masterrig 1 #26 June 29, 2011 QuoteI hear he was also gay. And I've never seen his birth certificate. That probably came from his early days playing in Germany. He was 'expirimental' when it came to sex. According to what I've read in books about him. Then again... who cares. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #27 June 29, 2011 Quote Quote All this time, I thought he was British! Chuck No, he was from Liverpool. Well played Sir. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 June 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote I mean this is the guy who wrote "Imagine". What does that have to do with being democrat, republican or other? Let me know if you need it dissected for you. I will if I have time and you can't figure it out for yourself. Let me know. Quote Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one I am bettin you will not see that at any rally sponsored by the RNC with money from the Koch Brothers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #29 June 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote All this time, I thought he was British! Chuck No, he was from Liverpool. Isn't Liverpool in England? I don't think they like to claim the Scousers. Geeze... tough crowd! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #30 June 29, 2011 Quote Quote All this time, I thought he was British! Chuck No, he was from Liverpool. Ya' got me, there! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #31 June 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI mean this is the guy who wrote "Imagine". What does that have to do with being democrat, republican or other? Let me know if you need it dissected for you. I will if I have time and you can't figure it out for yourself. Let me know. I am familiar with the lyrics. Not sure why you are being an ass about it. It was a simple question but go ahead and dissect it for me. I know you are busy so take your time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyspanky 0 #32 June 29, 2011 Quote Republicans 1 : Journalism 0 I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Many of you people have a very skewed definition of what a republican is. GWB for instance was not a republican, he (his administration) had the Patriot act written up well before they got elected, they wanted to go to war with Iraq whether the people wanted it or not... That is not my debate, am pointing out that they are not actually republicans and there is nothing all that right wing about a republic. The USSR was a republic after all, and that takes us into another skewed definition poorly portrayed through false propaganda in the USA... Communism... The evil Communism by definition is about as republican as you get. The problem is that those posing as Republicans are really not for the people or the republic at all, they use the title as a pretence to gain acceptance. And those that are posing as communists are usually more of a dictatorship (ever read animal farm?). John Lennon was for the people, republicans are ‘supposed to be’ for the people. Why is it so hard to believe that John Lennon was a Republican? He was one of those Idiotic fringe lunatic weirdos like Ron Paul I suppose?What is wrong with our education system that people can allow themselves to have such a great misconception of reality? Quote re•pub•lic [ri-puhb-lik] Show IPA –noun 1. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them. 2. Any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth. 3. a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state. Back a hundred years ago, especially around Woodrow Wilson, what happened in this country is we took freedom and we chopped it into pieces. Ron Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #33 June 29, 2011 Quote I am familiar with the lyrics. Not sure why you are being an ass about it. It was a simple question but go ahead and dissect it for me. I know you are busy so take your time. Sorry, didn't mean to upset you. I'll try to be more sensitive with m y answers in the future. Did you still want me to dissect it for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #34 June 29, 2011 Quote Quote I am familiar with the lyrics. Not sure why you are being an ass about it. It was a simple question but go ahead and dissect it for me. I know you are busy so take your time. Sorry, didn't mean to upset you. I'll try to be more sensitive with m y answers in the future. Did you still want me to dissect it for you? Yes since you seem to have the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #35 June 29, 2011 Lennon was always a conservative and capitalist and made a lot of money with his image of peace and love and distribution of property. How about some examples? (1) The man who is about love ditched his son, leaving Paul to write "Hey Jude" (2) The man who sang about "No Possessions" filmed kicking a homeless man off of his country estate. (3) The man who talked about empowerment and no possessions moved to the US to escape high taxes in England. John Lennon was ALWAYS, at heart, greedy and self-centered. He maintained a public image that made him a lot of money. (Think of Al Gore, father of four, who in the last couple of weeks lectured on population control). There was always a difference between how Lennon wanted himself to be viewed and how he was. I know that when he took time off from music in the 70's he did learn to be a dad. He learned to be comfortable with himself and somewhat grew up. It's a shame that he was killed when he was approaching that point where he could be comfortable with who he was. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 June 29, 2011 Quotesuch a great misconception of reality? That would be your post, yes...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #37 June 29, 2011 >Then again... who cares. Lots of people. I mean, Paul McCartney was a walrus and/or was dead; look how many people got all hepped up about that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyspanky 0 #38 June 29, 2011 QuoteI am bettin you will not see that at any rally sponsored by the RNC with money from the Koch Brothers. And I don't think you will see those 'Kochs' acting very republican either.Back a hundred years ago, especially around Woodrow Wilson, what happened in this country is we took freedom and we chopped it into pieces. Ron Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyspanky 0 #39 June 29, 2011 Quote That would be your post, yes... Would you care to elaborate... I beleive you don't know what to think.Back a hundred years ago, especially around Woodrow Wilson, what happened in this country is we took freedom and we chopped it into pieces. Ron Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #40 June 29, 2011 Quote >Then again... who cares. Lots of people. I mean, Paul McCartney was a walrus and/or was dead; look how many people got all hepped up about that. Maybe, I'm amazed! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 June 29, 2011 QuoteQuote That would be your post, yes... Would you care to elaborate... I beleive you don't know what to think. Do some research on the founding fathers and their views/writings and you'll see the *many* errors in your prior post.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #42 June 29, 2011 He was a dope head hippy scouser, really who gives a shit.