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And, I think people should vote for themselves, not what party they consider themselves a part of.

then why is your Original Post all about the party and nothing about the individuals?

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[billvon 2,406]

>I thought america was supposed to be capitalist country.

Less and less so as time goes on. And that's a problem with both parties; they are both leading us down the road to socialism.

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But, but, but...... he got a BJ and lied about it..

I have no problem with the BJ, I have a problem with Purjury.

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>Phil Gramm is not running for president. Back on topic please.

Funny, neither is Michelle Obama.

Michelle getting a raise isn't the issue. Barrack requesting funds(taxpayers' money) for a company that just recently gave his wife a 270% raise is. This is a major issue I have with voters today. We'll dismiss obvious corruption among our politicians based on what letter comes after their names.

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Point being I don't want a socialist country. Thanks!

What makes you think the current system we have is all that different from whatever "socialist" country you are thinking of that you don't want us to be like?

We already have a HUGELY socialized government; we just don't call it that. Most people like the parts of the socialized system that benefit them and for some reason don't call that part socialized, but anything they don't like (or more properly don't want to pay for) they they bitch and moan about right up until the moment it benefits them then . . . for some reason . . . suddenly they're all for it.

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[billvon 2,406]

>Michelle getting a raise isn't the issue. Barrack requesting funds(taxpayers'
>money) for a company that just recently gave his wife a 270% raise is.

Ah.

Then Phil Gramm's getting over a million dollars from industry for deregulation legislation isn't the issue. McCain's choice of him for his chief economic advisor is.
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McCain's Econ brain
Economic conservatives take heart: Phil Gramm is influencing the candidate's platform.

Former Senator Phil Gramm is McCain's economic adviser - and perhaps his closest political friend.

NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Now that the faltering economy has replaced national security as the overriding issue in the presidential campaign, John McCain is portraying himself as a budget-shrinking, flat-tax-embracing, healthcare-privatizing champion of free markets. But is this Reaganesque zealot the real John McCain?

The big question is whether McCain's radical agenda is simply designed to rally the Republican base, or would prove a blueprint for a McCain presidency. Given the Arizona Senator's maverick record, voters have every reason to distrust the new McCain. He twice opposed the Bush tax cuts and keeps dropping disturbing lines like, "I don't know as much about the economy as I should."

But economic conservatives should take heart. McCain's chief economic adviser - and perhaps his closest political friend - is the ultimate pure play in free market faith, former Texas Senator Phil Gramm. If McCain follows Gramm's counsel, and most of his current positions are vintage Gramm indeed, his policies as president would represent not just a sharp departure from the Bush years, but an assault on government growth that Republicans have boasted about, but failed to achieve, for decades.
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John McCain's Gramm Gamble
The GOP presidential nominee is relying on the ex-senator who helped bring you the mortgage crisis and Rick Perry.
Patricia Kilday Hart

In the early evening of Friday, December 15, 2000, with Christmas break only hours away, the U.S. Senate rushed to pass an essential, 11,000-page government reauthorization bill. In what one legal textbook would later call “a stunning departure from normal legislative practice,” the Senate tacked on a complex, 262-page amendment at the urging of Texas Sen. Phil Gramm.

There was little debate on the floor. According to the Congressional Record, Gramm promised that the amendment—also known as the Commodity Futures Modernization Act—along with other landmark legislation he had authored, would usher in a new era for the U.S. financial services industry.

“The work of this Congress will be seen as a watershed where we turned away from an outmoded Depression-era approach to financial regulation and adopted a framework that will position our financial services industry to be world leaders into the new century,” Gramm said.

Watershed indeed. With the U.S. economy now battered by a tsunami of mortgage foreclosures, the $30-billion Bear Stearns Companies bailout and spiking food and energy prices, many congressional leaders and Wall Street analysts are questioning the wisdom of the radical deregulation launched by Gramm’s legislative package. Financial wizard Warren Buffett has labeled the risky new investment instruments Gramm unleashed “financial weapons of mass destruction.” They have fed the subprime mortgage crisis like an accelerant. While his distracted peers probably finalized their Christmas gift lists, Gramm created what Wall Street analysts now refer to as the “shadow banking system,” an industry that operates outside any government oversight, but, as witnessed by the Bear Stearns debacle, requiring rescue by taxpayers to avert a national economic catastrophe.

While the nation’s investment bankers are paying a heavy price for their unbridled greed (in billions of dollars of write-offs), Gramm has fared quite nicely. He currently serves as a vice president at UBS AG, a colossal, Swiss-owned investment bank, the post, no doubt, a thank you for assiduously looking out for Wall Street interests during his 23 years in public office. Now, with the aid of his longtime friend Arizona Sen. John McCain, Gramm may be looking at a quantum leap in power and influence.

Gramm serves as co-chair of the McCain 2008 presidential campaign. As one of the candidate’s chief economic advisers, he is mentioned as a possible secretary of the treasury in a McCain administration. Their friendship was forged in the Senate as they worked against the Clinton health care proposal, and cemented when McCain served as national chairman of Gramm’s own (ill-fated) 1996 presidential bid.

During McCain’s rocky road to the nomination, it was Gramm as much as anyone who helped smooth the way. Last July, when it looked as though McCain’s campaign would go bankrupt, Gramm, who once called money “the mother’s milk of politics,” advised him to slash his costs and assisted him with fundraising. Throughout the marathon primary season, Gramm has made numerous appearances with McCain and served as an ambassador to conservative groups. This spring, when conservative commentators attacked McCain as too liberal, McCain shored up his conservative bona fides by (according to The Huffington Post) bringing Gramm to a meeting with the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal.
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And, I think people should vote for themselves, not what party they consider themselves a part of. That is why I suggested watching 60 minutes clips on Yahoo so people can make INFORMED decisions, not just listen to my opinion.

Your subject line says "Please vote for Obama", not "Please do your research so you can make an informed decision, but above all VOTE!".

I've not seen the 60 minutes clips you're talking about. I watched both conventions as well as the debates. I'll keep my opinions to myself because I believe its rude to force politics (and religion) on others, but if you're concerned that people aren't paying attention and doing research, you can rest a little easier now. I'm good.

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Normiss and Hotamaly,

Why after watching that debate do you think McCain will make a better president?[/reply
I don't trust 60 minutes either. They have a way of slanting things "their" way.

If I had my way, I'd be voting for Ron Paul.

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[normiss 622]

I don't see an independent having a chance with our current structure of election.
Now if the popular vote were to be worth anything....

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>Michelle getting a raise isn't the issue. Barrack requesting funds(taxpayers'
>money) for a company that just recently gave his wife a 270% raise is.

Ah.

Then Phil Gramm's getting over a million dollars from industry for deregulation legislation isn't the issue. McCain's choice of him for his chief economic advisor is.
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So rather than dispute my accusations the Obamas are corrupt you justify it by pointing out a McCain advisor is corrupt?

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If I had my way, I'd be voting for Ron Paul.

If I had my way I'd be voting for Abe Lincoln. That said, he's not really an option either.

You can't vote for just anybody you want; not and make any real difference. To do that you have to vote from among the people that are actually in the race.

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>Michelle getting a raise isn't the issue. Barrack requesting funds(taxpayers'
>money) for a company that just recently gave his wife a 270% raise is.

Ah.

Then Phil Gramm's getting over a million dollars from industry for deregulation legislation isn't the issue. McCain's choice of him for his chief economic advisor is.
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So rather than dispute my accusations the Obamas are corrupt you justify it by pointing out a McCain advisor is corrupt?

That is SOP here in SC.

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[billvon 2,406]

>So rather than dispute my accusations the Obamas are corrupt . . .

I wasn't disputing any allegations. I was disputing the GOP argument that Michelle Obama's activities are damning to Barack Obama, but Phil Gramm's activities have nothing to do with John McCain.

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Let's just agree that they are all corrupt in some fashion or another. Just like we are all human and make mistakes too. That set aside, who is going to make things worse and who is going to have a chance at making things better?

I think at the very least from current history, we need a change in the status quo.

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No, I'll never vote for Obama.

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[SkyDekker 1,130]

After 8 years of a Republican running the country completely into the ground.....why would anybody want to give the Republican party another 4 years at the helm?

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>So rather than dispute my accusations the Obamas are corrupt . . .

I wasn't disputing any allegations. I was disputing the GOP argument that Michelle Obama's activities are damning to Barack Obama, but Phil Gramm's activities have nothing to do with John McCain.

That's just it. It wasn't Michelle Obama's activity. Barrack was directly involved. While McCain demonstrates apathy or a lapse in judgement when he took on Gramm as an advisor, he was not involved with the corrupt act. That being said, after McCain's 30 years in the Senate shouldn't you being able to come up with a more compelling argument that McCain is corrupt?

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After 8 years of a Republican running the country completely into the ground.....why would anybody want to give the Republican party another 4 years at the helm?

Do you really expect anything different from true believers??

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Let's just agree that they are all corrupt in some fashion or another. Just like we are all human and make mistakes too. That set aside, who is going to make things worse and who is going to have a chance at making things better?

I think at the very least from current history, we need a change in the status quo.

So when someone points out your candidate is corrupt you want us to assume they are all corrupt? What happened to being less ignorant and more informed?

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Do you have a problem with McCain's advisor Phil Gramm sponsoring a law that benefitted Enron, while his wife worked for Enron?

I work with Enron, I knew Enron and sir Enron is no Fannie Mae

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That's just it. It wasn't Michelle Obama's activity. Barrack was directly involved. While McCain demonstrates apathy or a lapse in judgement when he took on Gramm as an advisor, he was not involved with the corrupt act. That being said, after McCain's 30 years in the Senate shouldn't you being able to come up with a more compelling argument that McCain is corrupt?

The US is about to socialize the financial system, is fighter a War in Iraq because it sounded good to PNAC and is basically completely out of money. Trillions we are talking about.

But you don't like Obama cause his wife got a couple of thousand dollars more.

I think it may be wise to look at a bigger picture.

[billvon 2,406]

>It wasn't Michelle Obama's activity. Barrack was directly involved.

No, he wasn't. No one can show any evidence that he got any money for anyone as a result of his wife's raise. You can imagine it all you like, of course.

>That being said, after McCain's 30 years in the Senate shouldn't you being
>able to come up with a more compelling argument that McCain is corrupt?

I did not claim either McCain or Obama were corrupt. Are you confusing me with someone else?

[normiss 622]

Could you translate that please?

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Do you have a problem with McCain's advisor Phil Gramm sponsoring a law that benefitted Enron, while his wife worked for Enron?

I work with Enron, I knew Enron and sir Enron is no Fannie Mae

I think this is like comparing a Cat 4 Hurricane to a Cat 5 one.

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Let's just agree that they are all corrupt in some fashion or another. Just like we are all human and make mistakes too. That set aside, who is going to make things worse and who is going to have a chance at making things better?

I think at the very least from current history, we need a change in the status quo.

I couldn't agree more with you. All the more reason to vote for the GOP ticket.

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