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JerryBaumchen

Congress can amend until the cows come home, the SCOTUS gets the last word; and you know it.

I wasn't meaning to be a dick. I was serious about it. the Obamacare decision? Congress has the power to wipe it out. Congress has the power to eliminate the ACA entirely. That was a case or pure statutory construction and not some grand Issue under the Amendments of personal rights. Those are much easier for Congress to do something about.

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Edit to add: Amending the Constitution and Congress amending a law are two very different things. Nice try on the word substitution.

Yes they are. I wasn't trying to be coy. I pointed out a specific example. The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified in order to overturn the Holding in Pollock.

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PS) 67% of the US population are for single-sex marriage. No way in Hades is the contstitution going to be amended on this subject.

I agree totally. But there were some comments I saw where they suggested trying to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage. It's a fool's errand but at least they were thinking properly as far as procedure goes.

It's kinda like how the Second Amendment is on the books. The SCOTUS has recently affirmed it as an individual right. It will take a Constitutional a Amendment to get rid of that individual right now. Ain't gonna happen any time soon.

So there are the methodologies. They are entirely separate from the pragmatic issues. It's like calling for any Constitutional Amendment. It's hard to do it. Extremely hard. So people have for the most part stopped trying. I totally get that.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Bolas

Scary new precedent: write some huge bill no one can/will read first before voting, selectively enforce only parts or none and if something doesn't work or not to one's advantage, "what we meant was" is enough to get it changed without any pesky voting.

five or six threads I've read this morning and you've been spot on the entire time on multiple topics


frankly, we all complain about the executive legislating inappropriately via exec orders, and we all complain about the judicial legislating from the bench (well.....if we disagree with the topic at least. no one cares about correct and legal process if they get what they want)...

but we should be complaining about a Legislature that appears to only care about fluff legislation while hiding like little scaredy kittens from real issues, posing and picking at each other, and ALLOWING the other branches to do their work for them

Both houses, and BOTH parties, of Congress should be outraged at the hijack of their powers by the other two branches. they need to pick up the reins they've dropped and get to work and reestablish their sphere of responsibilities. Instead, all they do is 'comment' (praise or complain) about the results of the hijack - they've turned into powerless commentators - impotent pundits and hollow figureheads



isn't it time for Congress to pass a "law" naming a library or something?

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Bolas

After the noninsured fine was considered a tax, it became very clear any legal challenges would fail, no matter what it took.

Scary new precedent: write some huge bill no one can/will read first before voting, selectively enforce only parts or none and if something doesn't work or not to one's advantage, "what we meant was" is enough to get it changed without any pesky voting.

"New"? It's not new by any means. No-one, for example, reads any appropriations bills. That's how so much pork gets inserted.

Congresspersons don't have the time to read any of this stuff - they're too busy doing the peoples' work: soliciting donations.

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>"New"? It's not new by any means. No-one, for example, reads any appropriations
>bills. That's how so much pork gets inserted.

Agreed. That doesn't mean it should be accepted, though. It's not hard to write comprehensible laws even when they are complex.

Example in this case - the law could have contained a dozen pages of introduction, saying "this is a summary of the law, this is the intent and this is how it will be implemented." Then no one has to guess as to what the intent was. As it is, you have to get to page 33 before you even see any text. Then you start reading, and four lines in is this note - "Replaced by section 10101(a)." A first year law student could have done a better job.

Then, when it is presented, the legislator reads the introduction, and his staffers read the rest of the bill and verify that the introduction is accurate. Then the legislator is informed and the public has a chance in hell of understanding what's going on.

In California, ballot measures have requirements for a one-page summary, as well as two pages for proponents and opponents to present their views. Even that would be an improvement.

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tonyhays

Kim Gibbs? Is that you?

The parallels between her fanatacism with MHS and the republicans with Obamacare are fascinating. One thing you have in common? You've both lost.

Insight.

