gowlerk 1,912 #76 January 21, 2020 Canada's version of The Onion, The Beaverton, has a story on a problem with the swearing in of the jury. https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/01/bible-on-which-u-s-senators-swear-impartiality-for-trumps-impeachment-trial-bursts-into-flames/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #77 January 22, 2020 (edited) On 1/18/2020 at 5:58 PM, nigel99 said: On 1/18/2020 at 3:34 PM, normiss said: Or maybe believe less of the fake news reasons to hate her? It's not like she wasn't overly qualified to do the job. I don't understand the hatred for her. Maybe it is that a large number of American men are afraid of a powerful woman? Maybe they just aren’t ready to accept a female president? I wonder how much of the religious view is tied in with this that only a man must hold a position of power? Probably not much as you religious haters would like to think. For the most part, (especially in the rustbelt swing states that got Trump elected) the number of republican votes remained relatively constant. The difference was in the hundreds of thousands of democrats in each of those states that didn't come out to vote for Hillary like they did for Obama. You guys have only yourselves to blame - but as with everything, it's always the christian/conservative/republicans' fault. Democrats have effectively become the party of no personal responsibility, whatsoever. Edited January 22, 2020 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 307 #78 January 22, 2020 you can make that claim, but it seems to make more sense to say that more democrats voted republican in this one since they identified with trump and/or believed that he would make a difference as he was not a politician. that was the excuse i heard most; that they are all corrupt anyway, may as well give him a chance. i couldn't in good faith vote for either of them. deez nuts for the win. he would have done a better job too. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #79 January 25, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 1:16 AM, Coreece said: You guys have only yourselves to blame - but as with everything, it's always the christian/conservative/republicans' fault. Democrats have effectively become the party of no personal responsibility, whatsoever. Funny, given that the GOP has become the party of "not responsible for my sexual assault," "the buck always stops somewhere else" and "run up the debt to make me $$$ and let someone else deal with it later." Any moral compass they had has been completely lost. Dead kids in freezing cold cages, anyone? Not my responsibility! It was their fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #80 January 25, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 9:20 AM, sfzombie13 said: you can make that claim, but it seems to make more sense to say that more democrats voted republican in this one since they identified with trump and/or believed that he would make a difference as he was not a politician. that was the excuse i heard most; that they are all corrupt anyway, may as well give him a chance. i couldn't in good faith vote for either of them. deez nuts for the win. he would have done a better job too. Ok let's say we go with that - Nigel and Normiss are still questioning if the excuse is really just because of misogynistic religious men - and if they're right, then it's more likely due to misogynistic religious men that voted for Obama given the numbers from midwest states during the last 3 elections. I remember lefties here talking years ago about how Hillary's not very likable and how they didn't feel comfortable with having dynasties of the same families in office for decades. Then the dems didn't give her the nod in 2008 - apparently they were more comfortable with a black man over a woman - and then they failed to come out and support her in 2016. If there is any misogyny as NIgel and Normiss are suggesting, then it's more obvious to see that it's coming from the left than it is the right - just saying. 2 hours ago, billvon said: On 1/22/2020 at 4:16 AM, Coreece said: You guys have only yourselves to blame - but as with everything, it's always the christian/conservative/republicans' fault. Democrats have effectively become the party of no personal responsibility, whatsoever. Funny, given that the GOP has become the party of "not responsible for my sexual assault," "the buck always stops somewhere else" and "run up the debt to make me $$$ and let someone else deal with it later." Any moral compass they had has been completely lost. Dead kids in freezing cold cages, anyone? Not my responsibility! It was their fault. Nice whataboutism, but back to what we were talking about. Do you have anything to say about the hundreds of thousands of misogynistic democrats throughout the Midwest that cost Hillary the last election? Why didn't you vote for Hillary? Nigel and Normiss want to know if it's because you're a misogynistic Christian. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #81 January 25, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 9:16 AM, Coreece said: Probably not much as you religious haters would like to think. For the most part, (especially in the rustbelt swing states that got Trump elected) the number of republican votes remained relatively constant. The difference was in the hundreds of thousands of democrats in each of those states that didn't come out to vote for Hillary like they did for Obama. ??? Lots of democrats and swing voters are religious. Religious is not synonymous with republican. Quote You guys have only yourselves to blame - but as with everything, it's always the christian/conservative/republicans' fault. Democrats have effectively become the party of no personal responsibility, whatsoever. I know it's only 3 weeks into the year but you've definitely won the 2020 irony award. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #82 January 25, 2020 6 hours ago, jakee said: ??? Lots of democrats and swing voters are religious. Religious is not synonymous with republican. Nor is misogyny, apparently. But yeah I see your point and noted as much in my previous reply. 6 hours ago, jakee said: Quote You guys have only yourselves to blame - but as with everything, it's always the christian/conservative/republicans' fault. Democrats have effectively become the party of no personal responsibility, whatsoever. I know it's only 3 weeks into the year but you've definitely won the 2020 irony award. Yeah, I really did didn't I. My bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #83 January 25, 2020 10 hours ago, Coreece said: apparently they were more comfortable with a black man over a woman Hi Coreece, This where you show me that you have not a clue about the real world. I did NOT 'vote for a black man over a woman'; I voted for the better candidate. Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #84 January 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Coreece, This where you show me that you have not a clue about the real world. I did NOT 'vote for a black man over a woman'; I voted for the better candidate. Jerry Baumchen Funnily enough, I did too. Of all the candidates I chose the best one - Bernie Sanders. He would have done a better job than HRC! It would be proven, but instead we have what we have. I have no doubt whatsoever that we have what we have because of the DNC and their meddling. So , I suggest the DNC stop fucking around with elections and the candidates, and let what the american people decide what candidate we want instead of who they think will be best. After all - look at what their efforts cost us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #85 January 25, 2020 49 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: 10 hours ago, Coreece said: apparently they were more comfortable with a black man over a woman Hi Coreece, This where you show me that you have not a clue about the real world. I did NOT 'vote for a black man over a woman'; I voted for the better candidate. Well good for YOU Jerry! But if Nigel and Normiss want to question the possibility of misogyny being the reason for Hillary never becoming president, then I think the 2008 primaries are a good place to start. . . .and if you think that democrats are so blameless so as not to have a misogynistic bone in their body, then you really have no business calling others out for being clueless of the real world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #86 January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Coreece said: . . .and if you think that democrats are so blameless Hi Coreece, Once again you show your true colors. Where have I ever posted anything about D's being blameless? Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #87 January 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: 1 hour ago, Coreece said: . . .and if you think that democrats are so blameless so as not to have a misogynistic bone in their body, then you really have no business calling others out for being clueless of the real world. Hi Coreece, Once again you show your true colors. Where have I ever posted anything about D's being blameless? Jerry Baumchen Jerry, it's very simple. Either you think that misogyny could have or couldn't have played a role in Hillary losing the 2008 primary. Either way, you're out of line for accusing me of being clueless of the real world simply for suggesting that it did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #88 January 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Coreece said: Jerry, it's very simple. Either you think that misogyny could have or couldn't have played a role in Hillary losing the 2008 primary. Either way, you're out of line for accusing me of being clueless of the real world simply for suggesting that it did. It could have, sure. But as evidenced by the result of the following election, Obama was a brilliant candidate. Who could have beaten him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #89 January 25, 2020 45 minutes ago, jakee said: 1 hour ago, Coreece said: Jerry, it's very simple. Either you think that misogyny could have or couldn't have played a role in Hillary losing the 2008 primary. Either way, you're out of line for accusing me of being clueless of the real world simply for suggesting that it did. It could have, sure. But as evidenced by the result of the following election, Obama was a brilliant candidate. Who could have beaten him? McCain minus Palin perhaps? I know some democrats/left-leaners (some even in this forum IIRC) that talked about voting for him if it wasn't for her. Perhaps more misogyny? I guess we'll never know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yobnoc 142 #90 January 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Coreece said: McCain minus Palin perhaps? I know some democrats/left-leaners (some even in this forum IIRC) that