Bolas 5 #26 January 18, 2011 Quote So we have four days that celebrate outstanding people. Two of them are not even US citizens. Get rid of them first, then argue to get rid of MLK day; you might get a little traction. >As Sen. East argued, to establish a special holiday just for King was to >"elevate him to the same level as the father of our country and above the many >other Americans whose achievements approach Washington's." That's a load of crap. Christmas is a special national holiday. So is Columbus Day. Does that mean that Columbus Day elevates Columbus to the same level as Jesus Christ? Ah yes, "we already have holidays for things we probably shouldn't so lets just add one more" AKA "rsther than fix it, let's just add to it." Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,417 #27 January 18, 2011 >Ah yes, "we already have holidays for things we probably shouldn't so lets >just add one more" AKA "rsther than fix it, let's just add to it." Not at all. I'm all for getting rid of holidays for non-Americans. Let's start with Christmas, then move on to Columbus. After that we'll get rid of MLK day and Washington's Birthday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #28 January 18, 2011 Quote We have MLK day for the same reason so many things are named JFK. At least MLK was an achiever. He accomplished the overthrow of the political system in the southern US. (As someone who was in school in 1969, I can describe its implementation. It was not as attractively one-sided as revisionist-history tv shows describe it.) JFK was a train wreck in every aspect of his life, politics included. MLK supported the idea of "integration". Giving equal opportunity to all citizens. That is an excellent idea. However, the new term is "diversity". it's opposite. That was never a term used by MLK. He wanted black Americans to have the opportunity to participate in American society, not sub-divide it. Instead, politicians have institutionalized the polarization of American society. Some aspects of integration have succeeded, in spite of the best efforts of those with vested interests in its failure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #29 January 18, 2011 This thread is nonsense. Why bring this into SC on it's day. Really?? If you have a problem with MLK Day why didn't you express it in July or August? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #30 January 18, 2011 Quote >Ah yes, "we already have holidays for things we probably shouldn't so lets >just add one more" AKA "rsther than fix it, let's just add to it." Not at all. I'm all for getting rid of holidays for non-Americans. Let's start with Christmas, then move on to Columbus. After that we'll get rid of MLK day and Washington's Birthday. So even though MLK was added last, it gets to stick around longer? This reminds me alot of gay marriage. Rather than fix what's wrong in the whole government concept of marriage vs. civil union, the rights, benefits, and privileges it allows, gays are trying to get the same broken government concept applied to them which just perpetuates rather than allows us to truly change for the better and evolve.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 198 #31 January 18, 2011 So your contention is politics had nothing to do with it? Wow.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,417 #32 January 18, 2011 >So even though MLK was added last, it gets to stick around longer? ?? No. Christmas has been around for 130 years as a national holiday. Even if you cancel it tomorrow, it will still have been a holiday far longer than MLK day for decades to come. >This reminds me alot of gay marriage. Rather than fix what's wrong in >the whole government concept of marriage vs. civil union, the rights, >benefits, and privileges it allows, gays are trying to get the same broken >government concept applied to them which just perpetuates rather than >allows us to truly change for the better and evolve. How is honoring someone "what's wrong in government?" How does observing Washington's birthday make the government "broken?" But in any case, if you really want to get behind canceling Christmas, go for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,417 #33 January 18, 2011 >So your contention is politics had nothing to do with it? Nope. And I can't believe you think Columbus is at the same level as Jesus Christ! (See? Two can play the strawman game!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #34 January 18, 2011 Quote>So your contention is politics had nothing to do with it? Nope. And I can't believe you think Columbus is at the same level as Jesus Christ! (See? Two can play the strawman game!) And once again - you prove that if one idea doesn't support you belief then , buy all means lets go to the extreme other side and that will make your point. Right. So to recap - You say that Christmas isn''t a federal holiday - yet you then claim it is and that it has the same connection as Columkbus day. OK - fine - what about New Years Day? Seems that is a federal holidy too. Friday, December 31, 2010* New Year’s Day Monday, January 17 Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. Monday, February 21** Washington’s Birthday Monday, May 30 Memorial Day Monday, July 4 Independence Day Monday, September 5 Labor Day Monday, October 10 Columbus Day Friday, November 11 Veterans Day Thursday, November 24 Thanksgiving Day Monday, December 26*** Christmas Day I do believe that New Years day was around A LOT LONGER than MLK.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 January 18, 2011 QuoteSome of his statements on the issue: "Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic." "A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro." "Within common law we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs.... And you will remember that America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans after the war." "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.'" "I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood." "This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day."Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #36 January 18, 2011 Quote My question is why isn't Hanaukka a national holiday. That would be sweet! probably even more biblical than what christmas has become. Hanaukka rocks! We could still decorate with lights! Eight crazy nights! The world would probably collapses after eight days of partying...but skrew it...we'll just have a Jubilee!