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That's how so much pork gets inserted.

I see what you did there.

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Andy9o8

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That's how so much pork gets inserted.

I see what you did there.

You're welcome.

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You're welcome.

This is SC. I believe it should be spelled "your".

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Oh the days of yore in SC.

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normiss

Oh the days of yore in SC.

Yore on the rite site.

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I seen what you done their.

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People overate this sight. Everyone nose that

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

People overate this sight. Everyone nose that

Wendy P.

Ill bet, that ewe know how, much a looser those grammer nuaghtzees are.

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My wife's employer, Humana, is to be taken over by Aetna for $37 BILLION, primarily because Aetna wants Humana's lucrative Medicare Advantage business.

Anthem has offered $47 billion for giant insurer Cigna, and health-insurance CEOs are raking in millions. Humana CEO Bruce Broussard took home $10.1 million last year, Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini got $15 million, and the CEOs of Anthem, Cigna and UnitedHealth each pulled in more than $10 million.

Meanwhile they raise premiums and blame Obamacare. Liars.

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You gotta wonder, when every citizen is required to purchase their products...how much does that help their pockets?
Apparently, millions, LOTS of millions.

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kallend

My wife's employer, Humana, is to be taken over by Aetna for $37 BILLION, primarily because Aetna wants Humana's lucrative Medicare Advantage business.

Anthem has offered $47 billion for giant insurer Cigna, and health-insurance CEOs are raking in millions. Humana CEO Bruce Broussard took home $10.1 million last year, Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini got $15 million, and the CEOs of Anthem, Cigna and UnitedHealth each pulled in more than $10 million.

Meanwhile they raise premiums and blame Obamacare. Liars.

You would think in a comprehensive reform pass it and read it piece of law there would be some checks and balances it make sure this raise rates and blame it on ACA did not happen. Thanks obama, LA rates up 10% from last year, projected to go up 11% next year. No matter if it's because of the ACA OR blamed on ACA it's still happening because of the ACA.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

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Anvilbrother

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My wife's employer, Humana, is to be taken over by Aetna for $37 BILLION, primarily because Aetna wants Humana's lucrative Medicare Advantage business.

Anthem has offered $47 billion for giant insurer Cigna, and health-insurance CEOs are raking in millions. Humana CEO Bruce Broussard took home $10.1 million last year, Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini got $15 million, and the CEOs of Anthem, Cigna and UnitedHealth each pulled in more than $10 million.

Meanwhile they raise premiums and blame Obamacare. Liars.

You would think in a comprehensive reform pass it and read it piece of law there would be some checks and balances it make sure this raise rates and blame it on ACA did not happen. Thanks obama, LA rates up 10% from last year, projected to go up 11% next year. No matter if it's because of the ACA OR blamed on ACA it's still happening because of the ACA.

You do realize that Obama Care was Romney Care when the GOP was supporting it... till it was the black guy supporting it... Please never forget that it was McConnell and his crew who said from election day in 2008 they would do everything to block the black guy and anything he did no matter how much it hurt the American people....

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My wife's employer, Humana, is to be taken over by Aetna for $37 BILLION, primarily because Aetna wants Humana's lucrative Medicare Advantage business.

Anthem has offered $47 billion for giant insurer Cigna, and health-insurance CEOs are raking in millions. Humana CEO Bruce Broussard took home $10.1 million last year, Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini got $15 million, and the CEOs of Anthem, Cigna and UnitedHealth each pulled in more than $10 million.

Meanwhile they raise premiums and blame Obamacare. Liars.

You would think in a comprehensive reform pass it and read it piece of law there would be some checks and balances it make sure this raise rates and blame it on ACA did not happen. Thanks obama, LA rates up 10% from last year, projected to go up 11% next year. No matter if it's because of the ACA OR blamed on ACA it's still happening because of the ACA.

You do realize that Obama Care was Romney Care when the GOP was supporting it... till it was the black guy supporting it... Please never forget that it was McConnell and his crew who said from election day in 2008 they would do everything to block the black guy and anything he did no matter how much it hurt the American people....

I don't give a shit if it was a plan crafted by all 4 bush relatives, and every republican in history's idea. The fact is obama and the dems rushed, crammed, hid and passed this unpolished turd and has caused my rates to rise 21% in two years.

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I have been re-accepted by the VA with first appt in Aug. Hopefully, that will be my ace in the hole.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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My wife's employer, Humana, is to be taken over by Aetna for $37 BILLION, primarily because Aetna wants Humana's lucrative Medicare Advantage business.

Anthem has offered $47 billion for giant insurer Cigna, and health-insurance CEOs are raking in millions. Humana CEO Bruce Broussard took home $10.1 million last year, Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini got $15 million, and the CEOs of Anthem, Cigna and UnitedHealth each pulled in more than $10 million.

Meanwhile they raise premiums and blame Obamacare. Liars.

You would think in a comprehensive reform pass it and read it piece of law there would be some checks and balances it make sure this raise rates and blame it on ACA did not happen. Thanks obama, LA rates up 10% from last year, projected to go up 11% next year. No matter if it's because of the ACA OR blamed on ACA it's still happening because of the ACA.

You do realize that Obama Care was Romney Care when the GOP was supporting it... till it was the black guy supporting it... Please never forget that it was McConnell and his crew who said from election day in 2008 they would do everything to block the black guy and anything he did no matter how much it hurt the American people....

Confirmed by former GOP Senator (OH) George Voinovich speaking to Michael Grunwald: Republican marching orders were to oppose everything the Obama administration proposed.

“If he was for it, we had to be against it,” Voinovich tells Grunwald. And at another point, characterizing a strategy session Republicans and McConnell had held in early January of 2009, Voinovich said: “He wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”

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RonD1120

I have been re-accepted by the VA with first appt in Aug. Hopefully, that will be my ace in the hole.

Back to socialized medical care paid for by US taxpayers for Ron. The stench of hypocrisy is foul in the north Georgia hills, and is especially strong at Ron's house.

Ron, the "Christian", who in his writings is a dedicated opponent of "socialism" and all of its evils, when it helps other people, but when it benefits HIM, socialized medical care and Social Security are benefits he magically "earned" somehow.

Ron, you are aware that the Republicans would do away with the VA medical system and force veterans to seek services from private, for profit medical facilities, are you not? These are the politicians that you support. They would take away VA care, cut your Social Security benefits, and kill off Medicare, if they could muster the political power to do so.
Why would you vote for people who, if successful, would really screw up your life and finances? Is the marketing of their message so unclear to you that you would vote to cut your own throat?

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funjumper101

***I have been re-accepted by the VA with first appt in Aug. Hopefully, that will be my ace in the hole.

Back to socialized medical care paid for by US taxpayers for Ron. The stench of hypocrisy is foul in the north Georgia hills, and is especially strong at Ron's house.

Ron, the "Christian", who in his writings is a dedicated opponent of "socialism" and all of its evils, when it helps other people, but when it benefits HIM, socialized medical care and Social Security are benefits he magically "earned" somehow.

Ron, you are aware that the Republicans would do away with the VA medical system and force veterans to seek services from private, for profit medical facilities, are you not? These are the politicians that you support. They would take away VA care, cut your Social Security benefits, and kill off Medicare, if they could muster the political power to do so.
Why would you vote for people who, if successful, would really screw up your life and finances? Is the marketing of their message so unclear to you that you would vote to cut your own throat?

I hate to break it to you but Ron EARNED that socialist healthcare from the government that he went and served... so many do not.... yet so many would be the better for serving this great nation of ours.

Perhaps of we got enough people who earn their benefits there would be a C change in who the republican voters like RON see that giving up what they have earned by voting against their own best interests is not a fiscally responsible position in life.