NewGuy2005 51 #226 January 8, 2012 Quote Atheists will never understand faith until they grow enough balls to take the leap...to risk everything by going against everything you've known, everything that is natural....to risk everything to the point of being ridiculed, hated and despised the rest of your miserable life, if you are wrong. How many atheists keep quiet about it out of fear of the repercussions? I think you may have it backwards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #227 January 8, 2012 QuoteI'm sorry, that's all you get... It's vague but not incomprehensible...I already given you a hint, figure it out. I think you are just making up excuses when someone calls you out on your bullshit. What you wrote wasn't vague. Just stand up and say what you have to say and stand behind it. Quit being a baby. Christians aren't persecuted in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #228 January 8, 2012 QuoteQuote>Atheists will never understand faith until they grow enough balls to take the leap. And many religious will never consider atheism until they find the courage to face death. Ya, as if dying without having to face the consequences of your actions is so courageous...I bet any coward would just love that. Uh, you misunderstood his post. He means having the courage to face that death is the end; in other words, to not try to draw comfort from a belief in a hereafter, "better place", etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #229 January 8, 2012 Quote It's vague but not incomprehensible... It's comprehensible to you because you know what you mean. To the rest of us (if it doesn't mean what it clearly sounded like) it's gobbledegook. Quote I already given you a hint, figure it out. Pass, thanks. Your opinion is really not that important.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #230 January 8, 2012 QuoteChristians aren't persecuted in the US. I agree and have noted that several times in this forum and I haven't changed my mind, which is why you can be assured that's not what I was talking about.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #231 January 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>Atheists will never understand faith until they grow enough balls to take the leap. And many religious will never consider atheism until they find the courage to face death. Ya, as if dying without having to face the consequences of your actions is so courageous...I bet any coward would just love that. Uh, you misunderstood his post. He means having the courage to face that death is the end; in other words, to not try to draw comfort from a belief in a hereafter, "better place", etc. I didn't misunderstand. I was just saying that facing a death without consequences doesn't take any courage...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #232 January 8, 2012 Quote Quote Quote It's vague but not incomprehensible... It's comprehensible to you because you know what you mean. To the rest of us (if it doesn't mean what it clearly sounded like) it's gobbledegook. I said nothing about being persecuted specifically for your religion. I was giving a general description of what I feel a leap of faith entails...you guys are just making it complicated which is exatly why I'm not gonna cast my pearls before swine and share the specifics with you. You guys will just use selective quoting, twist my words and shit all over my family... Quote Quote I already given you a hint, figure it out. Pass, thanks. Your opinion is really not that important. I agree, so why all the commotion over this? Some people asked for clarification. If they care enough, they'll atleast try to figure it out. If not, who cares...I won't lose any sleep over it. Personally I enjoy it when things aren't spelled out for me. Besides I wasn't even talking to you...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #233 January 8, 2012 Quote I was giving a general description of what I feel a leap of faith entails... Right. You said it entails being hated, ridiculed and despised for the rest of your life. By which you quite obviously meant that taking a leap of faith does not entail being hated ridiculed and despised for the rest of your life. How naughty of us to twist your words away from that self evident truth! Quote You guys will just use selective quoting, twist my words and shit all over my family... I know that somehow, someway I'm supposed to know what that means but... dude, WTF?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #234 January 8, 2012 QuoteBesides I wasn't even talking to you... You were talking to me, and the only hint I got was that you feel persecuted. Well, actually it was a bit too explicit to be called a hint. And in my experience Christians (an Muslims too btw) feel persecuted really quickly. Christians sometimes even feel persecuted when they aren't allowed to persecute others any more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #235 January 8, 2012 >Ya, as if dying without having to face the consequences of your actions is >so courageous...I bet any coward would just love that. Many cowards cannot face death - so they imagine a heavenly reward that will allow them to live forever, and never have to face the end of their existence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #236 January 8, 2012 QuoteI was just saying that facing a death without consequences doesn't take any courage... Yes and Christians just have to accept Jesus as their lord and saviour to escaped death and/or any negative consequences of death. How courageous is that? Not very..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #237 January 8, 2012 It takes more courage than deluding yourself with some bullshit "I'm going to a happy place" story so you don't have to face your end."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #238 January 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteI was giving a general description of what I feel a leap of faith entails... Right. You said it entails being hated, ridiculed and despised for the rest of your life. No I didn't... Perhaps you're missing something...go back and try again.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #239 January 8, 2012 QuoteYou were talking to me, and the only hint I got was that you feel persecuted. No, the hint was me telling you I don't feel persecuted, no matter how many times you people say I do.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #240 January 8, 2012 Quote>Ya, as if dying without having to face the consequences of your actions is >so courageous...I bet any coward would just love that. Many cowards cannot face death - so they imagine a heavenly reward that will allow them to live forever, and never have to face the end of their existence. I'm sorry, I don't think I know anyone like that...you sure that's not a strawman?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #241 January 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteI was just saying that facing a death without consequences doesn't take any courage... Yes and Christians just have to accept Jesus as their lord and saviour to escaped death and/or any negative consequences of death. How courageous is that? Not very..... Sorry, the foundation of my faith is not based on my death...but that's a pretty cool perk, dontcha think?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #242 January 8, 2012 QuoteIt takes more courage than deluding yourself with some bullshit "I'm going to a happy place" story so you don't have to face your end. I'm sure you lie to yourself everyday about something or someone and delude yourself into believing you won't have to face judgement and pay the piper.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #243 January 8, 2012 >I'm sorry, I don't think I know anyone like that...you sure that's not a strawman? They exist as surely as your "atheists without the balls to take the leap to faith" exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #244 January 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt takes more courage than deluding yourself with some bullshit "I'm going to a happy place" story so you don't have to face your end. I'm sure you lie to yourself everyday about something or someone and delude yourself into believing you won't have to face judgement and pay the piper. I don't have to delude myself. I have faced my mortality head on...and I had a lot of time to think about it. I was supposed to die, and at no point did I resort to any of your bullshit delusions. That Piper you refer to is a myth that you created so that you wouldn't have to face your own death. That's cowardice."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #245 January 8, 2012 Whatever makes you sleep at night Babin...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #246 January 8, 2012 Quote Whatever makes you sleep at night Babin... ...and I sleep like a baby."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #247 January 8, 2012 Listening to you extol the virtues of Christianity is like listening to a 400 pound person singing the praises of weightwatchers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #248 January 8, 2012 Quote Listening to you extol the virtues of Christianity is like listening to a 400 pound person singing the praises of weightwatchers. Well, you knew the boy had issues when you saw his avatar..."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #249 January 8, 2012 QuoteListening to you extol the virtues of Christianity is like listening to a 400 pound person singing the praises of weightwatchers. I'll catch on one day...the important thing right now is for me not to give up.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #250 January 8, 2012 Quote Quote You guys will just use selective quoting, twist my words and shit all over my family... I know that somehow, someway I'm supposed to know what that means but... dude, WTF? The personal leap of faith that I was referring to involves my family...I'm not going to share that in this public forum because you people will shit all over it. I will save it for those who can appreciate it...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
