Rioting over the zimmerman case should be an embarrasment to blacks

[rushmc 18]

tkhayes

I did read it. Did you read "The New Jim Crow"? It is filled with real data, real stats, real references to real stuff.

really.

The article talks about violent crime - and a narrow scope. The New Jim Crow deals with a systematic problem in America that targets people of color.

It is very obvious you dont have any idea of the facts of this case

You getting you info from MSNBC?

Oh
Never mind

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[turtlespeed 212]

billvon

>I cannot comprehend not being able to defend yourself from a violent attacker.

Martin knew what that felt like - at least for a few moments before he died.

I'm assuming that you mean AFTER he had beat the head of GZ on the concrete and broken his nose, right?

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[Andy9o8 0]

Threads like this give you an enormous erection, don't they?

Have you ever made a skydive?

[normiss 622]

Just to add one more Bill,

I do fully understand and accept that the other perspective is possible as well, both individuals clearly made some very bad decisions, and this could have very easily been avoided had they simply talked to each other.

Reasonable doubt and the evidence presented at trial as well as the jury decision lead me to believe that wasn't the case.

Either way, with the law, doubt goes to the accused.
We'll never know what happened.
"Fuck you man I'm here because I'm staying with my dad" could have possibly saved his life.

That doesn't remove the very real threat that does exist in the societies of today and the need for us to protect ourselves.
I cannot comprehend the loss of the right to defend ourselves.

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normiss

Wonder if he was wishing he had one of his guns during those moments...

I was always told not to start a fight I couldn't finish.

Where did you grow up?


Where I grew up to start a fight the first move wasn't turning and running away.......

lol.

[champu 1]

OHCHUTE

My kids actually had to pass entrance examinations before I had to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in college tuition.

Did you have a lot of kids or are they just really foolish with your money?

[airdvr 198]

Andy9o8

Threads like this give you an enormous erection, don't they?

Have you ever made a skydive?

I've made a skydive and had an erection...what do I win?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Kennedy

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Exactly which riots would you be writing about?

I dunno which ones he picked. The Oakland riot, the LA, riot, the NYC riot, the Baltimore riot, or the mass of idiocy that might be a riot in Florida.

http://m.nbclosangeles.com/nbclosangeles/pm_107879/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=n6d31j87
LA:

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Protesters marched through Los Angeles along Crenshaw Boulevard near Leimert Park on Monday night, the second night of protests following the acquittal of George Zimmerman in Florida. Aerial video caught some throwing rocks, attacking people and clashing with police.

Just before 10 p.m., the Los Angeles Police Department declared the protest an unlawful assembly and dispersed the gathering, an LAPD spokesman said. The area quickly cleared and officers detained several people.

A majority of protesters were gathered at Leimert Park (map), but a violent group has split off and walked up and down surrounding streets, rushing into businesses, attacking pedestrians and bicyclists and throwing objects at police.

Fires/arsons, random beatings, general demonstrations/protests, broken windows, looting, racial epithets and angry claims of justified retribution, yeah, that sounds like a riot to me.


You guys all realize there is a difference between protests and proper rioting, right?

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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turtlespeed

***>I cannot comprehend not being able to defend yourself from a violent attacker.

Martin knew what that felt like - at least for a few moments before he died.

I'm assuming that you mean AFTER he had beat the head of GZ on the concrete and broken his nose, right?

Maybe it's a good time to bring up Reginald Denny. So sorry Mr. Denny didn't have a 44 mag 6" pistol when he was drug from his truck for no good reason and beaten with a brick.

LIBERALS ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY THINK WE SHOULD JUST SIT BACK AND TAKE A BEATING.

It is our Constitutional right, plus the right of survival to protect ourselves and property. And liberals want to take that away from us.

Perhaps when the liberal has a coat hanger around their neck and a knife in their gut from a mugger they might have a change of opinion.

Here, since you enjoy getting beat, you can get off on this beating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc_SgpyJWRY

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And after the 18 year old beat Mr. Denny, he ended up murdering someone.

Liberals just love these individuals. So much that they're letting him out in 2019.

http://www.eurweb.com/2012/04/damien-football-williams-who-beat-trucker-reginald-denny-in-la-riots-breaks-silence/

[normiss 622]

East coast or West coast?

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tkhayes

I did read it. Did you read "The New Jim Crow"? It is filled with real data, real stats, real references to real stuff.

really.

The article talks about violent crime - and a narrow scope. The New Jim Crow deals with a systematic problem in America that targets people of color.

And how then does that negate the fact/notion that people from broken homes are more likely to break the law?

And since we're attacking sources just based on who they are, I roll my eyes at almost anything the NAACP endorses. Talk about a bunch of race baiters there.


Edit: Reading through her introduction, so far she's not saying anything that goes against what I've said. Her claim is that chapter 3 shows that blacks are not more likely to commit crimes. I don't know how she gets to that, but I would agree. On the surface it seems that they do, but as I said before, once you factor in the brokenness of homes, race disappears. In other words, blacks are no more likely to be criminals than whites (or any other race) once the total environment is taken into account.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

[toolbox 0]

I'm confused once again. Is Zimmerman a racist white hispanic who dated a african american girl and tutored african american children?
Or,is Zimmerman a racist hispanic white who dated a african American girl and tutored african American children?
He probably had some evil racist motive for making a formal complaint to the local police pertaining to their unfair treatment of a african american homeless man as well.

