kallend 1,853 #326 September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, headoverheels said: This route to statutes and amendments is only available in about half of the states. https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum The other route is to vote out the asshole legislators who supported the bans. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,304 #327 September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, ryoder said: Indeed. After banging the drum of anti-abortion for decades, just to gain the support of the American Taliban, they suddenly find themselves in the awkward position of the dog that caught the car. Hi Robert, I was just thinking that the other day. I wonder what they will come up with now. And, the Dobbs decision just might be a Pandora's Box that they will wish that they had never opened. Jerry Baumchen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,481 #328 September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, ryoder said: Indeed. After banging the drum of anti-abortion for decades, just to gain the support of the American Taliban, they suddenly find themselves in the awkward position of the dog that caught the car. Lots of folks have been using that metaphor for this. Every time I read it, I'm reminded of the old Cheech & Chong 'Ralph & Herbie' routine with 2 dogs having a conversation on the sidewalk. "Lets chase cars and get off on the exhaust." "Oh no sir boy, that stuff can give you brain damage." "Brain damage from car exhaust?" No man, brain damage from getting your head run over by the car's rear wheels." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,114 #329 September 11, 2022 4 hours ago, headoverheels said: This route to statutes and amendments is only available in about half of the states. https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum In the other half the people will just have to elect politicians who they can agree with I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #330 September 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, gowlerk said: In the other half the people will just have to elect politicians who they can agree with I guess. I'm OK with electing politicians who I sometimes agree with, and whose intellectual honesty I can respect. Wendy P. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,572 #331 September 11, 2022 4 hours ago, headoverheels said: This route to statutes and amendments is only available in about half of the states. https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum Interesting thing here in CO; Recreational marijuana was legalized as a result of Amendment 64 in November 2012. The governor at the time (Hickenlooper) actually opposed it, but when it passed he took the pragmatic attitude: "The people have spoken". Then he set about implementing it. Had it gone through the usual path of a bill initiated in the legislature, I don't thnk he would have signed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,304 #332 September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, gowlerk said: In the other half the people will just have to elect politicians who they can agree with I guess. Hi Ken, They can only do this if the GOP meddling with the election process allows them to do so. One thing we know for damn sure, the GOP does not want to let people vote in free & honest elections. Jerry Baumchen 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,481 #333 September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Ken, They can only do this if the GOP meddling with the election process allows them to do so. One thing we know for damn sure, the GOP does not want to let people vote in free & honest elections. Jerry Baumchen They know full well they can't win a free & fair election. They've admitted it more than once. One report (lots more can be found with a search):https://www.wgbh.org/news/national-news/2021/03/04/republicans-cant-get-elected-unless-they-suppress-votes-says-former-suffolk-county-sheriff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,572 #334 September 13, 2022 Lindsey Graham and GOP set to try to push through national abortion ban So much for that old excuse that this was about state's rights, eh Lindsey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #335 September 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, ryoder said: Lindsey Graham and GOP set to try to push through national abortion ban So much for that old excuse that this was about state's rights, eh Lindsey? Yeppers, it's called the “Protecting pain-capable unborn children from late-term abortions act”, because science? And BIGUN has the big brass balls to say democrats are fuck-ups (by any measure we are, obviously, but also obviously we don't have a corner on the market). WTF do those asshats think, that women love being trod on and nothing will ever motivate them to vote in sufficient numbers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #336 September 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Yeppers, it's called the “Protecting pain-capable unborn children from late-term abortions act”, because science? Science? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 613 #337 September 13, 2022 On 8/5/2022 at 8:11 PM, ryoder said: Well, the guy has a point! Wise words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,572 #338 September 13, 2022 Anyone else think that maybe Lindsey Graham is the wrong person to be putting legislation forward that will never affect him nor his partner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #339 September 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, ryoder said: Anyone else think that maybe Lindsey Graham is the wrong person to be putting legislation forward that will never affect him nor his partner? Since when has that bothered busybodies? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #340 September 13, 2022 2 hours ago, ryoder said: Anyone else think that maybe Lindsey Graham is the wrong person to be putting legislation forward that will never affect him nor his partner? Not me! I'm thinking he is perfect for the job. He thinks he's brilliant but is actually dumb as rocks. I just hope his master doesn't jerk his chain before he alienates and motivates previously unmotivated female voters. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #341 September 18, 2022 Just to be clear, the GOP doesn't want a nation wide abortion ban like Graham proposes. The GOP just wants it banned in 50 states. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,114 #342 September 20, 2022 The America Taliban branch of the GOP is coming out and showing it's true colours now that it feels all powerful and emboldened. A new meaning to the chant "lock her up, lock her up, lock her up". https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/20/politics/abortion-bans-murder-charges-invs/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #343 September 21, 2022 7 hours ago, gowlerk said: The America Taliban branch of the GOP is coming out and showing it's true colours now that it feels all powerful and emboldened. A new meaning to the chant "lock her up, lock her up, lock her up". https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/20/politics/abortion-bans-murder-charges-invs/index.html https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/abortion-laws-pre-roe/671409/ Up until now they only wanted to go after the doctors. I shouldn’t be surprised they stepped it up. Apparently when many of the trigger laws that recently went into effect were passed, both pregnant women and doctors were trusted more than they are today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,572 #344 September 22, 2022 NYT: Judge Temporarily Suspends Indiana Abortion Ban In her ruling on Thursday, Judge Hanlon wrote that the Indiana Constitution includes a right to liberty and bodily autonomy, which reasonably includes decisions about family planning and “whether to carry a pregnancy to term.” The ban just took effect a week ago. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 613 #345 September 22, 2022 On 9/20/2022 at 12:00 PM, gowlerk said: The America Taliban branch of the GOP is coming out and showing it's true colours now that it feels all powerful and emboldened. A new meaning to the chant "lock her up, lock her up, lock her up". https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/20/politics/abortion-bans-murder-charges-invs/index.html I will take male anti-abortionists seriously when they post a $300.000 every time they prevent an abortion. Recent surveys show that it costs roughly $300,000 to raise a North American child until they are old enough to support themselves (18 ish years old). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 613 #346 October 31, 2022 "Call Jane" is a Hollywood film that debuted at a film festival during January 2022, but it only hit local cinemas this week (last week of October 2022). It is a fictionalized version (names were changed to protect the law-breakers) of the story about how a group of Chicago women who organized illegal abortions during the late 1960s, before Roe versus Wade legalized abortions in the USA. I first heard about the film when the two leading ladies: Sigourney Weaver and Elizabeth Banks were interviewed on a TV talk show. The two actors really seemed to have the courage of their convictions. They strongly seemed to believe that their characters did the right thing. On a personal note, this reminds me of all the times that Dr. Henry Morgantaler got dragged into Canadian courts during the 1960s and 1970s. Dr. Morgentaler started the first birth-control clinic in 1969, in Montreal where he prescribed birth control pills, vasectomies and performed abortions, long before they were legal in Canada. Funny how a film about abortions only debuted two weeks before an American mid-term election. ????? Next question: will the film "Call Jane" affect the mid-term elections in the USA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #347 October 31, 2022 On 9/20/2022 at 12:00 PM, gowlerk said: The America Taliban branch of the GOP is coming out and showing it's true colours now that it feels all powerful and emboldened. A new meaning to the chant "lock her up, lock her up, lock her up". https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/20/politics/abortion-bans-murder-charges-invs/index.html Yep. They are now saying it out loud: no one has a right to say no to Christianity. Who could have seen that coming? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #348 October 31, 2022 Eventually everything American gets exported to the UK, and because Sunak was appointed by Tory MPs instead of the whole country he's had to do a series of dirty deals with the far right of his party in exchange for their support. So now we have an MP who voted to keep abortion illegal in NI, wants protestors to be able to march up to the doors of abortion clinics, wants the time limit on abortions in the UK to be drastically cut and doesn't want women to get any post abortion care... being appointed Minister for Women. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,099 #349 October 31, 2022 3 hours ago, jakee said: Eventually everything American gets exported to the UK, and because Sunak was appointed by Tory MPs instead of the whole country he's had to do a series of dirty deals with the far right of his party in exchange for their support. So now we have an MP who voted to keep abortion illegal in NI, wants protestors to be able to march up to the doors of abortion clinics, wants the time limit on abortions in the UK to be drastically cut and doesn't want women to get any post abortion care... being appointed Minister for Women. Oh good. I was starting to worry that the UK would stop providing black humor for its former colonies. For some in the colonies a sense of superiority is enabled by such pandering to the MUKGA (Make UK Great Again) crowd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #350 October 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Oh good. I was starting to worry that the UK would stop providing black humor for its former colonies. For some in the colonies a sense of superiority is enabled by such pandering to the MUKGA (Make UK Great Again) crowd. MEGA seems better. Screw the Scots, Welsh, NIrish. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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