Whats up with Perris and skydivingmovies.com?

[diablopilot 2]

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While I am not privy to the financial situation at Perris, I know that their overhead is many times that of a typical dropzone.

I'd suggest the opposite. Because of volume, their own maintenance facility, and a myriad other reasons, their cost per slot is probably lower than most single A/C DZ's.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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While I am not privy to the financial situation at Perris, I know that their overhead is many times that of a typical dropzone.

I'd suggest the opposite. Because of volume, their own maintenance facility, and a myriad other reasons, their cost per slot is probably lower than most single A/C DZ's.

cost per slot is not a constant. If the FAA shuts down the air for a week, they have no slots. Same for bad weather, if it ever rains in LA again. (seems just yesterday that the roads around Elsinore were being washed away by heavy rains) Or an effective boycott.

Perris definitely has substantially higher fixed costs from the number of planes, any debt financing on the tunnel, and since they own the airport (land) they must have real estate taxes as well. How long ago did they acquire the property?

[dharma1976 0]

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There are those that believe that the ends justify the means. If I told them that some DZ was funded by terrorism or drug smuggling (not that THATS ever happened
But not everybody is like that.

I would totally spend more time there...but then again I am a raunch hand

Dave

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[peggs82 0]

You know, I think you all may have it wrong here...

Perhaps Perris just had one really big blow out night of debauchery, and skydiving movies was just telling them how it feels!!



right?...anyone??

[shermanator 3]

unfortunately, i think another reason dzos would accept skyride is because of the jumpers. .. we are always saying how we need more jumpers, more jumpers. though skyride uses decietful tacticts to get them, once at the dropzone, the dropzone staff can show them their prices, and possibly get them on track to an A. afterall, that is what it is about, right? getting more jumpers, and keeping the ones we have!


Do we really want potential skydivers to walk away extremely bitter because they just got screwed in the %#$ and can't use their certificate anywhere.. how is that going to get them excited about the sport?

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[lippy 779]

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Do we really want potential skydivers to walk away extremely bitter because they just got screwed in the %#$ and can't use their certificate anywhere.. how is that going to get them excited about the sport?

That's a good point, but if it weren't for Skyride being a bunch of turds in the first place the prospective student wouldn't be put in that situation.

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[Thanatos340 1]

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we are always saying how we need more jumpers, more jumpers. though skyride uses decietful tacticts to get them, once at the dropzone, the dropzone staff can show them their prices, and possibly get them on track to an A. afterall, that is what it is about, right?

We are back to "Does the end justify the means?".

Also if Skyride didn’t have over 900 Websites for DZs that do not exist, When the Customer went looking for somewhere to make their first Jump they would have FOUND a real Dropzone.

They are NOT bringing people to the sport that would not have found a DZ anyway.

But they are costing us Jumpers because of their deceitful tactics. Almost all the Skyride Victims were LOOKING for a dropzone, They found a Skyride site and called them (Usually thinking they were calling a Local Dropzone). If Skyride didn’t have all those sites for Fake Dropzones, They would have found the real dropzones instead.

[DougH 270]

Exactly, they aren't doing any direct marketing for the sport. They are just stealing possible customers and often giving them a terrible first experince with our industry.

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[hackish 8]

If there were no customers lined up for Skyride to screw then they wouldn't be doing what they do would they? What if there were 0 dropzones who accepted Skyride? Unfortunately every dropzone who does accept their coupons contributes to them continuing to do what they do.

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[BGill 0]

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If there were no customers lined up for Skyride to screw then they wouldn't be doing what they do would they? What if there were 0 dropzones who accepted Skyride? Unfortunately every dropzone who does accept their coupons contributes to them continuing to do what they do.

-Michael

Exactly, and that brings us back to the topic of this thread. If big dropzones were to step up the the plate and say "Since I have the numbers, I am making a stance against Skyride by not accepting their certificates. As one of the big-shots, I (should) have the responsibility of standing up for the sport as a whole."

[VectorBoy 0]

Just curious, Does anybody know the "cut" that skyride charges % wise? Or are their prices already inflated for to account for the coupon above what they have to reimburse the DZ for the services?

[squirrel 0]

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If there were no customers lined up for Skyride to screw then they wouldn't be doing what they do would they? What if there were 0 dropzones who accepted Skyride? Unfortunately every dropzone who does accept their coupons contributes to them continuing to do what they do.

-Michael

Exactly, and that brings us back to the topic of this thread. If big dropzones were to step up the the plate and say "Since I have the numbers, I am making a stance against Skyride by not accepting their certificates. As one of the big-shots, I (should) have the responsibility of standing up for the sport as a whole."

I wonder how many tandems that the large DZs do with skyride's vouchers...anyone have that info?

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[CSpenceFLY 1]

My understanding is that it is a negotiation process for the DZ. Some DZs get paid more than others.

[pilotdave 0]

If I remember correctly, they offered our DZ something like $170 per tandem (normal price of $215). I don't know what their customers would have actually paid, but I'd guess it's a tad more than the $165 they advertise.

Dave

[wildfan75 1]

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... but I'd guess it's a tad more than the $165 they advertise.

Dave

$165 is their summer price. The websites should be updated to say $175, and then with the "port and dock fees" (I guess you take a boat to altitude at Skyride dzs), its about $215 (give or take a dollar or two). Or at least that's what I was told when I called. So the prices they quote on their website is just for the jump and doesn't include taxes, fees, insurance, anal bandaids, etc.

[lauraliscious 0]

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So the prices they quote on their website is just for the jump and doesn't include taxes, fees, insurance, anal bandaids, etc.

Or a pilot chute.

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[CSpenceFLY 1]

Weather insurance, pilotchute fee, packing fee, full altitude fee, big plane fee, and the list goes on and on. I kow some of you thing we are maling this shit up but we're not.

[pilotdave 0]

The nice thing about a (reputable) reservation company would be that the DZ only pays a fee (in lost profit) when the student actually jumps. If they didn't have to do any other advertising to bring in tandem business, it might be a good deal.

But if a DZ is willing to give up $40 per tandem to retrieve back all the business that was stolen away from them, imagine how much more effectively they could spend that money through advertising. How many paid ads could you serve up on google if you were willing to shell out $40 in advertising for every person that booked a jump?

Dave

[Andy_Copland 0]

Pilotchute fee?! I heard of the other bullshit fees but that is just amazing.

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[moto89 0]

One of their false websites is verbatim our club's name.com, so I called them yesterday and they claimed to BE our local club. That's just plain shady...

Less talking, more flying.

[DougH 270]

Has the FTC ever taken any action regarding all the fake websites?

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[LisaM 0]

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I suggest skydivers stick to the community concerns and leave the business concerns to those who have invested millions in their facilities.

What about those of us little guys who invest time and effort into a website to have it blatantly stolen by this company?

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[Andy9o8 0]

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Do we really want potential skydivers to walk away extremely bitter because they just got screwed in the %#$ and can't use their certificate anywhere.. how is that going to get them excited about the sport?

That's a good point, ....

No, it's a terrible point. If you accept the certificates you're being an enabler. Worse than that, in fact - you become an active participant. And you become a whore.

This really is a no-brainer.

[shermanator 3]

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This really is a no-brainer.

[BMFin 0]

Still havent had time to go through the older thread about skyride (so forgive me if this was already covered in the old thread), but isnt there anykind of public authority in the states whos duty is to protect the consumer ?

Just inform the proper authority about their business and they will take it from there.. ?