[billvon 2,407]

>"Fuck you man I'm here because I'm staying with my dad" could have possibly saved his life.

It also, through leading to the resulting altercation, ended his life. Like you said, we will never know.

>I cannot comprehend the loss of the right to defend ourselves.

What loss that came as a result of this trial, or from the enactment of the Stand Your Ground law, can you not comprehend?

[Kennedy 0]

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***Fires/arsons, random beatings, general demonstrations/protests, broken windows, looting, racial epithets and angry claims of justified retribution, yeah, that sounds like a riot to me.

You guys all realize there is a difference between protests and proper rioting, right?

To me, the simple difference is legality or committing "victimless" disorder crimes versus wanton damage to people and property. Leadership or lack thereof is also relevant, but less so.

wikipedia:
A riot (/ˈraɪət/) is a form of civil disorder characterized often by what is thought of as disorganized groups lashing out in a sudden and intense rash of violence against authority, property or people. While individuals may attempt to lead or control a riot, riots are thought to be typically chaotic and exhibit herd behavior,[1] and usually generated by civil unrest.

merriam-webster:
a : public violence, tumult, or disorder
b : a violent public disorder; specifically : a tumultuous disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled together and acting with a common intent

Mobs, arsons, looting, assaults, damage to property, hurling of racial epithets and threats, etc, did happen in many places. Some news crews have even been victimized while trying to cover the "protests" and "events".

Are you saying (A) they didn't happen, (B) they don't meet the definition of "riot", or (C) you have an alternate definition of riot, or (D) they're just not good enough for you so they don't count?

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[thomasismyname 0]

You hit that on the tip of the nail. Media persuades the way the world thinks.

[davjohns 1]

billvon

>I cannot comprehend not being able to defend yourself from a violent attacker.

Martin knew what that felt like - at least for a few moments before he died.

The evidence showed that Martin was the attacker. Are we talking about the same case?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[davjohns 1]

billvon

>perhaps he shouldn't have let his emotions get the best of him and left the ground and
>pound for another one of his hoodlum friends.

yep. If only he had had the brains to stay out of a white neighborhood.

The evidence showed it was a racially mixed neighborhood. TM's black father lived there as well as the racially mixed GZ.

Now, I'm certain we're talking about different cases. Can you provide a link to the one you are discussing so the rest of us can follow? Thanks!

Seriously, Bill...these two comments were not up to your usual standards. I often disagree with you. But I can at least see your point most of the time.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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[tkhayes 134]

I have plenty of knowledge of the facts of the case. You will notice, if you had bother reading my posts:

- I have no issue with the verdict
- I do have issue with assholes carrying guns
- Stand your grounds laws, while well intentioned, do actually get a lot of people killed unnecessarily. But no surprise that lawmakers are capable of writing bad laws
- black people are rioting because of racial disparity, and this case is another blow dealt to black people in general
- Racial disparity does actually exist in this country

Got none of that from MSNBC or anywhere else, "I dun thawt that up all by myself".... backing it up with real data of course, which you probably did not bother reading either.

[rushmc 18]

tkhayes

I have plenty of knowledge of the facts of the case. You will notice, if you had bother reading my posts:

- I have no issue with the verdict
- I do have issue with assholes carrying guns
- Stand your grounds laws, while well intentioned, do actually get a lot of people killed unnecessarily. But no surprise that lawmakers are capable of writing bad laws
- black people are rioting because of racial disparity, and this case is another blow dealt to black people in general
- Racial disparity does actually exist in this country

Got none of that from MSNBC or anywhere else, "I dun thawt that up all by myself".... backing it up with real data of course, which you probably did not bother reading either.

You skipped
race was not an issue in this case
the stand your ground law was not used in or by the defense
This case never should have went to trial as the police did their job correctly the first time around
This case was political, nothing more
It is still political
You dont like anyone carrying a gun so you would throw out the 2nd A if you could
The riots are being spun up by the biggests racists we have in this county. Them being, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson and all the others who make money off being disingenous to their own race for a buck

Hope this helps you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

Just to clarify...you have an issue with assholes carrying guns...what if we aren't an asshole? Who determines if we are an asshole and ineligible to carry a gun? Do we have to be adjudicated an asshole by a judge like the crazy people do?

I have to correct myself on something I stated previously. Apparently, there was evidence that race was a motivator in this case. I thought there wasn't. I just found out that moments before confronting GZ, TM told Rachel Jeantel that that he was being followed by a "cracker" or "cracka". So, there is evidence that TM was racially motivated. Sorry I stated the evidence incorrectly previously.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[tkhayes 134]

Race is MOST DEFINITELY an issue in this case, not as far as the trial goes, not as far as the verdict goes, but MOST DEFINITELY a cause for the protests and outrage by the colored community.

