Jimbo 0 #26 February 27, 2005 Quote Your lack of knowledge of STDs is quite scary as is your theory on stereotypes. I said that AIDS was more prevalent in the gay community than in the straight community. I also followed that with "at least I think so". For clarity, I was speaking of Western populations. Prove me wrong. As far as stereotypes go, someone didn't just wake up one morning and decide that the gay community had an alarming number of AIDS cases. It really happened. Whether or not it's reasonable to perpetuate the story, or whether or not it's still true is another matter entirely. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #27 February 27, 2005 QuoteYour lack of knowledge of STDs is quite scary as is your theory on stereotypes. I'd recommend you read the book, "And the Band Played On" by Randy Shilts. It may provide some background to you... Also, as another note, you may want to note the differences between HIV and other STD's in terms of transmission and demographics. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #28 February 27, 2005 QuoteIt is just as dangerous for heterosexuals to have unprotected sex. And skydiving is just as dangerous for those that hook turn and those that don't. Indeed, the potential result is the same for me on my .78 loaded as for me hooking a 2.4 loaded Icarus, eh? After all, either way I can die, right? http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/hivprevalence/selected.htm#highrisk Note that I said, "particularly." In no way do I minimize the danger of unprotected heterosexual sex. But look at the numbers... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #29 February 27, 2005 QuoteThe observation that social rejection leads to anti-social behavior is extremely relevant. Lets make them a victim, yes they couldn't help themselves. Because if you are a victim you can't help yourself. It's all the big bad gov't. If you are going to be dumb you got to be tough. If you are not smart enough to stop doing it you'll be dead. sorry I will not shed a tear because you make a choice. (no you, the ppl that had unprotected sex) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 142 #30 February 27, 2005 QuoteThis is the part that kills me: All three New York men who had the illness diagnosed recently, officials said, are HIV positive and have had multiple male sexual partners. And they are obviously not wearing condoms!!!! That is great. I am not a real religious person, but I am a believer in Karma.... It is just good to see these morons are wiping themselves off the face of the Earth. If you have HIV or AIDs Why the Fuck would you run around with multiple partners and not protect yourself??? I have no sympathy. Maybe we should call it "Young Children& Old People/Common Cold and Flu/ and spreading it!" given that MANY people die from it each year, I think we should start exterminating hte ill, since they are OBVIOUSLY DELIBERATELY spreading it around...... http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/f/flu/deaths.htm How do you know they were not wearing condoms? People like you do nothing but create and support hysteria. Go away fer Chrissake.... (at least stop talking....) TK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #31 February 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteUr, is that UK? Not picking spelling, just wondering. SO what other kind of law would we use - God's law? If so, that is scarry - Salem again and again. Society is supposed to progress, not regress. Step 1: study world history and have a general understanding of history, it will help enrich your life and keep you from looking kinda uneducated while discussing items. Step 2: when in doubt, google. I'd suggest for you to try step 2. Step 1: study world history and have a general understanding of history, it will help enrich your life and keep you from looking kinda uneducated while discussing items. Step 2: when in doubt, google. I'd suggest for you to try step 2. Step 1: Realize that on DZ.com, conservatives violating the rules on personal attacks don't apply unless they attack someone equally or more conservative. step 2: When in doubt as to whether what you write is a personal attack, go ahead and write what you want - you'll be given a special hug in PM and politely asked not to do it anymore. I'd suggest you do whatever you want; as an extreme conservative you have immunity from reprimand. As for thinking you're superior in intellect, if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy to think that you're superior in all areas, you are welcome to it; the rest of us will realize we all have intelligence in our areas and others' in theirs. I'm working on my second degree, so I'm not too intellectually threatened by you. Now, the question was....... "SO what other kind of law would we use - God's law? If so, that is scary - Salem again and again. Society is supposed to progress, not regress." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #32 February 27, 2005 ***Personally, I blame the assholes in Ur that screwed up our society from the get go, leading us down the road of written law that has held us under the man since then. *** Can anyone translate this in to English please? As for the Nazi thing, its not something I usually mention, but in this case talking about stereotyping and scapegoating it is highly relevant.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #33 February 27, 2005 Why demand proof for me when you seem to be happy to hang your arguments on unsuported supposition? As for AIDs/HIV why just base it on Western populations? Don't the lives of millions of infected Africans and Asians mean as much as white Americans?