kallend 1,625 #651 November 1, 2021 Seems to me that Joe Manchin fits the description. He aids and abets McConnell's agenda and clearly sabotages the agenda of his own party. It's an indictment of the constitution that a single individual from a small state can effectively paralyze the government of the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 268 #652 November 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, kallend said: Seems to me that Joe Manchin fits the description. He aids and abets McConnell's agenda and clearly sabotages the agenda of his own party. It's an indictment of the constitution that a single individual from a small state can effectively paralyze the government of the country. What's the deal with him now not happy with $1.5 trillion, down from $3.5 trillion? (over 10 years, to be clear). I only saw the headline, but yeah, that's some BS right there. EDIT: Okay, it's $1.75 trillion. Still, that's still some BS. He's making it sound like no one knows where the funding will come from, when that has been an important talking/negotiating point these past couple of weeks. Not sure what he thinks is "dangerous" to the economy, or on which parts are unclear to him. Seems like just attention-getting talking points at this stage. :S Edited November 2, 2021 by TriGirl additional information Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #653 November 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, kallend said: Seems to me that Joe Manchin fits the description. He aids and abets McConnell's agenda and clearly sabotages the agenda of his own party. It's an indictment of the constitution that a single individual from a small state can effectively paralyze the government of the country. It would be better for all involved for him to switch parties or become a non-aligned independent. The Democrats would be happy to loose Manchin and the Republicans would be happy to get him. It would seem an obvious solution, and win-win if you will. I can’t understand why Schumer hasn’t suggested it. Edited November 2, 2021 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #654 November 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: It would be better for all involved for him to switch parties or become a non-aligned independent. The Democrats would be happy to loose Manchin and the Republicans would be happy to get him. It would seem an obvious solution, and win-win if you will. I can’t understand why Schumer hasn’t suggested it. I actually agree with you on this although I think I understand why Schumer hasn’t. Edited November 2, 2021 by murps2000 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #655 November 2, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, murps2000 said: I actually agree with you on this although I think I understand why Schumer hasn’t. He is just representing his constituency and ironically, he is protecting his party. The Ds are conflating antipathy for Trump for a progressive mandate. They are overreacting and Manchin is protecting them from themselves. Edited November 2, 2021 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,302 #656 November 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, brenthutch said: He is just representing his constituency and ironically, he is protecting his party. The Ds are conflating antipathy for Trump for a progressive mandate. They are overreacting and Manchin is protecting them from themselves. He's just being a self important dick who wont be told. The tell here is his advice to Jayapal to not believe holding up infrastructure will sway him. You know, for the good of the country. What a shit show we've become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #657 November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, TriGirl said: What's the deal with him now not happy with $1.5 trillion, down from $3.5 trillion? (over 10 years, to be clear). I only saw the headline, but yeah, that's some BS right there. EDIT: Okay, it's $1.75 trillion. Still, that's still some BS. He's making it sound like no one knows where the funding will come from, when that has been an important talking/negotiating point these past couple of weeks. Not sure what he thinks is "dangerous" to the economy, or on which parts are unclear to him. Seems like just attention-getting talking points at this stage. :S Nobody knows where the funding will come from because nothing has been codified. The “danger” to the economy is the inflation we are now experiencing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #658 November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: He's just being a self important dick who wont be told. The tell here is his advice to Jayapal to not believe holding up infrastructure will sway him. I encourage you to listen to his press conference and decide for yourself. If the progressives stick to their guns and Manchin sticks to his, our country will have dodged a bullet. We can only pray for intransigence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 268 #659 November 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Nobody knows where the funding will come from because nothing has been codified. The “danger” to the economy is the inflation we are now experiencing. I'm going to disagree with that simple assessment. If deficit caused inflation, we would have already seen massive inflation during the previous administration. These spending proposals have nothing on the tax cuts (causing severe deficit) from the previous administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,302 #660 November 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Nobody knows where the funding will come from because nothing has been codified. The “danger” to the economy