It's curtains for the new healthcare plan

[davjohns 1]

You allude to the elusive.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[kallend 1,644]

wmw999

And the elision of either is 'lusion

Wendy P.

Positively Elysian.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Boomerdog 0]

It's curtains for the new health care plan?

It's certainly my hope but never underestimate the all too frequent gullability of the American People toward their elcted political leaders.

[billvon 2,426]

>It's curtains for the new health care plan? It's certainly my hope . . . .

Might be a vanishing hope. It's been around for a while now. Fortunately republicans support it strongly, which helped it succeed:

Joe Barton (R-TX): “This is a huge undertaking and there are going to be glitches. My goal is the same as yours: Get rid of the glitches. The committee will work closely with yourself and Dr. Mark McClellan at CMS to get problems noticed and solved.”

Tim Murphy (R-PA): “Any time something is new, there is going to be some glitches. All of us, when our children were new, well, we knew as parents we didn’t exactly know everything we were doing and we had a foul-up or two, but we persevered and our children turned out well. No matter what one does in life, when it is something new in learning the ropes of it, it is going to take a little adjustment.”

Michael Burgess (R-TX): “ . . .Seniors who signed up for Medicare those first days back in 1965 when they were 65 years of age are now 106 years of age waiting for that prescription drug benefit, so I hope it doesn’t take us that long to get this right and I don’t believe that it will. And I do believe that fundamentally it is a good plan.”

Phil Gingrey (R-GA): “I delivered 5,200 babies, but this may be the best delivery that I have ever been a part of, Mr. Speaker, and that is delivering, as I say, on a promise made by former Congresses and other Presidents over the 45-year history of the Medicare program."

[lawrocket 3]

Bill:

Are you seriously blaming Republicans for this?

Or are you merely saying that the Democrats are just as incompetent as the Republicans?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[DanG 1]

It;s fairly obvious that Bill's saying Republicans are all for massive government intervention in healthcare when a Republican is in the White House, and dead set against it when there's a Democrat there.

- Dan G

[kallend 1,644]

DanG

It;s fairly obvious that Bill's saying Republicans are all for massive government intervention in healthcare when a Republican is in the White House, and dead set against it when there's a Democrat there.

Or in a governor's office. The Heritage Foundation is a perfect example.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,426]

>Are you seriously blaming Republicans for this?

No. Just pointing out that they would support Obamacare 100% if it were called Romneycare. (Which, ironically, it is based on.)

>Or are you merely saying that the Democrats are just as incompetent as
>the Republicans?

They're about equally incompetent.

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billvon

No. Just pointing out that they would support Obamacare 100% if it were called Romneycare. (Which, ironically, it is based on.)

Based on, as much as Basketball is based on Volleyball.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[billvon 2,426]

>Based on, as much as Basketball is based on Volleyball.

Basketball isn't based on volleyball at all.

However, if you used the example "as much as football is based on rugby" the analogy would make sense.

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billvon

>Based on, as much as Basketball is based on Volleyball.

Basketball isn't based on volleyball at all.

However, if you used the example "as much as football is based on rugby" the analogy would make sense.

Why? They both make use of round balls, nets, boundaries.

Just as Obamacare and Romneycare both make use of healthcare, pharmacies, and other people's money.

So they MUST be based on each other.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[billvon 2,426]

>Why? They both make use of round balls, nets, boundaries.

Right. But basketball was created as a completely new sport and was not based on volleyball.

Obamacare was based on Romneycare and uses much of the same techniques. From Wiki:

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In 2006, an insurance expansion bill was enacted at the state level in Massachusetts. The bill contained both an individual health insurance mandate and an insurance exchange. Republican Governor Mitt Romney vetoed the mandate, but after Democrats overrode his veto, he signed it into law. The bill enjoyed strong bipartisan support, including that of Senator Ted Kennedy. Romney's successful implementation of the 'Health Connector' exchange and individual mandate in Massachusetts was at first lauded by Republicans. During Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, Senator Jim DeMint praised Romney's ability to "take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured." Romney himself said of the individual mandate: "I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be the model for the nation."

In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called "State Health Help Agencies". The bill attracted bipartisan support but died in committee; however, many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.

By 2008 many Democrats were considering using this approach as the basis for comprehensive, national healthcare reform. Experts have pointed out that the legislation that eventually emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 bears many similarities to the 2007 bill and that it was deliberately patterned after Romney's state healthcare plan. Jonathan Gruber, a key architect of the Massachusetts reform who advised the Clinton and Obama presidential campaigns on their healthcare proposals, served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration and helped Congress draft the ACA.
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[rushmc 18]

quade

There has been no systemic "coverup" of Benghazi except in the minds of conspiracy theorists. None. Certainly no more so than 9/11. Get real.

If so, why are the survivors NOT allowed to talk to congress. and under a gag order from the state dept and are being force to take lie detector tests to prove they are not talking?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,426]

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If so, why are the survivors NOT allowed to talk to congress. and under a gag order from the state dept and are being force to take lie detector tests to prove they are not talking?

Rev. Wright. Socialist. Born in Kenya. Born in Indonesia.

[rushmc 18]

billvon

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If so, why are the survivors NOT allowed to talk to congress. and under a gag order from the state dept and are being force to take lie detector tests to prove they are not talking?

Rev. Wright. Socialist. Born in Kenya. Born in Indonesia.

Oh, I 'm sorry
I forgot you believe in man made global warming too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 622]

Apparently that's the only way to play the game.

It's not going to stop and a lot of folks seem to like that.


IMO, nothing positive will come out of DC until they stop acting like children.

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rushmc

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There has been no systemic "coverup" of Benghazi except in the minds of conspiracy theorists. None. Certainly no more so than 9/11. Get real.

If so, why are the survivors NOT allowed to talk to congress. and under a gag order from the state dept and are being force to take lie detector tests to prove they are not talking?

Why didn't they just kill them in the first place and ensured there would be no survivors?

[rushmc 18]

SkyDekker

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There has been no systemic "coverup" of Benghazi except in the minds of conspiracy theorists. None. Certainly no more so than 9/11. Get real.

If so, why are the survivors NOT allowed to talk to congress. and under a gag order from the state dept and are being force to take lie detector tests to prove they are not talking?

Why didn't they just kill them in the first place and ensured there would be no survivors?

Ah, I think your tin hat is too tight

At least what I posted has been raised in the news article

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mirage62 0]

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Bwahaha . . . uhm . . . he was against it . . . before he was for it.

As a spokeshole from the medical establishment he was vehemently against it. Maybe you've heard his recording where he says it's socialist and will cause America's downfall.

THEN, as President, he advocated for and expanded Medicaid tremendously.

So . . . he has quite a fucking lot to do with it.

Quade, Regan has been out of office 24 years, dead 9 years. He expanded Medicaid which most of you lefties should LOVE - but the position that Rep w love ACA if they were power is nuts - from Bill or you.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[quade 3]

Little know fact about English usage. Sometimes "the" article is not the definitive article you think it is.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 2,426]

>but the position that Rep w love ACA if they were power is nuts - from Bill or you.

The republicans would love the ACA if they were in power AND if it was proposed by a republican president. Just as they loved the Medicare expansion. (And yes, the democrats would be bitching to high heaven about how much the website sucked.)

[rushmc 18]

quade

Little know fact about English usage. Sometimes "the" article is not the definitive article you think it is.

I will bet that this is exactly what you were thinking when you posted about Zimmerman

Right

As to the topic comment

Take your pick

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

rushmc

At least what I posted has been raised in the news article

hopefully by media sources that are more diligent on fact checking than 60 Minutes.

[rushmc 18]

kelpdiver

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At least what I posted has been raised in the news article

hopefully by media sources that are more diligent on fact checking than 60 Minutes.

I hope so

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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kallend

***It;s fairly obvious that Bill's saying Republicans are all for massive government intervention in healthcare when a Republican is in the White House, and dead set against it when there's a Democrat there.

Or in a governor's office. The Heritage Foundation is a perfect example.

That's the funny thing about the federal versus state government and the Constitution. There are limits placed by the Constitution as to what the federal government can do.

Even I don't have a procedural issue. If Massachusetts wants to force its citizens to buy a case of beer a week, it doesn't violate the Constitution (so long as it doesn't force purchase of beer from a Massachusetts brewery). But if the feds commanded everyone to buy a case of beer per week, I'd have a HUGE Constitutional problem with that. Don't like the Mass law? Move to New Hampshire. It's a bit more difficult to move to leave the US.

That this difference is routinely ignored is shocking to me. Not surprising.

My wife is hotter than your wife.