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #34 February 27, 2005 Quote Why demand proof for me when you seem to be happy to hang your arguments on unsuported supposition? Because it was you who challenged my statement. QuoteAs for AIDs/HIV why just base it on Western populations? Because it was a story about a Western population that started this thread. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #35 February 27, 2005 QuoteBecause it was a story about a Western population that started this thread. Do you always keep to the topic of a thread? Is that why you earlier said "I don't see this as a gay issue" even though the first word in the thread title is "Gay"? Oh, it's so much fun to play loose with logical fallacies. I can see why people enjoy it so much! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #36 February 27, 2005 Quote I'm working on my second degree, so I'm not too intellectually threatened by you. I will be working on my second degree as well...QuoteNow, the question was....... "SO what other kind of law would we use - God's law? If so, that is scary - Salem again and again. Society is supposed to progress, not regress." This isn't a Witch hunt, my dear, this is fact...: http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm The statistics are clear...until people wake up and realize that "safe sex" for everyone involved (meaning heterosexual as well as homosexual)...will prevent hundreds maybe even thousands of deaths...Then maybe, just maybe...we can get this epidemic under control...until then...well...people can claim witch hunts...prejudice...whatever you like... But I really want to see someone argue with the CDC about statistics and risk factors... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #37 February 27, 2005 The best place to start teaching and preaching is at home...: http://www.avert.org/stats.htm AIDS is a worldwide epidemic...and it effects millions who either have it or who know and care about someone who have it...My best friend from high school, her brother was diagnosed with HIV when I was a junior...Yes, he is gay and had unprotected sex...he is now paying a heavy price for his actions......But it is necessary to take responsibility for your actions...whatever they may be... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,463 #38 February 27, 2005 >I said that AIDS was more prevalent in the gay community than in >the straight community. I also followed that with "at least I think so". > For clarity, I was speaking of Western populations. Prove me wrong. From a May 2004 report from the NIH: ------------------------------------------ HIV Infection in Women OVERVIEW The number of women with HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) infection and AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome) has been increasing steadily worldwide. By the end of 2003, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), 19.2 million women were living with HIV/AIDS worldwide, accounting for approximately 50 percent of the 40 million adults living with HIV/AIDS. . . . Worldwide, more than 90 percent of all adolescent and adult HIV infections have resulted from heterosexual intercourse. ------------------------------------------ >As far as stereotypes go, someone didn't just wake up one morning > and decide that the gay community had an alarming number of > AIDS cases. It really happened. Whether or not it's reasonable to > perpetuate the story, or whether or not it's still true is another > matter entirely. While it may have been true at one point, today it is heterosexuals doing most of the spreading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #39 February 27, 2005 QuoteThe best place to start teaching and preaching is at home...: http://www.avert.org/stats.htm AIDS is a worldwide epidemic...and it effects millions who either have it or who know and care about someone who have it...My best friend from high school, her brother was diagnosed with HIV when I was a junior...Yes, he is gay and had unprotected sex...he is now paying a heavy price for his actions......But it is necessary to take responsibility for your actions...whatever they may be... ~R+R... I agree that education is the key to understanding and behaving responsibly. But there comes a point to every action where you must say screw it and jump in. For example, with skydiving we can learn all that is available but we eventually have to bail out the door and take our calculated chances. Same could be said with driving, but 115 people per day die on the roads; how many thought they were prepared with enough experience and education going into it? It's utopian to think we can prepare for every possible event - it's hypocritical to blame others for their risks while we undertake our own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #40 February 27, 2005 QuoteQuote I'm working on my second degree, so I'm not too intellectually threatened by you. I will be working on my second degree as well...QuoteNow, the question was....... "SO what other kind of law would we use - God's law? If so, that is scary - Salem again and again. Society is supposed to progress, not regress." This isn't a Witch hunt, my dear, this is fact...: http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm The statistics are clear...until people wake up and realize that "safe sex" for everyone involved (meaning heterosexual as well as homosexual)...will prevent hundreds maybe even thousands of deaths...Then maybe, just maybe...we can get this epidemic under control...until then...well...people can claim