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Holy Motherhucking Shitake (Luke Aikens no parachute project)

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JerryBaumchen

H jf951,

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you seem pretty intent on bragging about knowing something we dont know Jerry.



I truly would hope that no one would ever consider me to be a braggart. John Mitchell said that it was a 'normal skydiving rig.' Kelly F and I share a fair amount of info on some gear ideas/subjects. One of the mods falls under this category.

Since Kelly built the rig & did the mods, I feel it is not my place to announce what he did. He can & does speak for himself on here quite often.

Jerry Baumchen



Anyone that knows you, knows you were not bragging. You post things to inform others.

Thank you for doing so
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ryoder

So what is the reason for doing the jump at 25K?
Seems like doing it at half the altitude would have avoided the bother of O2, and made spotting simpler.



Luke beat the existing record by over 7 000 %. So, I quess he wanted to set a new record which more likely nobody will beat.

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Do we have some post-jump-statements by Luke in the mean time?

We have so many questions unanswered - we might need a skydiver AMA (ask me anything) B|

Maxx

This Aikins dude is legendary! What an achievement - congrats to everyone involved, planning and executing this!

My question:
As you can see, he was way off-center on one side. My (really uneducated) guess from the frame grabs is, that he was about 20-25ft away from the edge.
On the other side he had about 80-75ft of spare net.

On the other axis he was more or less center.

Because I didn't hear it in any of the post-jump interviews (btw: are there any at all, except the one with: "The words I want to say I can't even get out of my mouth"?): Is my impression that this was a really close call correct? Did he or the people around him make any statement regarding that?

I know, every landing you can walk away from is a good landing, but we are skydivers, we want to have more facts ;)

How did he feel? Any side effects from that massive decelaration? Whiplash, concussion anything? Is this repeatable for a normal person?

Felix (you can think about him what you want) was very honest talking about the stratos-jump and the fact he nearly fucked it up regarding the rotations he was getting into, his goggles malfunctioning, he had to pull higher, etc..

All my questions aside, this is a massive achievement for mankind! Thumbs up Luke!

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Squeak

***So what is the reason for doing the jump at 25K?
Seems like doing it at half the altitude would have avoided the bother of O2, and made spotting simpler.


Spectacle and Drama I watched it intently. was totally taken in by the the screen actor's guild is making him wear a rig OMG! drama and spectacle. but he missed the opportunity to hype the drama more. after he passed off the o2 bottle. he should have ditched the rig in freefall too. then the commentators could have had fun with the whole he doesn't care what s.a.g. says thing..:D
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******So what is the reason for doing the jump at 25K?
Seems like doing it at half the altitude would have avoided the bother of O2, and made spotting simpler.


Spectacle and Drama I watched it intently. was totally taken in by the the screen actor's guild is making him wear a rig OMG! drama and spectacle. but he missed the opportunity to hype the drama more. after he passed off the o2 bottle. he should have ditched the rig in freefall too. then the commentators could have had fun with the whole he doesn't care what s.a.g. says thing..:D

He could have pulled out a sign with the letters "SAG" and the birdie finger gesture drawn on it, in freefall too... :D

But I suspect he's not that kind of guy anyway.

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I was listening to Luke talk about the jump today, and the subject of the practice pulls came up. As I suspected, he said the practice pulls in freefall were a lark, meant as a joke to the skydiving savvy who were watching.

However, when he felt for the hackey before leaving the door, that was the real deal, and he was a little surprised when he couldn't find it! :ph34r:

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I think it is reasonable to think that the muscle memory was not from his 18,000 regular jumps, but from the practice jumps for the stunt. He did the real thing just like he practiced it, which likely included doing practice pulls. Just a thought.



I love what he achieved. But I gotta admit: the more I watch it, the more suspicious I get of those "handle" checks. Those are some very, very deliberate practice touches, at very interesting times in the jump. I only ever made several hundred skydives and I stopped doing practice touches very early on, and I never did it out of habit or "muscle memory".

But, yeah, maybe he was just replicating his every move from the practice jumps.

There's also a part of me that wonders if the highly suspicious last-minute SAG parachute demand being lifted was because the producers told SAG he had a hidden rig -- maybe a lie to just shut them up, and the practice touches were to help sell the BS. That would be funny as hell, now wouldn't it?

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321

maybe a lie to just shut them up, and the practice touches were to help sell the BS. That would be funny as hell, now wouldn't it?



It would, but: once he was out of the plane, there's not a lot the SAG could have done about him not wearing a rig anyway :P

The simplest explanation for everything we know at the moment (including his own statements and those of people who were there) is that he jumped without a rig. The practice touch was a joke, and even at the time I thought it was funny.

None of the conspiracy theorists have managed to come up with a real reason for why he might actually have worn one.
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councilman24

Your right, I don't know you and my comment was much more at Red Bull's PR program than at you. Its effective but I still don't like it. I'd say the same thing about any extreme sport stunt that Red Bull sponsors. They leave a bad taste in my mouth. Pun intended.