If GZ was black and TM was white, I expect the outcome would have been far different. Those types of bias in cases are spread all over the United States daily, you simply choose to ignore them.

Stand your ground, AND similar carry laws, do not make the country safer. The statistics in Florida on crime reduction are marginal at best. My point is that well intentioned laws allow assholes to carry guns and make life and death decisions. My point was CLEAR and UNDERSTANDABLE - to most, but of course not to you.

The case maybe should not have gone to trial - but it did. stop yer whining. yer whining sounds a lot like what you are complaining about now re: the protests. tit for tat.

EVERY case is political in case you had not noticed the legal system that we have here. LEGISLATORS (i.e. politicians) write the laws.

Throw out the 2nd amendment? I have never ever said that. Not once. I have also never said no one should carry guns. I think it is due for an overhaul, not abandonment. I am a gun owner. Where did you read that about me? On Fox news?

The protests are being fired up by the 'racists'. And the Koch Brothers are firing up anti-climate change rhetoric. whoopitty-doo. Not one is making you listen to it or participate.

[rushmc 18]

tkhayes

Race is MOST DEFINITELY an issue in this case, not as far as the trial goes, not as far as the verdict goes, but MOST DEFINITELY a cause for the protests and outrage by the colored community.

If GZ was black and TM was white, I expect the outcome would have been far different. Those types of bias in cases are spread all over the United States daily, you simply choose to ignore them.

Stand your ground, AND similar carry laws, do not make the country safer. The statistics in Florida on crime reduction are marginal at best. My point is that well intentioned laws allow assholes to carry guns and make life and death decisions. My point was CLEAR and UNDERSTANDABLE - to most, but of course not to you.

The case maybe should not have gone to trial - but it did. stop yer whining. yer whining sounds a lot like what you are complaining about now re: the protests. tit for tat.

EVERY case is political in case you had not noticed the legal system that we have here. LEGISLATORS (i.e. politicians) write the laws.

Throw out the 2nd amendment? I have never ever said that. Not once. I have also never said no one should carry guns. I think it is due for an overhaul, not abandonment. I am a gun owner. Where did you read that about me? On Fox news?

The protests are being fired up by the 'racists'. And the Koch Brothers are firing up anti-climate change rhetoric. whoopitty-doo. Not one is making you listen to it or participate.

IF the colors were changed this would not even be in the news
The rest is a wild ass guess on your part to try and defend your position
This trial was not about race
The race baiter have made it about race
What is real and what is supposed here is very different

Stand your ground was not used in the case so you have no point here
I am not winning about anything
The fact is a man was drug through court to satisfy those like you who sucked up the media narative

2nd A. What overhaul? YOU posted that assholes should not carry guns. Who determines who is that asshole? You? Fuck that

Now you go off topic because your position is not defensible
This has nothing to do with AGW or the Kock brothers. Shows desperation on your part

Sharpton, Jackson and Holder are fanning the flames of racism. They are putting those they claim to defend in harms way by doing so. The racist Kock brothers are those that I named Jackson, Sharpton and Holder as the first two at least make their money off of this kind of show

Shows you like to buy tickets for I guess

And stand your ground laws are a good thing
They do make places safer as does owning and carrying a gun

The most dangerous cities in this country are run by liberals with the strictest gun laws and that is fact

So yes, I do still think your primary news source is MSNBC

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

Hmmmm....

My little story.

When my paternal grandfather (caucasian male) was 69, he picked up his pension check one fine day and cashed part of it at the bank. He and his wife walked down the sidewalk to the library. They were unaware of the three twenty-somethings (black males) that saw what they had done and were following them.

At the library, one 20yo exited the vehicle and told my grandfather to give him the money. My grandfather asked, "what money"? The 20yo pulled a .32 revolver and shot my grandfather in the chest. My grandfather pulled a .22 revolver from his pocket and shot the 20yo. The other two men drove away.

My grandfather survived (barely). The newspapers reported that the black man approached a white man asking for money and the white man shot and killed the black man. There was no mention of age or the fact that the black man had a gun...let alone shot first. Words like robbery and theft were not used. It read as if a white man shot a homeless man. It did manage to give my grandfather's address and name.

After a few weeks in the hospital, my grandfather moved into a house he had never seen before. The father of the 20yo claimed racial motivation and got the young man's gang to promise they would kill my grandfather. He received death threats in the hospital until he was put under a false name. While he was in the hospital, we moved my grandmother and all of their possessions to a house owned by a fellow church member (under police escort). My grandfather had lived in his home for over 40 years. Their utilities were opened in my name. My grandfather went out very little after that.

You're going to have a difficult time convincing me that this case would have gone differently if the races were different. (I notice you insist GZ is white...also inconsistent with evidence.) If a black man were patrolling the neighborhood and called the police about a suspicious white man, lost the man, returned to his vehicle, was attacked by the white man, and defended himself with a weapon...not guilty. Just like the jurors found in this case. They followed the facts. It's the media and those crying 'foul' who are ignoring the facts.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.