SHOOT THE MOTHER FUCKERS!
And I don't care what fence their jumping over north or south, we are at a time of WAR, are we not?
Yes we are and that is our line, you cross it without the permission of us, you are an invader and in a time of war you should be SHOT!
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gkc1436 3
gimmi a break....they know where the check points are....thats why their sneaking thru the desert.
means???
stand in line, sign the book, walk thru the gates....simple as that
want to stay....just stay like everyone else....
oh, its breaking the law?....oh well, everyone does it,
its called overstaying your visa....just ask around at your DZ,
and i understand that we were counter attacked
EBSB52 0
QuoteThe logic that more control means a tighter ship is BS. Look at prohibition in the 20's, look at the war on drugs - both ineffectove.
War on drugs? Prohibition? What? Man your all over the place here. Stay on topic and stop trying to drag this into some sort of Geopolitcal argument about how every thing else has failed so we should just give it all away.
We will probably never stop the flow of illegal immigration but we must slow it down.
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I still haven't read anyone saying they would just stay there in poverty because it's the law if it were them and their family.
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Well I guess that this argument makes everything O.K. Their system has failed and so now ours should fail also? How many do we let into the life boat before it sinks and kills us all?
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We know your American perspective of shot em where they stand,
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What the fuck are you talking about? Who said that?
Oh wait, that is just more of that inflammatory rhetoric crap designed to create fear regarding what the volunteers are doing. You forgot to add. Kill em all. let god sort em out.
I get it.
War on drugs? Prohibition? What? Man your all over the place here.
Testing logic by using other major issues is logical. The point made is that tightening things down won't work. I realize you don't want to admit that so you attack the test of the logic. In science, to test something you try to maintain only 1 variable, this is called the independant variable. In social science you can do the same. Now you can take the John Wayne approach and try to oversimplify it, but that isn't contemporarily intelligent.
I haven't taken a stance on Mexican immigration whatsoever in this thread, I'm just arguing the merits of people's arguments.
Stay on topic and stop trying to drag this into some sort of Geopolitcal argument about how every thing else has failed so we should just give it all away.
Explain how I've done that. While you're at it. explain the viability of gross Capitalism through examples of current America. Don't forget Enron and the sort.
We will probably never stop the flow of illegal immigration but we must slow it down.
We won't do either. See, it's like Iran-Contra, we didn't want to stop the flow of drugs and guns, we just wanted to use them as fodder, then pretend we had no clue to protect or criminals in chief.
Well I guess that this argument makes everything O.K. Their system has failed and so now ours should fail also? How many do we let into the life boat before it sinks and kills us all?
Kevin, why not just admit you would do the same to take care of your family if you were in that mess of a country - I know I would.
What the fuck are you talking about? Who said that?
Oh wait, that is just more of that inflammatory rhetoric crap designed to create fear regarding what the volunteers are doing. You forgot to add. Kill em all. let god sort em out.
I get it.
And mine is inflamatory rhetoric? I think the mere presence of the volunteer border guards exhibits the fear-mongering. Are you sayingthese volunteers don't have the attitude that these Mexicans are somehow trying to rob America?
The US gov is pissed about their presence and will make a speedy example out of them just like they would for a murderer of an abortion doctor or the Viper Militia. Vigilatiism is poular in the movies, not so much with the gov.
Ron 7
QuoteTesting logic by using other major issues is logical.
It is also a strawman.
QuoteThe point made is that tightening things down won't work.
Removing all restrictions also does not work.
QuoteI haven't taken a stance on Mexican immigration whatsoever in this thread
Why don't you take a stand instead of slamming other peoples? Its called the "show you mine of you show me yours" line of thinking.
Otherwise we have a term for you...Its called sniper. You sit back and never offer anything of value, but pop up and take pot shots at others ideas.
QuoteWhile you're at it. explain the viability of gross Capitalism through examples of current America. Don't forget Enron and the sort.
Sure, Capitalism even with the EXTREME case of Enron and the sort works much better than Communism that has failed on a large scale over and over. It works in the long term better than a Dictatorship, or Monarchy as evidenced time and time again.
You can "snipe" and use Enron and Martha Stewart...Ect all ya want. Want me to list the Companies where Capitalism works?
I could just open almost any phone book, but lets keep it simple.
How about Sandler O’Neill & Partners? They lost 66 of their 171 employees in the WTC. Despite its dire financial straits, the firm sent every deceased employee’s family a check in the amount of the employee’s salary through the end of the year and extended health-care benefits for five years.
Or how Bank of America donated office space for them to use?
Competitors sent commissions their way and freely gave the company essential information that was lost with the traders who had died. Bigger Wall Street firms took it upon themselves to include Sandler in their deals.
For every example of a "bad" business, I can find plenty more that are "good". Of course nothing can withstand a lazer focus and all organizations have issues, but to claim that due to a few issues or a few Large "bad" companies that all are is an example of an Inductive Fallacy . The ones you use here are:
Hasty Generalization: the sample is too small to support an inductive generalization about a population.
Unrepresentative Sample: the sample is unrepresentative of the sample as a whole.
And when you compare things like the War on drugs to border patrols and Illegal imigration you are using, False Analogy: the two objects or events being compared are relevantly dissimilar.
See you fall into the general trap of cynicism
QuoteThe Media Research Center conducted a survey of 863 network TV sitcoms,
dramas, and movies from 1995 to early 1997. Nearly 30 percent of the criminal characters
in these programs were business owners or corporate executives. Entrepreneurs
were represented as drug dealers (Beverly Hills, 90210), kidnappers (Nash Bridges)
or sellers of defective gear to the military.9 Fortune magazine called this “the rise of
corporate villainy in prime time.”10 More recent movies with a negative message
about corporate America include Civil Action, The Insider, and Erin Brockovich.
Academic research on the representation of business in movies suggests that cynicism
toward American business increased after study participants viewed the film Roger &
Me, which depicted ruthless plant closings and layoffs at General Motors.
But its more fun to "snipe".
Class can anyone identify this Fallicy?
QuoteAnd mine is inflamatory rhetoric? I think the mere presence of the volunteer border guards exhibits the fear-mongering
gkc1436 3
how many bankrupt hospitals will it take.
how many dead americans due to speeding stolen vehicals filled with illegals will it take.
during the debates, the number 7000 a day was used, do the math, we cant absorb that
IKE was the last president to have balls enough to deal with this, he enacted OPERATION WETBACK
rounded them all up and sent them back...
no political motives....just did the right thing
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jdhill 0
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how many dead americans due to speeding stolen vehicals filled with illegals will it take.
during the debates, the number 7000 a day was used, do the math, we cant absorb that
Sure we can. they can all go to EBSB52's house and eat his food. They can also have his job. He apparently doesn't need it because he has lived here in the US for so long that he is now independently wealthy which is why he can afford to pay for their medical and schooling. Good for him. I wish I had his job.
Berlin Wall-style wall between US and Mexico. Anyone in the no-man zone is summarily arrested.
Other than stabilizing care, no free fucking rides at hospitals.
Convert the torch on the Statue of Liberty to a giant middle finger.
jdhill 0
TheAnvil 0
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!
jdhill 0
J
sabr190 0
This remark has to be the best example of poor taste I have ever seen
"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa
rhino 0
QuoteI heard on the radio today that the program has already resulted in 18 arrests of illegals... and it hasn't even officially started yet.
Not bad...
Americans need to start taking responsibility for their own safety the same way the Iraqi's do. It's up to the people as the government cannot do everything..
Rhino
Why os it MY job as an American to pay for a Mexicans Health care? Just cause they can sneak accross the border?
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