Standing your ground in Georgia

[jclalor 12]

Very sad.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/29/sheriff-says-georgia-stand-your-ground-law-may-apply-to-fatal-shooting-man/

[shropshire 0]

Iago

***Very sad.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/29/sheriff-says-georgia-stand-your-ground-law-may-apply-to-fatal-shooting-man/

Agreed. Even if charges are not filed he'll have to live with this the rest of his life.

And so he should .. taking some else's life should NOT ever be easy.

If you feel 'threatened' by an old man walking towards you .. then WALK AWAY ..... For fucks sake what are you people on?

(.)Y(.)
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[ryoder 1,412]

WTF???
Why does *every* civilian shooting bring out the people who want to talk about SYG laws?
This is a clear case of where the pre-existing "castle doctrine" law takes effect.
For Georgia: http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3§ion=23

In the states with castle doctrine, (nearly all of them), SYG only applies in *public* places.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 644]

Somebody murdered an innocent black kid man.

[AndyBoyd 0]

Sigh. This is what will continue to happen with stand your ground laws. One gentleman's life is over. Another decent guy is saddled with a lifetime of guilt. And maybe prison time.

OK, right-wingers, mount a spirited defense of this guy like you did for Zimmerman. And tell us how SYG laws benefit all of us.

[turtlespeed 212]

AndyBoyd

Sigh. This is what will continue to happen with stand your ground laws. One gentleman's life is over. Another decent guy is saddled with a lifetime of guilt. And maybe prison time.

OK, right-wingers, mount a spirited defense of this guy like you did for Zimmerman. And tell us how SYG laws benefit all of us.

Um. This wasn't SYG.

Y'all will get it eventually.

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[Andy9o8 0]

turtlespeed

***Sigh. This is what will continue to happen with stand your ground laws. One gentleman's life is over. Another decent guy is saddled with a lifetime of guilt. And maybe prison time.

OK, right-wingers, mount a spirited defense of this guy like you did for Zimmerman. And tell us how SYG laws benefit all of us.

Um. This wasn't SYG.

Y'all will get it eventually.

Are you addressing Sheriff Wilson, or the reporter who wrote the article?

[normiss 644]

As long as there are mean and scary guns, added with emotional politicians, and a side dish of media hype, no, I don't think they ever will.
Trayvon's parents are STILL trying to SYG laws repealed nationwide.

[ryoder 1,412]

Andy9o8

******Sigh. This is what will continue to happen with stand your ground laws. One gentleman's life is over. Another decent guy is saddled with a lifetime of guilt. And maybe prison time.

OK, right-wingers, mount a spirited defense of this guy like you did for Zimmerman. And tell us how SYG laws benefit all of us.

Um. This wasn't SYG.

Y'all will get it eventually.

Are you addressing Sheriff Wilson, or the reporter who wrote the article?

I would say both. The reporter needs to do more research, and the sheriff sounds incompetent if he doesn't understand the laws he is enforcing.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[wolfriverjoe 1,371]

ryoder

I would say both. The reporter needs to do more research, and the sheriff sounds incompetent if he doesn't understand the laws he is enforcing.

Really? You don't think both the reporter and the Sheriff don't know the difference between "Castle Doctrine" and SYG?

Or maybe they want to paint SYG in a bad light and are calling this tragedy SYG to do just that.

It wound't be the first time.

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[SkyDekker 1,155]

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In the states with castle doctrine, (nearly all of them), SYG only applies in *public* places.

I think we are starting to confuse several different issues here.

As I udnerstand it, Georgia's "castle doctrine" indicates that in defending yourself or others, relating to the defense of habitation, has no duty to retreat and has a right to stand his ground and use force.

Hence, the Georgia "castle doctrine" allows one to stand their ground.

Another option is, that since the page you linked to speaks a lot about entry or attempted entry into residence, one could argue tha the "castle doctrine" would not apply in this case and therefor SYG might take over.

(we also don't know where the actual shooting took place, may have been off the actual property)

[Andy9o8 0]

It's also possible that in current pop culture, SYG & castle doctrine get conflabbed, even by cops talking to reporters. Or maybe they were all high. Or maybe they're messin' with our heads.