is the inflation we are now experiencing. That's probably too abstract for his pea brain. I think he believes simply owing more money is dangerous; the real danger being that once something becomes a program it stays a program. You know, like those nitwits on the progressive caucus told him. I really don't believe Manchin and Sinema could organize a three person marble game if you showed up and brought the marbles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #661 November 2, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: That's probably too abstract for his pea brain. I think he believes simply owing more money is dangerous; the real danger being that once something becomes a program it stays a program. That was one of just one of his points. He also laid bare the gimmicks the Ds used to pretend that their scheme was fully paid for. Edited November 2, 2021 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,388 #662 November 2, 2021 I'm convinced the GOP is either: a) Buying off Manchin & Sinema. b) Blackmailing them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,302 #663 November 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, brenthutch said: That was one of just one of his points. He also laid bare the gimmicks the Ds used to pretend that their scheme was fully paid for. As I acknowledged, although I didn't play the it's a D only thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,302 #664 November 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, ryoder said: I'm convinced the GOP is either: a) Buying off Manchin & Sinema. b) Blackmailing them. They're aggrandizing themselves at the nations expense. Their names are in every other paragraph in the news. That sticks. They know it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #665 November 2, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, ryoder said: I'm convinced the GOP is either: a) Buying off Manchin & Sinema. b) Blackmailing them. Have you ever considered they are Democrats representing red states, or that they think drastically increasing the size of the welfare state at a time when we can’t pay for the one we have might be a bad idea? If the American people think Biden’s Build Back Better plan is worthwhile, they will reward them with supermajorities in the House and Senate and render the notions of two rogue Senators moot. Edited November 2, 2021 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #666 November 2, 2021 8 hours ago, JoeWeber said: As I acknowledged, although I didn't play the it's a D only thing. Agreed, both sides did it with the American Rescue Plan Act. They paid for it by eliminating the non-existent line item in the budget tilted “waste, fraud and abuse” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #667 November 2, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, brenthutch said: If the American people think Biden’s Build Back Better plan is worthwhile, they will reward them with supermajorities in the House and Senate and render the notions of two rogue Senators moot. Many Americans can't seem to get on a plane without getting in trouble. Edited November 2, 2021 by SkyDekker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #668 November 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Many Americans can't seem to get on a plane without getting in trouble. Most Americans don't seem to understand basic science or math, either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #669 November 2, 2021 The more I watch, the more I think the US and (to a slightly lesser extent) the UK are fundamentally broken. The right in both countries are only out to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else, and the left (or slighly less right) are still playing by the rules of an out of date game. If it was just trolls like brent and winsor making fools of themselves online then it wouldn't be a problem but unfortunately they are just parroting what they are being fed by the politicians. Not sure what the answer is, but pretty sure Biden isn't it. He was the safe choice, not the good choice. He'll be competent and somewhat dignified (which is a nice change on both accounts compared to the last guy) but won't risk rocking the boat too much. The R's will get back in and then as long as they field someone halfway competent, you're all screwed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #670 November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: Many Americans can't seem to get on a plane without getting in trouble. Agreed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #671 November 2, 2021 (edited) Wonder if he was on his way to the grassy knoll to witness JFK jr. return? That's what a few hundred of your fellow countrymen were up to today. The same people you rely on to vote with any form of logic. But then you have some of this incredible reporting taking place: Edited November 2, 2021 by SkyDekker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,388 #672 November 2, 2021 Republicans Name Joe Manchin Employee of the Month Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,388 #673 November 13, 2021 Jimmy Kimmel shows video clips of Lauren Boebert's babbling to people on the street and tells them that it is SNL parodies of Boebert to get their reactions: 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,388 #674 December 6, 2021 Politico: Nunes quits Congress for Trump Media job All I can say is: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #675 December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, ryoder said: Politico: Nunes quits Congress for Trump Media job All I can say is: Hi Robert, He has finally found a place where he fits in. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites