Phil1111 911 #1 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Coming soon to a state near you. The economy trumps coronavirus.Donald trump, FOX news and the republican party will soon start to start discussion that some dead Americans is ok as long as the economy is restarted. FOX news will soon begin to shape the discussion. “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF,” Mr. Trump tweeted in all capital letters shortly before midnight. “AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!” 'Dr. Anthony Fauci, an infectious diseases expert and a member of the White House coronavirus task force, has said in interviews that he believed that it would take several more weeks until people can start going about their lives in a more normal fashion. Other infectious disease experts suggest even harsher measures than social distancing are required to truly beat back the outbreaks in the United States." Yet experts all agree that in order to end the spread in the US " Americans must be persuaded to stay home, they said, and a system put in place to isolate the infected and care for them outside the home. Travel restrictions should be extended, they said; productions of masks and ventilators must be accelerated, and testing problems must be resolved. " Coming in the next two weeks or so at 6 P.M., only on FOX news. "Its time for America to go back to work".Steve Hilton: Flatten the coronavirus curve, but not the economy, before it's too late "The Dems want to take the whole year off work". Ooops Its started already! Edited March 23, 2020 by Phil1111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #2 March 23, 2020 I am somewhat amused to hear people talking about going back to normal to ease the economic pain. Obviously those people don’t have family working in healthcare. They also don’t seem to grasp what the panic that will go through the population if this thing is just allowed to run rampant will do to the economy. Just biting the bullet and getting it over with is not a realistic strategy for limiting the damage. The damage will be worse in the end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #3 March 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, gowlerk said: I am somewhat amused to hear people talking about going back to normal to ease the economic pain. Obviously those people don’t have family working in healthcare. They also don’t seem to grasp what the panic that will go through the population if this thing is just allowed to run rampant will do to the economy. Just biting the bullet and getting it over with is not a realistic strategy for limiting the damage. The damage will be worse in the end. I am amused by the comments here - Trump eases restriction - He's Evil!!! Trump Tightens Restrictions - He's Evil!!!! Trump does Nothing - He's EVIL!!! Trump has a roll of toilet paper - He's Evil!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #4 March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, turtlespeed said: I am amused by the comments here - Trump eases restriction - He's Evil!!! Trump Tightens Restrictions - He's Evil!!!! Trump does Nothing - He's EVIL!!! Trump has a roll of toilet paper - He's Evil!!! Your fascination with a reaction to trump is noted. It shouldn’t take coronavirus to see that Trump is evil. Evil is evil does, and he has done a lifetime of evil. But I’m not sure why you hijacked his post in order to talk about Trump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #5 March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I am amused by the comments here - Trump eases restriction - He's Evil!!! Trump Tightens Restrictions - He's Evil!!!! Trump does Nothing - He's EVIL!!! Trump has a roll of toilet paper - He's Evil!!! Your defense of Trump is touching. (Now quick! Claim "but I don't support him!") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #6 March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, billvon said: Your defense of Trump is touching. (Now quick! Claim "but I don't support him!") Its not Trump - in particular. Its anyone getting railroaded for reasons of bias only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #7 March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil1111 said: “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF,” Mr. Trump tweeted in all capital letters shortly before midnight. “AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!” First of all - the "15 day period" is nothing more than a period of suggestions to work from home and avoid large groups, which most people (in states without mandatory requirements) are ignoring. So it's not even close to a "cure." Secondly, we are just hitting the steep part of the curve. Isolation should have started weeks ago. Keeping people inside for two weeks, then releasing them during the time of most rapid increase in cases, is nuts. If the goal is to reduce the death toll, then shut down businesses until the new-infection rate starts to decline. Then reopen, preferably with people who have had it already (which confers some immunity.) Then when it starts to increase again - shut down again for anyone who has not had it. Keep doing this until the total infections hit about 50%, at which case any new infections will find it harder to spread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #8 March 23, 2020 Gotta keep those campaign contributions coming in from the 1%. Dead store workers, nurses, paramedics - just collateral damage. They don't contribute much anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #9 March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I am amused by the comments here - Trump eases restriction - He's Evil!!! Trump Tightens Restrictions - He's Evil!!!! Trump does Nothing - He's EVIL!!! Trump has a roll of toilet paper - He's Evil!!! You'd think we'd stop going to Trump to solve every problem... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #10 March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, DJL said: You'd think we'd stop going to Trump to solve every problem... Wouldn't that be novel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 911 #11 March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, DJL said: You'd think we'd stop going to trump to solve any problems... 