talked about voting for him if it wasn't for her. Perhaps more misogyny? I guess we'll never know. No, the problem with Palin is that she was and is a fucking trainwreck of a human being. And reasonable, sensible people could see that. Katie Couric, the fucking nicest reporter in the biz, exposed the buffoon that she is just by asking her what news publications she reads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #91 January 26, 2020 20 hours ago, Coreece said: Nice whataboutism, but back to what we were talking about. Do you have anything to say about the hundreds of thousands of misogynistic democrats throughout the Midwest that cost Hillary the last election? Nope. Nor do I have anything to say about the hundreds of thousands of Christian right wingers who murdered US women last year. Do you? Quote Why didn't you vote for Hillary? Nigel and Normiss want to know if it's because you're a misogynistic Christian. Yes, and because I'm elitist and out of touch, and ignorant, and ivory tower something something, and . . . and . . what other insults of the day do you have in your arsenal? A socialist? Towelhead? Gay? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #92 January 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Coreece said: Well good for YOU Jerry! But if Nigel and Normiss want to question the possibility of misogyny being the reason for Hillary never becoming president, then I think the 2008 primaries are a good place to start. . . .and if you think that democrats are so blameless so as not to have a misogynistic bone in their body, then you really have no business calling others out for being clueless of the real world. You assume too much. Again. You couldn't be more wrong. Like always. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #93 January 26, 2020 8 hours ago, Coreece said: Jerry, it's very simple. Either you think that misogyny could have or couldn't have played a role in Hillary losing the 2008 primary. Either way, you're out of line for accusing me of being clueless of the real world simply for suggesting that it did. Beyond clueless. That's where you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #94 January 26, 2020 32 minutes ago, normiss said: You assume too much. Again. You couldn't be more wrong. Like always. Normiss, you know I respect your opinions but this is just too much. Of course he can be more wrong. Fortunately for you the new search feature sucks or you'd be paying the price now. And now, back to regular programming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #95 January 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, billvon said: Quote Why didn't you vote for Hillary? Nigel and Normiss want to know if it's because you're a misogynistic Christian. Yes, and because I'm elitist and out of touch, and ignorant, and ivory tower something something, and . . . and . . what other insults of the day do you have in your arsenal? A socialist? Towelhead? Gay? Not that I'd have expected you to noticed, but the only ones throwing insults here have been Jerry and Normiss. I mean, you guys seem angry - you can't even collect yourselves to offer a reasonable response like others in this thread. Edited January 26, 2020 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #96 January 26, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: 43 minutes ago, normiss said: You assume too much. Again. You couldn't be more wrong. Like always. Normiss, you know I respect your opinions but this is just too much. Of course he can be more wrong. Ya, and Normiss with his 140 character limit is never wrong! Edited January 26, 2020 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #97 January 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, Coreece said: Ya, and Normiss with his 140 character limit is never wrong! Hmmm... back to the books for me, I reckon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #98 January 26, 2020 50 minutes ago, Coreece said: Not that I'd have expected you to noticed, but the only ones throwing insults here have been Jerry and Normiss. " you religious haters" "they were more comfortable with a black man over a woman" "want to know if it's because you're a misogynistic Christian." Glass houses and all that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #99 January 26, 2020 Just now, billvon said: " you religious haters" Nigel and Normiss clearly hate religion. I sincerely doubt that they'd consider that an insult. 2 minutes ago, billvon said: "they were more comfortable with a black man over a woman" Well that's what we're talking about. Nigel and Normiss brought it up. It's certainly a possibility. What I found interesting tho is that Jerry took it so personally for whatever reason. 7 minutes ago, billvon said: "want to know if it's because you're a misogynistic Christian." Ya, that's basically what Nigel and Normiss were asking. Get a clue, dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 144 #100 January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, normiss said: You assume too much. Again. You couldn't be more wrong. Like always. It’s interesting to observe how people give away their prejudices. So black is worse than a woman... Many men world wide have a real problem with women in a position of power, politics or business women have it harder than men. I have no doubt that this is true across the entire political spectrum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
