Hausse 0 #26 February 4, 2008 Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. Don't assume you are the world police (altough there are instances where help is appreciated like WWII) Altho the US did very well in the European theatre, remember it was Russia who was most impressive defeating Germany. BTW, you have a schweet country. I worked with a guy who immigrated from there to here, I think he's F'n crazy. Hey yeah I know it was Russia too but I mostly added that so people don't get pissed about that they had to save the French's assI am one of the fucking crazy guys too. I'm studying in the US at the moment and I think my next stop will be Russia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #27 February 4, 2008 QuoteQuote www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/washington/03cnd-military.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin And that doesn't include the supplemental appropriations. While your crying over those expenses, I'm just alittle concern about those entitlements that are running about 70% of the current U.S. budget. Need to look at some tough ideas to rain in the Social Security, Medicare, Medicad. How about some ideas to rein in all of them? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 February 4, 2008 I wonder how long before citizens of mexico and Canada have to start contributing to the bill?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 February 4, 2008 Quote Quote Feel free to leave. What are you actually in favor of? Feel freeto continue to vote for Nazis and then blame the Dems..... I know u will As, we are sure, YOU will continue to vote for Communists and blame the Reps...as we already see.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #30 February 4, 2008 QuoteMaybe China will use our military to fight their enemy...... Oh wait, that's us. China will direct our military that they in part pay for to attack the US. Heh, paging Milo Minderbinder...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #31 February 4, 2008 Quoteremember it was Russia who was most impressive defeating Germany. I also remember that it was IN Russia where the Russians did so well. There's something about defending your homeland, and the thought of killing Germans actually deterred Stalin from executing 1,000 Russians per day in the purges. It only toook WWII to end those. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #32 February 4, 2008 Quote Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. Don't assume you are the world police (altough there are instances where help is appreciated like WWII) Altho the US did very well in the European theatre, remember it was Russia who was most impressive defeating Germany. BTW, you have a schweet country. I worked with a guy who immigrated from there to here, I think he's F'n crazy. Hey yeah I know it was Russia too but I mostly added that so people don't get pissed about that they had to save the French's assI am one of the fucking crazy guys too. I'm studying in the US at the moment and I think my next stop will be Russia Yea, these are the same fools who chant, "USA, USA, USA," think the US is the best country in world and also think we were justfied killing women and children in Japan with the dropping of the bombs on non-military targets. Russia? OMG, they are commies, we know they are the axis of evil, unlike the US, the axis of niceness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #33 February 4, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Feel free to leave. What are you actually in favor of? Feel freeto continue to vote for Nazis and then blame the Dems..... I know u will As, we are sure, YOU will continue to vote for Communists and blame the Reps...as we already see. Blame the socialist party for what, lowering the deficit and bringing the debt to a virtual breakeven? Blame them for giving the little guy a chance and trying to socialize meds? Anyone who thinks the Nazi's are here for the little guy are fooling themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #34 February 4, 2008 Quote> What percentage do you feel is appropriate? An amount sufficient to repel any attack against us. So you think America should be isolationist, and not care about what happens to our allies elsewhere in the world? Defend the homeland, but nothing else. Let Iran, N. Korea, Russia and China just run amok to their heart's content? Leave Israel and Taiwan to the wolves? Should we do the same with other foreign aid too, like our assistance with AIDS and malaria in Africa? Hey, the money for Hillary health care is going to have to come from somewhere... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #35 February 4, 2008 >So you think America should be isolationist, and not care about what >happens to our allies elsewhere in the world? John Quincy Adams said it best: "Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." >Defend the homeland, but nothing else. Let Iran, N. Korea, Russia and >China just run amok to their heart's content? Allow them the same freedom to "run amok" as we ourselves assume. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martin-o 0 #36 February 4, 2008 I wouldn't even say that they did so well. Their casualties for humongous. They were the ones how sacrificed the most, by far. /Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #37 February 4, 2008 Quotethese are the same fools who chant, "USA, USA, USA," think the US is the best country in world I am one of them. Sure, we've got problems - plenty of them. But I personaly think that we are up there at the top - economically, militarily, and sociologically. Quotealso think we were justfied killing women and children in Japan with the dropping of the bombs on non-military targets. Yes. It's easy for you to look back with 2008 logic and sensibilities. Recall that back then flamethrowers were used in war, too. Ironically, the firebombing of Tokyo with conventional weaponry, which killed over 100,000 Japanese on March 9-10, 1945, doesn't seem to get much mention. Nor does the fact that Tokyop was bombed repeated, most noteworthy was August 8 and 10, 1945 - after the boms on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nor does the carpet bombing of Dresden seem to bother you much. Back then things were different, and civilians were considered legitimate targets. "Civilians build the bullets and guns and planes and ships. Knock out the manufacturing and they ca't fight." That was war back then. War back then was different from war today. War in the 1800's was also different. And back through history, even. Was it wrong? By today's standards and today's knowledge, yes it was. At the time, however, that's they way to did things. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #38 February 4, 2008 Quote I wouldn't even say that they did so well. Their casualties for humongous. They were the ones how sacrificed the most, by far. /Martin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #39 February 4, 2008 Quote While your crying over those expenses, I'm just alittle concern about those entitlements that are running about 70% of the current U.S. budget. Need to look at some tough ideas to rain in the Social Security, Medicare, Medicad. Why would you want to do that? From the context of this year's budget, these guys are running a surplus. As for the military spending being 46% of the world, that screams out the need for chargebacks to the other nations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #40 February 4, 2008 Quote I am one of them. Sure, we've got problems - plenty of them. But I personaly think that we are up there at the top - economically, militarily, and sociologically. . Economically - you ARE aware that we are functioning right now on the financial goodwill of China, Japan, South Korea and Western Europe. You are aware of our MASSIVE DEBT, the biggest in the history of the world? Militarily - I should hope so, when we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined. Sociologically - well there are those 40Million+ Americans with no health insurance. We still have state-sanctioned murder, like Saudi, Iran, Yemen, and North Korea. We have the highest homicide rate of any industrial "first world" nation. We still have a nasty habit of invading other nations that haven't threatened us. I really can't agree with you on that one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #41 February 4, 2008 QuoteMilitarily - I should hope so, when we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined. Do your homework Doc. We spend well more than the rest of the world combined. Hit a 260' E with the new BlackJack last night, so I'm not complaining.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #42 February 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteMilitarily - I should hope so, when we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined. Do your homework Doc. We spend well more than the rest of the world combined. . Thanks for the update. I guess my figures are out of date (or don't include supplemental appropriations). Your taxes at work (attached).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #43 February 4, 2008 QuoteQuote> What percentage do you feel is appropriate? An amount sufficient to repel any attack against us. So you think America should be isolationist, and not care about what happens to our allies elsewhere in the world? Defend the homeland, but nothing else. Let Iran, N. Korea, Russia and China just run amok to their heart's content? Leave Israel and Taiwan to the wolves? I suppose with allies you mean oil rich country's and with defend you mean invade? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #44 February 5, 2008 The NATO nations were quite happy to get that defense during the cold war. The Swiss were not part of that, but in the worst case scenarios (Soviets overruning all of Europe), it's unlikely they would accept an independent banker nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hausse 0 #45 February 5, 2008 QuoteThe NATO nations were quite happy to get that defense during the cold war. The Swiss were not part of that, but in the worst case scenarios (Soviets overruning all of Europe), it's unlikely they would accept an independent banker nation. I don't know about that. If the cold war would have gone hot, I doubt that there would have been much more to protect than a steaming bunch of desert. The Nazis were fine with Switzerland being independent and it would be nearly impossible to really invade Switzerland (due to it's location). I don't think a lot of people would think it's worth losing that many men since the Swiss would probably just do what's in their own interest and so colaborate with whoever is in charge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auburnguy 0 #46 February 5, 2008 Either do something about it or leave. Otherwise quit bitching. I have paid well beyond what most kids my age will ever pay in taxes. While I wish they were lower I fully support my tax dollars being used by in large for military spending."If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #47 February 5, 2008 Quote The Nazis were fine with Switzerland being independent Yes, they were. The sane way that drug dealers love banks that launder their money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #48 February 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteMilitarily - I should hope so, when we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined. Do your homework Doc. We spend well more than the rest of the world combined. . Thanks for the update. I guess my figures are out of date (or don't include supplemental appropriations). Your taxes at work (attached). Funny, your graph looks different from mine... I take it your son is back from Iraq, since you seem to be advocating cutting the Defense budget - quite a change from your howling about HMMWV and body armor when he was getting ready to go.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackout 0 #49 February 5, 2008 Well i personally like the idea of having universal health care. I personally dont have health care and would appreciate it if my government would use some of my tax dollars to provide health care when i need it and not to some overseas interest. Call me conceded but I would think that our tax dollars would be better used to help our people and not be policing the world or helping the world. We are heading for a good recession right now and we are spending absurd amounts of money to fight a pointless war and have our soldiers die? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 February 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote Feel free to leave. What are you actually in favor of? Feel freeto continue to vote for Nazis and then blame the Dems..... I know u will As, we are sure, YOU will continue to vote for Communists and blame the Reps...as we already see. Blame the socialist party for what, lowering the deficit and bringing the debt to a virtual breakeven? Blame them for giving the little guy a chance and trying to socialize meds? Anyone who thinks the Nazi's are here for the little guy are fooling themselves. Giving the little guy a chance? Oh, that's rich. Here's a comparison of tax returns: 1999: Total returns: 127,075,145 Returns +AGI: 126,008,974 Taxable returns: 102,845,571 Taxable returns after tax credits: 94,511,758 Number of returns that did NOT have to pay any tax (1999): 32,563,387 2005: Total returns: 134,372,678 Returns +AGI: 132,611,637 Taxable returns: 104,330,653 Taxable returns after tax credits: 90,593,079 Number of returns that did NOT have to pay any tax (2005): 43,779,599 (11,216,212 increase over 1999) MORE people have been moved into a lower percentage of tax paid, or off the rolls entirely. In 1999, the cutoff for the lowest 50% was $26415, in 2005 it was $30,881. In 1999 the lowest 50% of filers paid 4% of the total income tax liability - in 2005, that percentage dropped to 3.07%.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
