Lucky... 0 #26 October 3, 2008 Quote Quote palin did not answer one thing she just talked and talked omg she didn't shut up That's funny, that's what I see Obama doing all the time... Oh here we go agian, comparing a VP candidate to a pres candidate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misslmperfect 0 #27 October 3, 2008 i know biden agreed. that wasn't what i meant...i just feel that marriage is a "right" and she does not support that particular right, yet she supports equal rights. clearly gay people aren't equal if denied that right. that's all. and i know that people do talk that way. i live in texas. i just don't buy it from her. who exactly does "joe six pack" refer to? sounds a bit derogatory to me. but that's just me.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #28 October 3, 2008 QuoteI think they both did better than what people expected. Clearly Biden was more polished and seasoned as someone with 35 years in the senate should be. I think Biden won the debate overall but they both won in what they set out to do. Right or wrong I think McCain/Palin gained more from this debate because of the lower expectations of Palin. In the end I think the result of this debate is that it will keep the race competitive and not a run away. I agree that she won in the slim context that she was supposed to be a trainwreck and she wasn't. She was bad in that she kept dodging questions, but not horrible as expected. But the early polls show he won. I think in the end it won't change the general poll a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #29 October 3, 2008 QuoteI think Biden won the debate, but he didn't cover the spread. Fair enough. BTW, what was that ceazy hair in here left eye doing the first half of teh debate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #30 October 3, 2008 Quotei know biden agreed. that wasn't what i meant...i just feel that marriage is a "right" and she does not support that particular right, yet she supports equal rights. clearly gay people aren't equal if denied that right. that's all. I can see that argument, although I disagree. My point is that you use your view to oppose Palin while Biden said the same thing. Quotewho exactly does "joe six pack" refer to? sounds a bit derogatory to me. but that's just me It sure as shit isn't me. Joe Normal. Joe 10-pounds-overweight. Joe Drinks-too-much. Those are better. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #31 October 3, 2008 I gotta agree with Mike here, and that's not gonna happen that often regarding this election. The baby will be no worse for wear, they just konk out anywhere if they need to. I cannot see why a sibling shouldn't be holding it. A non-issue. I didn't see any baby, since I listened to the debate on the web. I found it interesting 4 years ago to first listen (streaming or radio), without seeing all the expressions, camera shots, crowds, etc. That way I could really listen to what was being said with minimal distractions for my initial impressions and analysis. Later that night, I could see the re-broadcast on TV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #32 October 3, 2008 Quote... who exactly does "joe six pack" refer to? sounds a bit derogatory to me. but that's just me. It is derogatory, in an elitist way. Or may she was just talking about her husband. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misslmperfect 0 #33 October 3, 2008 what i opposed is that she said she does not support gay marriage which,as far as i'm concerned, is a right, but then spoke quite loudly about her belief in equal rights. had biden made that comment, believe me i'd have commented on him, too. i am not a decided voter. i've never voted republican but that doesn't mean i won't. granted, if anything were going to keep me from voting mccain, it would be palin. i just fundamentally disagree with her on too many issues.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MADPROPS 0 #34 October 3, 2008 QuoteQuotepalin did not answer one thing she just talked and talked omg she didn't shut up That's funny, I see Obama answering Qs all the time... there fixed it for you. i didn't want people to think you really ment to say thatlive and let live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #35 October 3, 2008 Quote I gotta agree with Mike here, and that's not gonna happen that often regarding this election. The baby will be no worse for wear, they just konk out anywhere if they need to. I cannot see why a sibling shouldn't be holding it. A non-issue. I didn't see any baby, since I listened to the debate on the web. I found it interesting 4 years ago to first listen (streaming or radio), without seeing all the expressions, camera shots, crowds, etc. That way I could really listen to what was being said with minimal distractions for my initial impressions and analysis. Later that night, I could see the re-broadcast on TV.Mannerisms speak volumes. You should of watched it as well as listened. I equate her w/ Edith Bunker.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #36 October 3, 2008 QuoteMannerisms speak volumes. You should of watched it as well as listened. As I said, do both, but listen first. Then, watch the re-broadcast. Much more informative that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #37 October 3, 2008 I said in another thread the biggest problem I had with the format was Gwen was scared shitless about appearing biased. I could have moderated that "debate".Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #38 October 3, 2008 QuoteI said in another thread the biggest problem I had with the format was Gwen was scared shitless about appearing biased. I could have moderated that "debate". Yeah - not once did she really insinuate herself to press Palin to answer the goddam question, as a skillful moderator shoudl. Although frankly Biden could have pressed her harder on that, too, but he also didn't do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #39 October 3, 2008 what was the deal??? with the very very start of the evening, when the Candidates first walked on stage, and shook hands????She said, very loudly and clearly, "is it OK if i call you JOE"??? Huh???The guy is a Senator for decades,,,, a job which requires constant RE-Election..... and which deserves a certain amount of Respect....like him or not... and Palin wants to call him JOE!???. as if he's the local butcher, or Mailman??THAT line sounded,, awfully Coached.... and inserted as a quick jab. to start her off on a positive...literally putting Him in an awkward spot.... i so would have enjoyed it,, if Biden had responded... "NO... please call me Senator"... since he's earned that title... i know I know.. i'm being petty.. but that question of hers,, sounded Sooooo NON spontaneous,,, and planned.... and I didn't care for the "casual" atmosphere it was trying to create.... This is serious business,, not a picnic at the park.... i didn't much care for her "folksiness"... and If she's gonna say NUKE-U-Lar.....That alone,, makes my skin crawl.........ImHO jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #40 October 3, 2008 So it was as bad as his repeatedly referring to McCain as John then. That bothered me too. This whole "first name basis" thing this time around bugs me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alw 0 #41 October 3, 2008 Quote i would have liked to see her respond to biden's constant mention of mccain's voting record. i think it made her look worse by not addressing it at all, but then, what could she really say? I think alot of people saw it that way, but then they weren't noticing that Biden got alot of that wrong (fact-check). He lost the fact-check-o-meter, though Palin made some mistakes as well. Two things that come to me on this topic. 5+ term senator convincingly mis-stating the facts is very "Inside the Beltway". And, Rookie Governor that is getting better very fast (like Obama did when he started running 19 months ago). --------------------------------------------- Every day is a bonus - every night is an adventure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #42 October 3, 2008 hmmmmm well Biden IS a contemporary and colleague to Senator McCain, and sure THEY could have been on "first name basis" years ago... But this was different... She really isn't a colleague, hell according to what He said.. they only JUST met... again, it just seemed a little too "chummy" to me... AND too choreographed....that's all. jimmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #43 October 3, 2008 Quote what was the deal??? with the very very start of the evening, when the Candidates first walked on stage, and shook hands????She said, very loudly and clearly, "is it OK if i call you JOE"??? Huh???The guy is a Senator for decades,,,, a job which requires constant RE-Election..... and which deserves a certain amount of Respect....like him or not... and Palin wants to call him JOE!???. as if he's the local butcher, or Mailman??jmy It was obvious to me that by her asking if she could call him Joe was so she could use her funny line "Say it ain't so, Joe" and refer to Joe 6 pack later. Once he said "sure" then all she had to do is find a place to plug in the phrases. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #44 October 3, 2008 The Democrats, Republicans, and Media were there ... but where were the other parties?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #45 October 3, 2008 being the best of friends with someone in those positions should not over-ride the proper way to address someone in a public forum such as a debate. IMO anyway...bugged me when Obama did it, when Palin did it, and when Joe did it. You don't address a Commander with his first name, you don't do it to those in political office. It's proper decorum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #46 October 3, 2008 What I found interesting (funny?) was the results of some of the networks questions as to who won the debate last night. On screen last night FoxNews had Palin winning the debate at 88%. MSNBC was lopsided for Biden at about the same numbers. Here are the final numbers from some of the larger firms, I'm not sure what caused the results to change for Fox. CNN/Opinion Research Biden 51 Palin 36 CBS Biden 46 Palin 21 Fox Biden 61 Palin 39Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #47 October 3, 2008 It's very challenging to get any decent information from the mass media here. I'm sure they're not biased in the least. I'm thinking polls are worthless - maybe people feed into them with wrong answers on purpose? "Who are you voting for?" "Superman!" = "undecided" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #48 October 3, 2008 Quote You're right - success for Palin was that she didn't disintegrate on camera. That has become the key to politics in America. Set the standard so low that when you occasionally do not fuck up it seems like a miracle, and everyone wants to celebrate. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #49 October 3, 2008 Quote What I found interesting (funny?) was the results of some of the networks questions as to who won the debate last night. On screen last night FoxNews had Palin winning the debate at 88%. MSNBC was lopsided for Biden at about the same numbers. That poll on fox was based on text messages from viewers. Obviously the fox fan base is heavily republican. I don't know what MSNBC's was based on, since I was watching Fox and CNN. I can't fucking stand MSNBC. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #50 October 3, 2008 Quote Quote You're right - success for Palin was that she didn't disintegrate on camera. That has become the key to politics in America. Set the standard so low that when you occasionally do not fuck up it seems like a miracle, and everyone wants to celebrate. This is what bugs me. The fact is that there are smart candidates out there. But what so many people want is someone who isn't too smart. Because that would make them an "elitist." People are so overly obsessed with the candidate being folksy & someone you'd want to have a beer with, that what you sometimes get are candidates who are just at the bare minimum intelligence level for the job. In order to get elected, you have to cater to anti-intellectualism. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