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 June 29, 2011 QuoteQuote That would be your post, yes... Would you care to elaborate... I beleive you don't know what to think. I completely disagree...I think quite a few of the usual suspects are fully capable of this discourse daily Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyspanky 0 #44 June 29, 2011 QuoteDo some research on the founding fathers and their views/writings and you'll see the *many* errors in your prior post. Be more specific man. Do you always have to hide behind ambiguity? Tell us your thoughts or don’t throw accusations around.Back a hundred years ago, especially around Woodrow Wilson, what happened in this country is we took freedom and we chopped it into pieces. Ron Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #45 June 29, 2011 QuoteHe was a dope head hippy scouser, really who gives a shit. I love some of his music. I don't really care about his political views one way or another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 June 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteDo some research on the founding fathers and their views/writings and you'll see the *many* errors in your prior post. Be more specific man. Do you always have to hide behind ambiguity? Tell us your thoughts or don’t throw accusations around. You state that Patriot was already written and that Bush was going to go to war with Iraq no matter what - feel free to provide some evidence to back your claim, because you sound like one of the '9/11 was an inside job' nuts at present. A republic as a form of government is not the same as a republican political ideology (republicanism). You try to equate the two and fail at doing so - kindly note the reference to Socialism in your example. Simply put, the precepts of Socialism/Communism are not the same as the precepts of Republicanism and your attempts to equate the two fail.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #47 June 29, 2011 Quote You state that Patriot was already written and that Bush was going to go to war with Iraq no matter what - feel free to provide some evidence to back your claim, because you sound like one of the '9/11 was an inside job' nuts at present. I suspect Janet Reno had already written up the Patriot Act, or at least a pretty decent draft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyspanky 0 #48 June 29, 2011 QuoteYou state that Patriot was already written and that Bush was going to go to war with Iraq no matter what - feel free to provide some evidence to back your claim, because you sound like one of the '9/11 was an inside job' nuts at present. Firstly, I used that as an example of the republican candidates being quite un-republican. The Act was drafted, edited and passed within 6 weeks of the attacks. None of the congressman that passed it actually read it, and its whopping 342 page content is very detailed indeed. The act. whether it was drafted previous to 9/11 or after in any case goes against the very principals of what is republican. I am not going to debate this point with you to be cornered into some ridicule, my point is that the bush Admin did not act in the interests of the republic. For your own interest here is a timeline of government movements on Iraq over the past 25 years... http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/IraqWarPart1-Timeline.pdf QuoteA republic as a form of government is not the same as a republican political ideology (republicanism). You try to equate the two and fail at doing so - kindly note the reference to Socialism in your example. Yes a republic is different to republican political ideal ology, but they are not completely irrelevant from each other. QuoteRepublicanism in the United States From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article is about a political and social philosophy. For the United States political party, see Republican Party (United States). Republicanism is the political value system that has been a major part of American civic thought since the American Revolution. It stresses liberty and inalienable rights as central values, makes the people as a whole sovereign, supports activist government to promote the common good, rejects inherited political power, expects citizens to be independent in their performance of civic duties, and vilifies corruption.[2] American republicanism was founded and first practiced by the Founding Fathers in the 18th century. This system was based on early Roman, Renaissance and English models and ideas.[3] It formed the basis for the American Revolution and the consequential Declaration of Independence (1776) and the Constitution (1787), as well as the Gettysburg Address. Republicanism is not the same as democracy, for republicanism asserts that people have unalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters. Since the 1830s when Alexis de Tocqueville warned about the "tyranny of the majority" in a democracy, advocates of the rights of minorities have warned that the courts needed to protect those rights by reversing efforts by voters to terminate the rights of an unpopular minority.[5] (This concern actually pre-dated de Tocqueveille by decades, and was the primary reason for the Bill of Rights, as protections for individuals and minority factions against the power of the democratically elected federal government.) "Republicanism" is derived from the term "republic", but the two words have different meanings, and people sometimes confuse them. "Republic" is a form of government and "republicanism" is a political ideology. Let me repeat the key point that you missed in all this... QuoteRepublicanism is not the same as democracy, for republicanism asserts that people have unalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters. This very paragraph explains how the patriot act is not republican, the usual republican candidates (aside from Ron Paul) are not very republican and that you are ignoring the principals of the forefathers. Maybe you should go back and read what they had to say about removing the rights of the American people... Quote A republic as a form of government is not the same as a republican political ideology (republicanism). You try to equate the two and fail at doing so - kindly note the reference to Socialism in your example. Simply put, the precepts of Socialism/Communism are not the same as the precepts of Republicanism and your attempts to equate the two fail. I was saying that it is possible to be communist and republican not that they are the same thing. I was also saying (and you missed the point) that the definitions of those terms are clearly misunderstood by most, including yourself. The only person I see in the political spotlight vilifying corruption is Ron Paul, evry other chump is too scared to lose their funding, Ron is funded by individuals and patriots, the rest of the circus are propped up by corporation… What is it that you do for a living? I am interested to learn how you fit into this picture… I am a self employed, small business owner. What are you?Back a hundred years ago, especially around Woodrow Wilson, what happened in this country is we took freedom and we chopped it into pieces. Ron Paul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #49 June 30, 2011 Funny how some people have problems with image vs reality. Funny how some people think that one must follow the other.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #50 June 30, 2011 Quote None of the congressman that passed it actually read it Talking about Obama's healthcare bill again? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