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #37 January 18, 2011 Quote Quote My question is why isn't Hanaukka a national holiday. That would be sweet! probably even more biblical than what christmas has become. Hanaukka rocks! We could still decorate with lights! Eight crazy nights! The world would probably collapses after eight days of partying...but skrew it...we'll just have a Jubilee! Or - maybe we could all live in harmony and would not have to suicide bomb anyone.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #38 January 18, 2011 Quote Quote Quote My question is why isn't Hanaukka a national holiday. That would be sweet! probably even more biblical than what christmas has become. Hanaukka rocks! We could still decorate with lights! Eight crazy nights! The world would probably collapses after eight days of partying...but skrew it...we'll just have a Jubilee! Or - maybe we could all live in harmony and would not have to suicide bomb anyone. Dude...I love you, but you're such a buzz kill! Listen...I'l be going to Detroit next month to deal with the muslims peacefully...all is good!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #39 January 18, 2011 QuoteThis thread is nonsense. Why bring this into SC on it's day. Really?? If you have a problem with MLK Day why didn't you express it in July or August? Well, OK....I have a problem with Dec. 21, 2012. Let's make it a holiday so I don't have to work on the day I die. How's that?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #40 January 18, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote My question is why isn't Hanaukka a national holiday. That would be sweet! probably even more biblical than what christmas has become. Hanaukka rocks! We could still decorate with lights! Eight crazy nights! The world would probably collapses after eight days of partying...but skrew it...we'll just have a Jubilee! Or - maybe we could all live in harmony and would not have to suicide bomb anyone. Dude...I love you, but you're such a buzz kill! Listen...I'l be going to Detroit next month to deal with the muslims peacefully...all is good! It's not just the muslims. I wasn't stereotyping, were you?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #41 January 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis thread is nonsense. Why bring this into SC on it's day. Really?? If you have a problem with MLK Day why didn't you express it in July or August? Well, OK....I have a problem with Dec. 21, 2012. Let's make it a holiday so I don't have to work on the day I die. How's that? Sorry that might qualify as a religious holiday, and that eez noot ah loudt.!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #42 January 18, 2011 Quote Quote We have MLK day for the same reason so many things are named JFK. At least MLK was an achiever. politics and speech making are fine, but true "achievement" is invention - I'd rather see George Washington Carver or Thomas Edison day for contribution to the people. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #43 January 18, 2011 Quote>How is honoring someone "what's wrong in government?" How is having separate rights for one group of people (married) different than the rights for another group (single) a great idea? I know that in a lot of circles, treating citizens differently is expected and encouraged, but really..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #44 January 18, 2011 Quote Quote Quote We have MLK day for the same reason so many things are named JFK. At least MLK was an achiever. politics and speech making are fine, but true "achievement" is invention - I'd rather see George Washington Carver or Thomas Edison day for contribution to the people. Why don't we have an "Arthur Guinness " Day then?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,417 #45 January 18, 2011 >How is having separate rights for one group of people (married) different >than the rights for another group (single) a great idea? It's not. Now, back to the topic at hand . . . How is honoring someone an example of what's wrong in government? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #46 January 18, 2011 Quote It's not just the muslims. I wasn't stereotyping, were you? Ya, I guess I was. I caught that after I posted but didn't deem it necessary to edit. Glad I got that out of the way. I don't think that would've gone over to well back home.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,417 #47 January 18, 2011 >And once again - you prove that if one idea doesn't support you belief >then , buy all means lets go to the extreme other side and that will make >your point. Right. ** whoosh ** >So to recap - You say that Christmas isn''t a federal holiday Christmas is a Federal holiday. So is Columbus day. >yet you then claim it is and that it has the same connection as >Columkbus day. No, it doesn't. Claiming that it does is akin to claiming that MLK day "elevates him to the same level" as George Washington. Pretty silly, eh? >OK - fine - what about New Years Day? Seems that is a federal holidy too. Yes, it is. Doesn't honor a person, but it is indeed a Federal holiday. >I do believe that New Years day was around A LOT LONGER than MLK. Yep. And if you want to get rid of New Years day, go for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #48 January 18, 2011 Quote Yep. And if you want to get rid of New Years day, go for it. Why are you even considering that I want to get rid of anything? Where did you come up with that assumption?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #49 January 18, 2011 Quote Quote Quote We have MLK day for the same reason so many things are named JFK. At least MLK was an achiever. politics and speech making are fine, but true "achievement" is invention - I'd rather see George Washington Carver or Thomas Edison day for contribution to the people. i totally agree. unfortunately, fanfare and awards are often guided into becoming political tools, rather than signposts of lifetime work and real contribution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #50 January 18, 2011 Quote Quote Yep. And if you want to get rid of New Years day, go for it. Why are you even considering that I want to get rid of anything? Where did you come up with that assumption presumption? Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
