Should the number of votes you get be related to how much tax you pay?

[wmw999 2,164]

Discuss.

After all, money can buy you access, so that a candidate or congresscritter or executive can really, really, hear what you want to say.

If you pay more for infrastructure, shouldn't you get more votes to determine how it goes?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[GeorgiaDon 340]

Maybe they could have 1 vote in each district, but be able to vote in as many districts as they want. I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court would go for that.

Don

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[RonD1120 58]

In 2012 we turned a man with tremendous international financial experience in favor of PR hype. I don't think the voters of America have any understanding of how to vote for leadership.

Leadership experience or at least ability should determine the number of votes one obtains. Alas, those days seem to be gone and it will take a major catastrophe to refocus the American people. I predict that collapse will be U.S. socialism imploding.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,164]

I'm assuming you figure that leadership experience and/or ability will be positively correlated with wealth (no matter who actually acquired it), and church membership. After all, who else is qualified to measure it?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[shropshire 0]

So the poor don't get as much say as, say the lieing politicians and bankers (i.e those the have caused most of the harm in recent years) .. Not sure that I like that plan much. ... on the other had the people who don't pay their fair share of taxes because they can utilise loop-holes.. wont get much of a say either (the better part of the plan)

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[lawrocket 3]

Absolutely not. It would mean corporations would get a very large part of the vote. As it is they have no vote.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[CornishChris 5]

I think you should not be told where to vote. You get sent a cryptic clue as to the location and those with the smarts to work it out get to vote, those who don't then tough.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[shropshire 0]

CornishChris

I think you should not be told where to vote. You get sent a cryptic clue as to the location and those with the smarts to work it out get to vote, those who don't then tough.

Voters cards in Geo-caches

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[D22369 0]

no, just no.

1person 1vote


Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

[RonD1120 58]

wmw999

I'm assuming you figure that leadership experience and/or ability will be positively correlated with wealth (no matter who actually acquired it), and church membership. After all, who else is qualified to measure it?

Wendy P.

Well, leadership and wealth would probably go together. As far as politics is concerned, it takes wealth to get in the race and leaders tend to create wealth. Church membership is a secondary qualification. I would have voted for Romeny but I am not totally convinced that Mormanism is not a cult. However, Glenn Beck is making me rethink and evaluate my position.

Remember there is political leadership and there is spiritual leadership. Each has its own set of values, rules and qualifications. The Antichrist is going to be a masterful leader when he arrives.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,454]

>You get sent a cryptic clue as to the location and those with the smarts to work
>it out get to vote, those who don't then tough.

Or take a test that covers science, math, basic civics etc. The higher the score, the more your vote counts.

[quade 3]

billvon

>You get sent a cryptic clue as to the location and those with the smarts to work
>it out get to vote, those who don't then tough.
Or take a test that covers science, math, basic civics etc. The higher the score, the more your vote counts.

"Literacy tests" are generally not considered to be a good thing.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[turtlespeed 212]

wmw999

Discuss.

After all, money can buy you access, so that a candidate or congresscritter or executive can really, really, hear what you want to say.

If you pay more for infrastructure, shouldn't you get more votes to determine how it goes?

Wendy P.

Only if you can equate your infrastructure to Healthcare - wouldn't that be nice?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[wayneflorida 0]

How about a vote for each rig you own. Much simpler and skydivers rules.

[kallend 1,661]

billvon

>You get sent a cryptic clue as to the location and those with the smarts to work
>it out get to vote, those who don't then tough.

Or take a test that covers science, math, basic civics etc. The higher the score, the more your vote counts.

+1

Should include PDEs, linear algebra, quantum mechanics and general relativity.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,454]

>Should include PDEs, linear algebra, quantum mechanics and general relativity.

But not evolution, plate tectonics or astrophysics - cause that would be discrimination.

[rhaig 0]

kallend

***>You get sent a cryptic clue as to the location and those with the smarts to work
>it out get to vote, those who don't then tough.