51 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Wouldn't that be novel? Agree " “In one week we need to be heading back to work, school, stores, restaurants and churches with new protocols in place,” Fox News host Laura Ingraham tweeted. “The risk if we don’t is that we lose far more in terms of death, pain and suffering than this pandemic will bring.” Larry Kudlow, the White House’s top economic adviser, .. “We can’t shut in the economy,” he said on Fox News. “The economic cost to individuals is just too great.” "Sources close to the Trump administration described ... “I think there’s a recognition that there needs to be some sort of medium between listening to the doctors and listening to other experts as well,” The experts being economists which will advise trump about the cost of body bags for elderly people. As compared to eradicating the virus like every other country in the world is doing. Meanwhile Canadians and Mexicans are celebrating that the respective borders have been closed. For elderly Americans fleeing the upcoming trumpdemic. Coronavirus: Closing Canada’s border to refugees violates international law, experts say Just go for it. Better to be a refugee with free health care. Than be buried just to help a president lose reelection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 911 #12 March 24, 2020 Trump says he wants the country 'opened up and just raring to go by Easter,' despite health experts' warnings Which would be 19 days from today. "Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaking at a congressional hearing on Thursday, said predictions based on models should be treated with caution. “All models are as good as the assumptions that you put into the model,” ... What will determine the ultimate number, he said, “will be how you respond to it with containment and mitigation.” Nineteen days preceded by a hodgepodge mishmash of containment measures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,122 #13 March 24, 2020 (edited) Someone told him that the economy had to be back by Easter or he wouldn’t be re elected. So there’s no loss to him — he does it and it works, great. He doesn’t do it, no recovery, he’s not re elected. He does it and it doesn’t work, he’s not re elected, so no difference, because he doesn’t see the general loss as being less significant than his re election. It’s the same thought process as the lottery’s “you can’t win if you don’t play” Wendy P. Edited March 24, 2020 by wmw999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #14 March 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, wmw999 said: Someone told him that the economy had to be back by Easter or he wouldn’t be re elected. So there’s no loss to him — he does it and it works, great. He doesn’t do it, no recovery, he’s not re elected. He does it and it doesn’t work, he’s not re elected, so no difference, because he doesn’t see the general loss as being less significant than his re election. It’s the same thought process as the lottery’s “you can’t win if you don’t play” Wendy P. I think it is more that somebody told him that his properties are now closed and he needs to get people out and about so they can open and make money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 911 #15 March 25, 2020 States reject Trump calls to reopen economy by Easter "Democratic and Republican governors, as well as local officials, are pushing back against President Trump's signals that he wants to restart the economy by Easter, warning that ending strict social distancing practices could put millions of lives at risk. " In the next days trump's new hire economists will weigh in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #16 March 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Phil1111 said: States reject Trump calls to reopen economy by Easter "Democratic and Republican governors, as well as local officials, are pushing back against President Trump's signals that he wants to restart the economy by Easter, warning that ending strict social distancing practices could put millions of lives at risk. " In the next days trump's new hire economists will weigh in. The whole thing about Easter is a Pipe Dream and a "Wish", designed to give the people some hope. A goal - but an unreachable goal, at best . . . a white lie at worst. I'm pretty sure he knows that, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #17 March 26, 2020 35 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: The whole thing about Easter is a Pipe Dream and a "Wish", designed to give the people some hope. A goal - but an unreachable goal, at best . . . a white lie at worst. I'm pretty sure he knows that, too. Pretty sure he doesn't think that far ahead, and the #1 thing foremost in his mind, whenever he is speaking, is "what will this do to my ratings?" Plenty of examples of both in the past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #18 March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Phil1111 said: States reject Trump calls to reopen economy by Easter "Democratic and Republican governors, as well as local officials, are pushing back against President Trump's signals that he wants to restart the economy by Easter, warning that ending strict social distancing practices could put millions of lives at risk. " In the next days trump's new hire economists will weigh in. Thanks to federalism, Trump really doesn't have a say in what states do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #19 March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Phil1111 said: States reject Trump calls to reopen economy by Easter "Democratic and Republican governors, as well as local officials, are pushing back against President Trump's signals that he wants to restart the economy by Easter, warning that ending strict social distancing practices could put millions of lives at risk. " In the next days trump's new hire economists will weigh in. Look for hilarious tweets from Trump tomorrow. NO ONE DEFIES ME!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #20 March 26, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: The whole thing about Easter is a Pipe Dream and a "Wish", designed to give the people some hope. A goal - but an unreachable goal, at best . . . a white lie at worst. I'm pretty sure he knows that, too. Other than a small band of truly ignorant people, no-one gives any credibility to anything he says. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #21 March 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, kallend said: Other than a small band of truly ignorant people, no-one gives any credibility to anything he says. Seems like a small band of truly gullible people keep trying to defend him and justify the garbage he's spewing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #22 March 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: Seems like a small band of truly gullible people keep trying to defend him and justify the garbage he's spewing. Hi Joe, In other words: A day like all days. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #23 March 26, 2020 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Thanks to federalism, Trump really doesn't have a say in what states do. Silly you, again. Follow the money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #24 March 26, 2020 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: Thanks to federalism, Trump really doesn't have a say in what states do. Exactly. That's why he can't just build a wall in California if the Californians don't want him to. Right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #25 March 26, 2020 2 hours ago, kallend said: Other than a small band of truly ignorant people, no-one gives any credibility to anything he says. That "small band" seems to be about a third of the American population. It's scary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites