Disney's betrayal of the right

[ryoder 1,390]

19 minutes ago, metalslug said:

It is said that Will Smith now fears being 'cancelled' as several pending movie deals are now suspended or cancelled. The individuals making those contract decisions did not put out a national poll on the matter before deciding that. They subjectively determined that he was just not good business right now and unilaterally decided, as is their right. It's entirely possible for a handful of people to scuttle someone's career, whether deserved or not.

There is a lesson to be learned here:

Don't be slapping the Academy Awards host in front of hundreds of witnesses, when you forgot to bring your neuralyzer.

[wmw999 2,126]

19 minutes ago, ryoder said:

It's entirely possible for a handful of people to scuttle someone's career, whether deserved or not.

Ask any woman or minority who was too aggressive, “ethnic,” or whatever that didn’t fit into the office culture. It can happen to men in jobs like social work, too.

Wendy P. 

[gowlerk 1,915]

39 minutes ago, ryoder said:

There is a lesson to be learned here:

Don't be slapping the Academy Awards host in front of hundreds of witnesses, when you forgot to bring your neuralyzer.

I looked like 'roid rage to me. Maybe he was bulking up for a role.

[JoeWeber 2,315]

2 hours ago, metalslug said:

Fair enough. 

Seems there's a few differing opinions on what constitutes 'cancel culture'. I concede I may be on the wrong side of what constitutes the more popular definition then.

It is said that Will Smith now fears being 'cancelled' as several pending movie deals are now suspended or cancelled. The individuals making those contract decisions did not put out a national poll on the matter before deciding that. They subjectively determined that he was just not good business right now and unilaterally decided, as is their right. It's entirely possible for a handful of people to scuttle someone's career, whether deserved or not.

Too bad you couldn't have stopped without the Will Smith nonsense and left the field with some credibility.

[jakee 1,257]

7 hours ago, metalslug said:

It is said that Will Smith now fears being 'cancelled' as several pending movie deals are now suspended or cancelled. The individuals making those contract decisions did not put out a national poll on the matter before deciding that. They subjectively determined that he was just not good business right now and unilaterally decided, as is their right. It's entirely possible for a handful of people to scuttle someone's career, whether deserved or not.

If I punch a colleague (or anyone really) at a work event I will get fired immediately. No ifs, no buts, no mere 'fears' of consequences. Would you then stand up for me and complain to my former employer that I'd been unfairly cancelled? Give me a fucking break.

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The individuals making those contract decisions did not put out a national poll on the matter before deciding that.

So 'cancel culture' is decisions made by employers in the absense of wider social pressure? 

[wmw999 2,126]

Well, remember that in the Republican political pantheon, punching someone is perfectly OK, as long as it’s a reporter.

Wendy P. 

[metalslug 31]

8 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Too bad you couldn't have stopped without the Will Smith nonsense and left the field with some credibility.

After your history in this forum? I can afford to be wrong here. You'd like the 'win' on this one? Take it; bill is dead right. I concede that the mainstream understanding of cancel culture includes boycott action. I'm disappointed that it does but I'm unable to deny it. 'The right' is trying to 'cancel' Disney.

3 hours ago, jakee said:

So 'cancel culture' is decisions made by employers in the absense of wider social pressure? 

Or in the presence of social pressure. The decision still falls to individuals in those cases.

14 hours ago, jakee said:

Exactly - and here you get the problem with all the complaints about so-called cancel culture.

This is where I find myself now, feeling that cancel culture is neither good or bad. It's a synonym for common and predictable market phenomena and therefore quite uninteresting.

[jakee 1,257]

11 minutes ago, metalslug said:

Or in the presence of social pressure. The decision still falls to individuals in those cases.

So again, cancel culture is decisions made by employers either with or without regard to social pressure? What exactly is the alternative?

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This is where I find myself now, feeling that cancel culture is neither good or bad. It's a synonym for common and predictable market phenomena and therefore quite uninteresting.

And yet you've seemed to feel quite strongly about it in the past. It's good that you were open to recognising your error - kudos for that - but why do you think you allowed yourself to be mislead in the first place? Do you think some of the same factors might be involved in your acceptance of the heavily related right wing hysteria over wokeness, for example?

[billvon 2,405]

5 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Well, remember that in the Republican political pantheon, punching someone is perfectly OK, as long as it’s a reporter.

And if you are trying to kidnap or kill democratic politicians, that's even better!  In fact, it's "legitimate political discourse" according to republicans.

[SkyDekker 1,129]

15 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I looked like 'roid rage to me. Maybe he was bulking up for a role.

Probably isn't talked about much, but it looks a lot more like a guy who is being abused by his narcists wife to me.

Not excusing Will Smith at all, he is responsible for his own actions. 

[SkyDekker 1,129]

Brent's favourite senator claims that since Disney opposes the so called "don't say gay" bill, they will now produce episodes of Mickey and Pluto fucking.....

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1516479742077280262?s=20&t=VYCvFm106fUGrmo-E8Rljg

[winsor 186]

8 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Brent's favourite senator claims that since Disney opposes the so called "don't say gay" bill, they will now produce episodes of Mickey and Pluto fucking.....

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1516479742077280262?s=20&t=VYCvFm106fUGrmo-E8Rljg

As I understand it, Donald Duck was banned in Italy some time back.

You have a character who:

Wears a sailor suit with no pants,

has a significant other with a group of youngsters in tow that look Just Like Him,

they call him "Uncle Donald,' and gave no indication of other parents

and somebody in charge of morals decided that it was not a proper role model.

Whatever.

The U.S. is one of the more hung up advanced societies around, though we don't behead people for infidelity or kill women for having been raped so we have that much going for us.

Cruz is one of those elected officials for whom I change the channel immediately if I am close to the remote when he comes on screen.  Having said that, I recently caught something he said in committee where it stuck me that he is not stupid, only despicable.

It would be nice to live some place where there was no audience for such dreck.  Unfortunately, diversity includes all kinds of seriously dreadful people, and I wish we wouldn't see that as a virtue.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[SkyDekker 1,129]

6 hours ago, winsor said:

As I understand it, Donald Duck was banned in Italy some time back.

You have a character who:

Wears a sailor suit with no pants,

has a significant other with a group of youngsters in tow that look Just Like Him,

they call him "Uncle Donald,' and gave no indication of other parents

and somebody in charge of morals decided that it was not a proper role model.

Absolutely nothing of that is true.

6 hours ago, winsor said:

The U.S. is one of the more hung up advanced societies around, though we don't behead people for infidelity or kill women for having been raped so we have that much going for us.

In 2003 Texas Republicans went to the Supreme Court to try and continue the practice of jailing gay people. In 2022 Texas Republicans are trying to get women who have an abortion, even after being raped, punished by death.

[wmw999 2,126]

26 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Absolutely nothing of that is true.

In 2003 Texas Republicans went to the Supreme Court to try and continue the practice of jailing gay people. In 2022 Texas Republicans are trying to get women who have an abortion, even after being raped, punished by death.

The first is true. The second went directly against state law and was quickly vacated. Much as I decry the new abortion law, accuracy is good. It specifically disallows punishing the woman seeking or having an abortion.

Wendy P. 

[SkyDekker 1,129]

6 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

The first is true. The second went directly against state law and was quickly vacated. Much as I decry the new abortion law, accuracy is good. It specifically disallows punishing the woman seeking or having an abortion.

Wendy P. 

Still playing:

https://www.newsweek.com/death-penalty-abortions-becomes-pivotal-issue-gop-runoff-texas-1692240

[riggerrob 558]

On 4/12/2022 at 3:08 PM, billvon said:

"As most people know, the right wing is trying to cancel Disney, ... ... "(40% of the US is non-white, ... " 

Which reminds me of the latest political silliness in Canada. Some critics complained that a recent political (federal Conservative Party) rally in Alberta contained too few visible minorities.

First off, Canada contains a much smaller percentage of "visible minorities" than the USA, so it is silly to try to hold any Canadian political rally to the same racial quotas as the USA.

Secondly, African-Americans are scarcer in Canada because slaver was never profitable.

Thirdly, Canadian law restricted immigration of non-whites until 1962, ergo we still have fewer visible minorities.

Fourthly, within a few generations of immigration, most immigrants inter-marry with other races, blurring racial distinctions. I cannot be bothered to waste brain cells to determine whether some-one is a half-breed, quadroon, octroon, etc.

Finally, since Alberta is far from the coast (traditional immigration entrances) the province has fewer visible minorities than coastal provinces. Granted, Alberta does include small numbers of African, Asian, Jewish, Muslem, South Asian, Polynesian, etc. but they are still a tiny percentage of the provincial population.

Bottom line, trying to hold Canadian politicians to American racial quotas is silly.

[riggerrob 558]

On 4/12/2022 at 3:08 PM, billvon said:

As most people know, the right wing is trying to cancel Disney, primarily because their new president, Karey Burke, supports minorities and gays, ... "

You may call me a boring old libertarian, Unitarian/Universalist, but I get embarrassed when right-wingers talk loudly about a third-party's sexuality.

What need-to-know do they have about some third-party's sexuality?

I don't believe that I have a need-to-know about some one else's sexual history until we agree to sexual intercourse. Even then, my need-to-know is limited to sexually-transmitted-diseases.

May I suggest that nosey right-wingers get their noses out of third-party's sexuality?

[wmw999 2,126]

5 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Still playing:

https://www.newsweek.com/death-penalty-abortions-becomes-pivotal-issue-gop-runoff-texas-1692240

Holy crap; missed that.

Wendy P. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,050]

5 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Still playing:

https://www.newsweek.com/death-penalty-abortions-becomes-pivotal-issue-gop-runoff-texas-1692240

Hi Sky,

Interesting that the to-be mother can be put to death, but the guy who got her preggers gets a pat on the back or a handshake, along with a, 'Well done, dude.'

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 2,405]

5 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Holy crap; missed that.

Wendy P. 

Y'know, at this point I think they should just do it.   Death penalty for abortions.  No Disney, Sesame Street or green M+M's allowed.  Ban all the books that aren't right wing propaganda.  Heck, burn them and televise it.  Outlaw COVID vaccines, masks, remdesivir and monoclonal antibodies, but make hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and urine therapy available.  Mandate school prayers and the Ten Commandments in courtrooms.  No power sources other than oil or coal - but be sure you keep the Texas grid isolated from that socialist national grid!  Make gay marriage illegal, or at least come up with some bizarre way to make it effectively illegal (like, say you can get married to avoid a Supreme Court challenge, but allow people to shoot married gay people if their life values are threatened.)  Redistrict so that minorities have no say whatsoever in government, and ban everything that helps them get out and vote.

I mean, of course keep the porn and drugs and whiskey and guns and all that, but ban everything else.

Let Texas become the odd hybrid of Putin-and-Jesusland that so many there want it to be.  Then just stand back and let it become the example of what happens when you let far-right conservatives get exactly what they want.

[billvon 2,405]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Interesting that the to-be mother can be put to death, but the guy who got her preggers gets a pat on the back or a handshake, along with a, 'Well done, dude.'

Heck, the guy who got her into that delicate state will probably win re-election.  "Yeah, maybe I did that and maybe I didn't; there's just no way to tell.  But I made sure she died for her sins.  Just like Jesus.  Thoughts and prayers for her family."

[Phil1111 913]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

Y'know, at this point I think they should just do it.  ... Then just stand back and let it become the example of what happens when you let far-right conservatives get exactly what they want.

Words have consequence. Why do you bait and encourage?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/81kMaPi_Hug

Does the US need more republicans?

[JerryBaumchen 1,050]

21 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Words have consequence. Why do you bait and encourage?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/81kMaPi_Hug

Does the US need more republicans?

Hi Phil,

IMO the US needs more Republicans of the type that were in the GOP when I joined back in the late '60's.  Those folks you could have a civil discussion with.  And, they got legislation passed that was acceptable to the majority of this country.

Hmmm, maybe I should join the current GOP and wish for 'the good old days.'

NOT!!!!!

Jerry Baumchen

[Phil1111 913]

32 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Phil,

IMO the US needs more Republicans of the type that were in the GOP when I joined back in the late '60's.  Those folks you could have a civil discussion with.  And, they got legislation passed that was acceptable to the majority of this country.

Hmmm, maybe I should join the current GOP and wish for 'the good old days.'

NOT!!!!!

Jerry Baumchen

I was thinking of trump with $100 million. DeSantis with another hundred million. Then all the others. All trying to mover further to the right.

[riggerrob 558]

Disney figured out that their customers include more than just traditional, nuclear families with a husband, wife and 2.5 children.

Nuclear families may have been the norm when I was born 64 years ago, but the world has changed a lot since then.

Disney is following the money.

Disney is far too wise to exclude single mothers. Which reminds me of a friend who is a single mother to two children. She was widowed after her husband fell from a ladder.

Would it be wise for Disney to exclude her family? ... because they are no longer a traditional nuclear family?

Would it be polite for Disney to exclude her non-nuclear family?