Or take a test that covers science, math, basic civics etc. The higher the score, the more your vote counts.

+1

Should include PDEs, linear algebra, quantum mechanics and general relativity.

ha ha

I've long said that there should be a basic test of at least the platforms of the candidates. I'm good with adding basic math, economics and civics.

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Rob

[DanG 1]

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I've long said that there should be a basic test of at least the platforms of the candidates. I'm good with adding basic math, economics and civics.

Who writes the test, and who grades it?

- Dan G

[StreetScooby 5]

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If you pay more for infrastructure, shouldn't you get more votes to determine how it goes?

I had to give this a bit of thought. I don't feel you should get more votes if you pay more tax. But, I'm thinking if you're ensconced in a welfare life, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to vote. That aspect of our system is broken, and I'm concerned we are reaching a tipping point. Too many people are starting to "vote for a living" instead of "working for a living". The problem with this approach, as always, is codifying it in language/law.

We are all engines of karma

[StreetScooby 5]

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Or take a test...

Since our federal politicians are sworn to uphold the Constitution, it does make sense they should be tested somewhere along the line before being elected. Be that through responsible journalist, or else where, isn't clear to me.

We are all engines of karma

[rhaig 0]

DanG

Who writes the test, and who grades it?

It would be based on the candidates self-published platform as the purpose would be just to figure out if you knew who you were voting for. Just a few key questions. The scores would be determined at the same time the vote was counted (presumably by the same method)

It'll never happen though. There are too many lazy ignorant straight ticket voters who would bitch and moan at having to educate themselves about the candidates.

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Rob

[DanG 1]

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It would be based on the candidates self-published platform as the purpose would be just to figure out if you knew who you were voting for. Just a few key questions. The scores would be determined at the same time the vote was counted (presumably by the same method)

So it would, "true or false: candidate X believes in lower taxes."? Would the candidates themselves write the questions? Would you have to get all the questions right, or just some? What if you can't read? No vote for you?

Your. Proposal, although perhaps having good motives, would be totally unworkable and, by the way, is unconstitutional. It would end up being abused so that the writers and graders of the test could essentially disenfranchise anyone they wanted. See the literacy test posted above if you don't believe me.

- Dan G

[billvon 2,454]

>Who writes the test, and who grades it?

Why, the party in power, of course!

[rhaig 0]

DanG

So it would, "true or false: candidate X believes in lower taxes."? Would the candidates themselves write the questions? Would you have to get all the questions right, or just some? What if you can't read? No vote for you?

Your. Proposal, although perhaps having good motives, would be totally unworkable and, by the way, is unconstitutional. It would end up being abused so that the writers and graders of the test could essentially disenfranchise anyone they wanted. See the literacy test posted above if you don't believe me.

Oh I believe you. There is simply no way to ensure that a voting public is educated on what they are choosing. Any method to try to do so would disenfranchise the ignorant and lazy. And even though they're ignorant and lazy, they get a right to vote. Even if they choose to hand that to a party by casting a straight ticket vote instead of picking the best candidates on the ballot.

I know it's not a viable solution, I just wish people did a little research into their candidates and their platforms.

So put your condescension back in your pocket and move on.

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Rob

[DanG 1]

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So put your condescension back in your pocket and move on.

Sure, as soon as you do the same.

Apparently anyone who doesn't vote the way you think they should must be ignorant and lazy. I've heard it time and again from people here that the only reasons anyone cast a vote for Obama is because he's black, and they are stupid. I voted for him twice because I thought he was better than the alternative. I didn't think he was "the Messiah", just the better choice in those particular elections.

Literacy tests or knowledge tests are just a way to keep people you don't want to vote from voting. Could I have passed a test you wrote about each candidate's platform? Probably not, but you wouldn't have been able to pass a test I wrote if I didn't want you to, either.

- Dan G