witch hunts...prejudice...whatever you like... But I really want to see someone argue with the CDC about statistics and risk factors... ~R+R... I will be working on my second degree as well......so what does this have to do with gay men spreading the AIDS virus? That was written to someone else in a previous post as they were attempting to say I need more education. Their post is below. "study world history and have a general understanding of history, it will help enrich your life and keep you from looking kinda uneducated while discussing items." This isn't a Witch hunt, my dear, this is fact...: What's with, "my dear?" I don't need to hear that from a guy, assuming you are a guy. The statistics are clear...until people wake up and realize that "safe sex" for everyone involved (meaning heterosexual as well as homosexual)...will prevent hundreds maybe even thousands of deaths...Then maybe, just maybe...we can get this epidemic under control...until then...well...people can claim witch hunts...prejudice...whatever you like... Agreed, but it's hard to read people talking about being safe from a skydiving forum. I think skydiving is safe, but I also think it's safe to screw girls without a condom. Of course both carry risk factors, but I'm willing to undertake these and will accept whatever consequences come with it. All of the skydivers and girlfriends I have are willing to undertake these risks as well or they wouldn't be doing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #41 February 27, 2005 QuoteWhile it may have been true at one point, today it is heterosexuals doing most of the spreading. That's likely the case when we count third world countries. However, I was addressing the spread of AIDS in western culture as I thought that that was what this particular thread was about. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #42 February 27, 2005 QuoteI think skydiving is safe, but I also think it's safe to screw girls without a condom. Of course both carry risk factors, but I'm willing to undertake these and will accept whatever consequences come with it. That's fine for you, but what about your future sexual partners? I hope you make it clear that you possibly could be infected before you jump into someone elses sack. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #43 February 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteI think skydiving is safe, but I also think it's safe to screw girls without a condom. Of course both carry risk factors, but I'm willing to undertake these and will accept whatever consequences come with it. That's fine for you, but what about your future sexual partners? I hope you make it clear that you possibly could be infected before you jump into someone elses sack. Chris That's the chance I take, my current partner takes, and all future partners of the both of us take. It's not reasonable to blame your current partner's former parner(s) for a risk assumed at that later date. You know that personal responsibility thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a man whore with the ladys as I'd like to be , but whoever I sleep with will be willing to take the chance or choose not to sleep with me. Choices vs consequences all around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #44 February 28, 2005 QuoteStep 1: Realize that on DZ.com, conservatives violating the rules on personal attacks don't apply unless they attack someone equally or more conservative. step 2: When in doubt as to whether what you write is a personal attack, go ahead and write what you want - you'll be given a special hug in PM and politely asked not to do it anymore. I'd suggest you do whatever you want; as an extreme conservative you have immunity from reprimand. As for thinking you're superior in intellect, if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy to think that you're superior in all areas, you are welcome to it; the rest of us will realize we all have intelligence in our areas and others' in theirs. I'm working on my second degree, so I'm not too intellectually threatened by you. BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Another poster foiled once again by dry humor. Jesus man, chill out. If you really think that I was serious and trying to prove some sort of stupid penis size arguement then you need to relax, step away from the keyboard, take a deep breath and have a couple of strong drinks to settle down with. As for conservatives rule in SC and get away with stuff...HA! Hell, BillVon is close to a liberal commie compared to a lot of folks on here and he's a moderator. So you think he "lets" the conservatives get away with stuff because he's on their side? He's not on their side, he's on no one's side even though he's fairly left of center politically compared to many. It helps that I've been on here for over 4 years and Bill has gotten used to my humor and knows when I'm actually mad at someone. He's put the red fork down on me more then a few times for getting out of line, so myself as a conservative do I get special treatment? Hell no! Infact I'd state plainly that BillVon does a hell of a job keeping things inline for both sides of the political spectrum (even if he's a liberal tree hugger Love ya Bill, even if I'm jealous of your gas milage).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #45 February 28, 2005 Quote . . . Love ya Bill, even if I'm jealous of your gas milage). Is that a new euphemism for penis size Dave? Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 February 28, 2005 QuoteIs that a new euphemism for penis size Dave? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If it is, what does it mean that Bill drives a hybrid?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #47 February 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteStep 1: Realize that on DZ.com, conservatives violating the rules on personal attacks don't apply unless they attack someone equally or more conservative. step 2: When in doubt as to whether what you write is a personal attack, go ahead and write what you want - you'll be given a special hug in PM and politely asked not to do it anymore. I'd suggest you do whatever you want; as an extreme conservative you have immunity from reprimand. As for thinking you're superior in intellect, if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy to think that you're superior in all areas, you are welcome to it; the rest of us will realize we all have intelligence in our areas and others' in theirs. I'm working on my second degree, so I'm not too intellectually threatened by you. BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Another poster foiled once again by dry humor. Jesus man, chill out. If you really think that I was serious and trying to prove some sort of stupid penis size arguement then you need to relax, step away from the keyboard, take a deep breath and have a couple of strong drinks to settle down with. As for conservatives rule in SC and get away with stuff...HA! Hell, BillVon is close to a liberal commie compared to a lot of folks on here and he's a moderator. So you think he "lets" the conservatives get away with stuff because he's on their side? He's not on their side, he's on no one's side even though he's fairly left of center politically compared to many. It helps that I've been on here for over 4 years and Bill has gotten used to my humor and knows when I'm actually mad at someone. He's put the red fork down on me more then a few times for getting out of line, so myself as a conservative do I get special treatment? Hell no! Infact I'd state plainly that BillVon does a hell of a job keeping things inline for both sides of the political spectrum (even if he's a liberal tree hugger Love ya Bill, even if I'm jealous of your gas milage). Jesus man, chill out. If you really think that I was serious and trying to prove some sort of stupid penis size arguement then you need to relax, step away from the keyboard, take a deep breath and have a couple of strong drinks to settle down with. It appears that since Kennedy finally got warned that you've taken notice and are trying to downplay your insult: "study world history and have a general understanding of history, it will help enrich your life and keep you from looking kinda uneducated while discussing items." So I am chilled. I have no problem, just pointing out a very obvious situation. As for conservatives rule in SC and get away with stuff...HA! Hell, BillVon is close to a liberal commie compared to a lot of folks on here and he's a moderator. So you think he "lets" the conservatives get away with stuff because he's on their side? No, he let's them get away with stuff for the very reason you just gave. If he were to side with liberals he would be subject to a lot of partiality criticism, but since he warns 5:1, lib to conser respectively then he protects the conflict of interest arguments. He's not on their side, he's on no one's side even though he's fairly left of center politically compared to many. As far as, "side" goes, I'm sure he's on the side of the liberals, but if he excersized his position with consistent bias he would be removed I would conjecture. And you're not upset with any moderators because you're allowed a lot of lattitude. If you saw any bias toward libs here you would be firing away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #48 February 28, 2005 Quote QuoteIs that a new euphemism for penis size Dave? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! If it is, what does it mean that Bill drives a hybrid? runs off of batteries sometimes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #49 February 28, 2005 *shrug* Ok, whatever. Kennedy getting warned has bothered me? Hahahaha, you don't know me very well. I don't give a shit who gets warned, I wouldn't care if BillVon got warned from HH publicly. I am who I am and I say what I say those that know me know that. If you've got a problem with it, PM me and we'll chat about it. If you've got such a problem with it then why are you bothering with posting the same complaints in multipul threads? Why don't you simply contact the moderators you have a problem with and contact HH? Hell, go by your DZ and chat with Betsy, she knows HH and a lot of the mods personally maybe she'll see it your way and help you continue your crusade. I personally don't care what sort of chip you have on your shoulder, I'm feeling good after a good jump weekend having had a chance to get some tandems done and get some nice swooping in and I'm pumped the DZ is going to be open extra days this week to enjoy the good weather and so I can get some more tandems done that we couldn't get to this weekend. So if you want to decompress, come by the DZ on Tuesday after 10am and come jump with me. Come on, its only an 18hr drive from where you're from.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #50 February 28, 2005 QuoteThis isn't a Witch hunt, my dear, this is fact...: What's with, "my dear?" I don't need to hear that from a guy, assuming you are a guy. ...... ~R+R...I must be masculine if I can write a post to a thread on an online site and call a guy "dear"......Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions......~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