[masterrig 1]

Something the story does not say is, was the older man being threatening? Was he being loud and scary? Did the younger man feel he was in imminent danger? The younger man is the only one who is able to tell the story. The older man isn't talking. Like so many news stories about shootings, we don't get the whole story. I do get the impression the younger man may have just been a little too quick on the draw. To me, this is too open ended.


Chuck

[rickjump1 0]

AndyBoyd

Sigh. This is what will continue to happen with stand your ground laws. One gentleman's life is over. Another decent guy is saddled with a lifetime of guilt. And maybe prison time.

OK, right-wingers, mount a spirited defense of this guy like you did for Zimmerman. And tell us how SYG laws benefit all of us.

Well, SYG laws might stop some poor grandmother in NYC from getting a broken jaw and getting her brains knocked loose. Oops, I forgot: only the bad guys have guns in NYC and they only attack when they can blindside their victims.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[Bertt 0]

This one isn't that complicated. The homeowner didn't need to go out of his house. In fact, it was stupid to go out and confront the guy ringing his doorbell. Mister "I felt threatened" apparently never heard of an ambush. In this case, all the arguments about castle doctrine and stand your ground are superseded by pure stupidity.

You don't have to outrun the bear.

[masterrig 1]

I believe, you have a good point. I'd have slammed the door on the ol' boy and call-911 and explain the situation.


Chuck

[ryoder 1,412]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2514803/Man-Alzheimers-shot-homeowner-ringing-doorbell.html

A few things in this article I haven't seen elsewhere:

- The incident happened at 4am, so it all transpired in darkness.

- The elderly guy not only rang the doorbell, but also was trying to open the door.

- The elderly guy is mute.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[RonD1120 58]

Georgia Gun Owners, Inc.
There are pushes in dozens of states across the country for new "mental health mandates" that could disarm millions of gun owners nationwide. Georgia gun owners should be on guard and prepared to fight back if Republicans in the General Assembly in Atlanta decide to push "mental health" legislation in 2014. Bad stuff

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[kallend 1,679]

RonD1120

Georgia Gun Owners, Inc.
There are pushes in dozens of states across the country for new "mental health mandates" that could disarm millions of gun owners nationwide. Georgia gun owners should be on guard and prepared to fight back if Republicans in the General Assembly in Atlanta decide to push "mental health" legislation in 2014. Bad stuff

We definitely don't want to deprive people like Holmes, Cho, Loughner, Kazmierczak and Lanza of their guns. No Siree.

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[kelpdiver 2]

kallend

We definitely don't want to deprive people like Holmes, Cho, Loughner, Kazmierczak and Lanza of their guns. No Siree.

yes sir, prior restraint is a wonderful tool for maintaining society.

[davjohns 1]

Too much opinion. Not enough fact.

The way it was written, I'm not sure there was a reasonable expectation of severe physical injury that would justify lethal force. The article states that all Georgia requires is a much lesser standard for use of deadly force. I haven't researched that, but would be very surprised if the law was correctly stated.

The way the article was written, I am not convinced the Sheriff declared this SYG or that there was a good shooting. Too much is left out. Arguing a conclusion without key facts is folly.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[wmw999 2,175]

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Arguing a conclusion without key facts is folly.

You're new around here, aren't you?

Wendy P.

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[davjohns 1]

I do seem to enjoy hitting that wall with my head, don't I?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[kallend 1,679]

kelpdiver

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We definitely don't want to deprive people like Holmes, Cho, Loughner, Kazmierczak and Lanza of their guns. No Siree.

yes sir, prior restraint is a wonderful tool for maintaining society.

It certainly would have helped the victims of Holmes, Cho, Loughner, Kazmierczak and Lanza . I realize that you think the victims are just acceptable collateral damage.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 58]

kallend

***Georgia Gun Owners, Inc.
There are pushes in dozens of states across the country for new "mental health mandates" that could disarm millions of gun owners nationwide. Georgia gun owners should be on guard and prepared to fight back if Republicans in the General Assembly in Atlanta decide to push "mental health" legislation in 2014. Bad stuff

We definitely don't want to deprive people like Holmes, Cho, Loughner, Kazmierczak and Lanza of their guns. No Siree.

It is difficult to predict the behavior of people with mental illness. The only reasonable protection is for responsible folks to be armed and trained.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.