I must agree. I have huge respect for both Luke and the technology on display for the event. It's just that I have a problem with what I call junk-made-for-TV-sport of any kind. It simply does not convey to the public what we are about. That said, I'm certainly glad that the outcome was successful.
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Joellercoaster

***maybe a lie to just shut them up, and the practice touches were to help sell the BS. That would be funny as hell, now wouldn't it?



It would, but: once he was out of the plane, there's not a lot the SAG could have done about him not wearing a rig anyway :P

Except stop him working in TV/film ever ever again.
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None of the conspiracy theorists have managed to come up with a real reason for why he might actually have worn one.




If there had been a pattern of practice jumps / approaches to the net that were often fouled by sudden, unexpected changes in winds aloft, it might inspire a hidden rig.

But it's my understanding that wasn't the case, and the last 81 of 82 practice jumps he was dead center on the net. And as we know, jump 83 went very well!

I don't think he had a hidden rig. But would not blame him if he did. He is a father.

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I have huge respect for both Luke and the technology on display for the event. It's just that I have a problem with what I call junk-made-for-TV-sport of any kind. It simply does not convey to the public what we are about. That said, I'm certainly glad that the outcome was successful.



Yes, it's sad that the money for these otherwise very cool achievements often comes from corporate advertising/sponsorship. Once you strip that all away, and just look at the achievement, it seems worthwhile in the end. I had a friend on a few world record jumps that the King of Thailand paid for as his personal birthday present to himself. As the old Right Stuff saying goes "no bucks, no Buck Rogers' "

it's rare, and wonderful, when a record is set with no fanfare (like when Alan Eustace broke the altitude record very quietly).

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Last night I was thinking about what Michael Mullins posted about the need for a waiver.

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“Luke did not request any form of waiver for the actual chute less jump as no waiver from USPA was required. According to USPA definitions, and FAA definitions, this was not a "Skydive" or a "Parachute Jump" or a "Parachute Operation" nor was he a "Parachutist" or a "Skydiver" on this fall from an aircraft.”



Part 105.5

PARACHUTE JUMP means a parachute operation that involves the descent of one or more persons to the surface from an aircraft in flight when a parachute is used or intended to be used during all or part of that descent.

There was a PARACHUTE JUMP happening during Luke’s jump. There were at least three other jumpers wearing rigs with the intent of using them. Not sure what this means.....any thoughts?
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Hi 321,

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these otherwise very cool achievements



Based upon discussions about current 'things' with my non-jumping friends, this stunt is already on the ash heap of history. The general public gave it a day or so to talk about, watct the video, and they have moved on.

I wonder if the sponsors think that they got their money's worth.

Jerry Baumchen

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Another similar, but with parachute stunt that would be cool - to get out high and freefall through the opening of the sinkhole "cave of swallows" in the Mexican jungle. 200 ft wide opening, over 1200 ft deep.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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mjosparky

***Another similar, but with parachute stunt that would be cool - to get out high and freefall through the opening of the sinkhole "cave of swallows" in the Mexican jungle. 200 ft wide opening, over 1200 ft deep.



Already been done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbhZUEY7cNY

I do remember that, but was thinking of it being done from a much higher altitude.
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sundevil777

******Another similar, but with parachute stunt that would be cool - to get out high and freefall through the opening of the sinkhole "cave of swallows" in the Mexican jungle. 200 ft wide opening, over 1200 ft deep.



Already been done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbhZUEY7cNY

I do remember that, but was thinking of it being done from a much higher altitude.

Can I watch?:)
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321

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I wonder if the sponsors think that they got their money's worth.



Yah, I have my doubts about that. But whoever built that giant net might get a bump in sales.



Especially after they paint a giant bullseye on it, and hold the first accuracy meet.;)
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JerryBaumchen

Hi Robert,

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hold the first accuracy meet



I can just see it now; from 25k ft and you do not have to worry about any reserve being in/out of date.

:P

Jerry Baumchen



The net will also come in handy at the Cat Chasing Championships, to save the uncaught cats for reuse.;)
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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mjosparky

Last night I was thinking about what Michael Mullins posted about the need for a waiver.

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“Luke did not request any form of waiver for the actual chute less jump as no waiver from USPA was required. According to USPA definitions, and FAA definitions, this was not a "Skydive" or a "Parachute Jump" or a "Parachute Operation" nor was he a "Parachutist" or a "Skydiver" on this fall from an aircraft.”



Part 105.5

PARACHUTE JUMP means a parachute operation that involves the descent of one or more persons to the surface from an aircraft in flight when a parachute is used or intended to be used during all or part of that descent.

There was a PARACHUTE JUMP happening during Luke’s jump. There were at least three other jumpers wearing rigs with the intent of using them. Not sure what this means.....any thoughts?



Means nothing. The other 3 were making a perfectly legal skydive.

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