Christianity and Political Correctness

[RonD1120 58]

I've been posting here about seven years. During that time I have been challenged for my faith and chastised for my disdain for political correctness.

The Bible instructs us to go into the world and make disciples. Most think we are to save souls. That is not correct. Salvation is the work of the Holy Spirit. We are just to present the gospel of Jesus Christ and disciple new believers.

The Bible also cautions us not to say or do anything to make another to stumble. Tonight during our Palm Sunday Communion, the Lord spoke to my heart and challenged me. Have I posted anything that made you stumble?

Here is my challenge to you. If you think you know what is right and proper for a Christian go and gather real evidence from proper authority.

Look over my posts since about 2009 and choose thirteen of my most egregious statements. I want you to copy and paste them in a document. Then I want you to present them to a local Pentecostal pastor. He can be Church of God, Assembly of God, Four Square or Pentecostal Holiness.

Then I want you to come back here and present to me your findings. Tell me what the pastor said.

ETA the graphic.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DanG 1]

If you really cared about what you say, you'd do your little homework assignment yourself.

- Dan G

[jakee 1,255]

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The Bible also cautions us not to say or do anything to make another to stumble.

What does that mean?

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If you think you know what is right and proper for a Christian

I'm only bothered about what's right and proper for a human, and I doubt a pentecostal preacher has much to offer on that account.

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Look over my posts since about 2009 and choose thirteen of my most egregious statements. I want you to copy and paste them in a document. Then I want you to present them to a local Pentecostal pastor. He can be Church of God, Assembly of God, Four Square or Pentecostal Holiness.

Then I want you to come back here and present to me your findings. Tell me what the pastor said.

Newsflash bro, you ain't that important.

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Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Stumpy 256]

RonD1120

Have I posted anything that made you stumble?

Don't worry, you rarely post anything even terribly relevant to modern society. (with the exception of some of your experiences with substance abuse that I find interesting)

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about 2009 and choose thirteen of my most egregious statements. I want you to copy and paste them in a document. Then I want you to present them to a local Pentecostal pastor. He can be Church of God, Assembly of God, Four Square or Pentecostal Holiness.

Ah - but just for shits and giggles, you are challenging whether you have done anything against YOUR very narrow definition of Christianity? I know some methodists, whats wrong with them?

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[gowlerk 1,914]

I have no doubt of your sincerity. I will not be participating for a couple of reasons. And I confess that laziness is among them. Also the fact that I do not know any of the pastors that you would like consulted.

I have known many people who claim to have come to the Lord in my lifetime. And I do not doubt any of them. Many are people that I admire. As there are parts of your story that I can also admire. But I can tell you that several of your posts in the relatively short time I've been here have turned me away from several aspects of your thinking.

Your interpretation of the Gospels as simply a guide to your path to the afterlife, and not as instructive to how to live is offensive to me. But it does not turn me away from the larger Christian community that I live among.

Although I do not believe, the story Christ is a powerful, beautiful epic. With many lessons for all of mankind. The Bible teaches many often conflicting visions of how to live life. Your sect is but one of the many. It is your choice to focus on the predicted end of times, and the return of Christ. This is not the sole, or even the central message of the Bible to me.

Rest assured from my position. You have said many things that drive me away from your belief system. But you have not driven me from the Lord. You have only turned me from your very narrow view of the message of the Lord. If I were to return to the fold that I left as a nine year old child it will not be because of you. And if I do not, as is likely, it will also not be because of you.

Obviously I speak only for myself. There is still a strong possibility that other people may have been driven away from Christ by your words. If you want to increase the flock, you need to embrace the unwashed, as Jesus himself did.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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HAHAHHAHAH.

Challenge not accepted.

Review all your posts, find 13 things you said that are shit and then take them to a "judge" that fits YOUR definition of morality?

You want me to do homework? In what is clearly an attempt to stack the deck?

Yeah. No.

Jakee summed it up: You ain't that important.

Even if people argue with you here, it is not YOU that matters. It is their enjoyment from the argument.

You also ain't no martyr so stop posting your torture porn pic.

I am also guessing that on DZ.com, you are batting about .000 in the disciple department

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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gowlerk

Obviously I speak only for myself. There is still a strong possibility that other people may have been driven away from Christ by your words. If you want to increase the flock, you need to embrace the unwashed, as Jesus himself did.

I do hate speaking for everyone but I am going to do that and say your are speaking for everyone too.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Oh and just for reference racism/ misogyny or any other form of bigotry ≠ "disdain for political correctness"

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[quade 3]

If a person has to attempt to prove to others he is a good Christian, then not only is he probably not, but deep down inside there is probably a little voice telling him so as well.

Others will know a good Christian by his words and deeds; not by some jerry rigged test.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Phil1111 911]

quade

If a person has to attempt to prove to others he is a good Christian, then not only is he probably not, but deep down inside there is probably a little voice telling him so as well.

Others will know a good Christian by his words and deeds; not by some jerry rigged test.

Here's one:

"Mother Teresa founded the Missionaries of Charity, a Roman Catholic religious congregation, which in 2012 consisted of over 4,500 sisters and was active in 133 countries. They run hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis; soup kitchens; dispensaries and mobile clinics; children's and family counselling programmes; orphanages; and schools. Members must adhere to the vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience, as well as a fourth vow, to give "wholehearted free service to the poorest of the poor".[7]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa

IMO A good Christian gives and doesn't ask or take. Is honest and doesn't throw stones at those who aren't. Shields the weak and the vulnerable from those that would hurt or take advantage of them.

The original poster may be a fine Christian and I wouldn't be so unfair to compare him to Mother Teresa. But Christians like Trump and others currently in the news have turned me aside from religion.

I'm an atheist now and was an R. C. altar boy(now the politically correct term is "altar server") for three years.

[kallend 1,625]

Want to be a good Christian? You could start by reading Matthew Chapters 5 - 7 and practicing what is preached there.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wolfriverjoe 1,341]

kallend

Want to be a good Christian? You could start by reading Matthew Chapters 5 - 7 and practicing what is preached there.

^This.

I find it rather amusing that someone who claims to have been "saved" and has a "personal relationship" with Jesus acts in a manner that is pretty much opposite His teachings.

The Bible can be confusing and contradictory in many ways.

But the teachings of Christ are pretty consistent across the NT.

"Be nice to each other." is the overall theme.

Not "arm yourself when going into 'enemy territory'".
Not "drive out those who are different".

I guess Ron's consistent message nicely illustrates the statement "There is no question that God will forgive us our derelictions if we ask, but under no circumstances does he render us white as snow and keep us that way without our help."

And Ron, why only Pentacostal? Aren't Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists (well, not AME of course), Protestants or any other Christians good enough for you?

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[JohnnyMarko 1]

I wonder if Jesus would jump with an AAD or not

[DJL 232]

Are you also going to take 13 things that your collective opposites have said that you find contentious and bring them to a reliable source for review? Nothing you've said has make me stumble because I realize that your perspective is that of someone with cultural or provincial religious beliefs. You grew up in a era in which "In God We Trust" was added to money and Jerry Falwell was the voice of God. At this point it's who you are and I doubt that even words coming out the Pope's mouth would change what you think. We're just going to have to live with Max Planck's view on how society improves and embraces scientific fact not by converting its opponents but by a generation growing up understanding it as truth.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[wolfriverjoe 1,341]

DJL

... I doubt that even words coming out the Pope's mouth would change what you think...

You do realize that Ron doesn't consider Catholics "real" Christians, right?

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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JohnnyMarko

I wonder if Jesus would jump with an AAD or not

WHY ? I mean why would he - he has an RSL!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DJL 232]

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You do realize that Ron doesn't consider Catholics "real" Christians, right?

I do.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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DJL

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You do realize that Ron doesn't consider Catholics "real" Christians, right?

I do.

I thought Christians were not supposed to pray to idols exception Jesus and God, since they are one in the same.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

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You do realize that Ron doesn't consider Catholics "real" Christians, right?

I do.

I thought Christians were not supposed to pray to idols exception Jesus and God, since they are one in the same.

Are you referring to Christians and saints?

Because they are not praying TO saints praising them instead of god, they are praying to the saint so the saint might put in a good word with the big guy.

A prayer booster if you will.

You can see that in Ava Maria:

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of death. Amen

And it is not prayer anyway. It is worship. You are not supposed to worship anyone else. Often enough though, people, as people in religion often do, take that prayer for help too far and it certainly starts to seem a lot like worship.

Religion is silly.

(raised Catholic)

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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You do realize that Ron doesn't consider Catholics "real" Christians, right?

I do.

I thought Christians were not supposed to pray to idols exception Jesus and God, since they are one in the same.

Are you referring to Christians and saints?

Because they are not praying TO saints praising them instead of god, they are praying to the saint so the saint might put in a good word with the big guy.

A prayer booster if you will.

You can see that in Ava Maria:

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of death. Amen

And it is not prayer anyway. It is worship. You are not supposed to worship anyone else. Often enough though, people, as people in religion often do, take that prayer for help too far and it certainly starts to seem a lot like worship.

Religion is silly.

(raised Catholic)

From what I ace witnessed, some hold the waits above the almighty.

I'm at least agnostic. A recovering Baptist.

But I ace seen more prayers to saints - yes actually witnessed them - but as I see it you are only to pray to God - saints do not hold the moxy to be prayed to.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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As I said, there are those who take it too far. But that is not the Catholic Church's position on it. The commandant is Thou shalt have no other gods before me. That means placing someone as better than God. But a Cathollic actually following the rules is not saing saint X is better than God.

When a catholic prays to a saint, they are not SUPPOSED to be worshipping the saint, but admiring them and asking them to prayer for them too. you can basically end any prayer to a saint like so

"Saint Christopher, please help me find the brothel by adding the power of your prayer to mine so god gets a big old prayer blast from us together!"

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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RonD1120

Have I posted anything that made you stumble?

No. Your faith is consistent and has stood the test of time. The history behind the backdrop of our lives is dramatically contrasted, yet there is still a strong sense of brotherhood between us.

I would say that our main difference (as discussed a few years back) is in how we see the role of government in our faith, or vice versa - but that disagreement has virtually no bearing on my faith, because interestingly enough, I've been given the ability to separate the two.

Now, having said all that - you know how weak my faith has become given my current bitter circumstance, but it's the faith of people like you on which I reflect when I feel like giving up.

It's the faith of people like you that have helped me to remember that I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be - placing the good of another before myself.

I counted the cost - it's what I signed up for.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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jakee

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The Bible also cautions us not to say or do anything to make another to stumble.

What does that mean?

I know you don't really care, so I'll just use this as an opportunity to inject some mild humor.

https://youtu.be/TnReAT6ZN9c?t=36

jakee

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So yea - that's Black Jesus from Family Guy.

You can also find Fat Jesus along with other politically incorrect humor (that's also not offensive - because we're not Muslim - or whingeing liberal poofs) at the Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOI1IER-Eu4

Enjoy!

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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quade

Others will know a good Christian by his words and deeds.

Scripture says they will be known by their fruit.

Words are cheap - and deeds, in vain. . .

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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JohnnyMarko

I wonder if Jesus would jump with an AAD or not

Matthew 4:5-7
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”

Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour