pajarito 0 #151 June 2, 2004 QuoteThis is picture I / we see here. Talk as long as you want, this is reality. What a naive statement... Seriously, I've got this very nice beach front property in Tennessee that's for sale. You interested? I'll send you a video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrunkMonkey 0 #152 June 2, 2004 But according to the lefties/socialists, one Iraqi is worth more than the entire population of deployed soldiers... I wonder if Christal (apologies if name is misspelled) has ever served in the Luftwaffe, the Bundeswehr, or the Deutsche Marine... ...And everything the US does is wrong. We should all be bunny-hugging liberal socialists[/sarcasm]. Pardon me whilst I vomit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #153 June 2, 2004 Quote You don't listen to anyone. Thats the big difference between us Ron, do you always and only listen to your inner army voice? the one reminding you and many others in the US of WW2 (which you surely did not experience)? ratio has to be used. there is more than only military judgement of present situation in Iraq. Military experience is not automatically enabling you (not you, personally) to have the right view on all. we're already in a hopeless muddle, it seems. so i 'd appreciate Europe's politicians to assist the US in solving this problem. what do you in the US think about that? Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #154 June 2, 2004 QuoteAs far as I understood, the original idea of the US was sending in troops to fight against terror, chasing SH, to free Iraq. Now it simply is killing every Iraqi just moving in front of a US weapon, if wounded or not. This is picture I / we see here. Talk as long as you want, this is reality. Okay, all BS aside... I need to know if you really think that so I can ignore all future posts by you. Like Josh said, if all us bloodthirsty American pigs wanted to do was kill people, there wouldn't be very many people left in Iraq. Did you even read my post? Did you bother to go hunt down the unedited/less edited video, or do you beleive everything that is put in front of you? I see how easy it is for someone to control your view of reality.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jdhill 0 #155 June 2, 2004 Quoteso i 'd appreciate Europe's politicians to assist the US in solving this problem. Much like the way they were able to solve the problems in the Balkens? Our politicians may not be great, but neither are Europe's.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #156 June 2, 2004 Quoteinsurgents and or terrorists are killing more Iraqis than the US or rest of the Coalition is Mind trying to back that up? That's an outrageous claim that is not supported by the casualty figures I've seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #157 June 2, 2004 Quote Put down your crack pipe. Hey, that 's an imputation! i never had any crack pipe in my hands, how is crack looking like ? Quoteinsurgents and or terrorists are killing more Iraqis than the US or rest of the Coalition is. just remove your folks (troops) over there, and the horror is over. end. QuoteIf all we wanted to do was kill Iraqis, that place would be a glass parking lot now. you still hope for that? forget it. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #158 June 2, 2004 QuoteRon, do you always and only listen to your inner army voice? Only in military TACTICAL matters...Such as shooting a guy that was just trying to kill me and my team. Now I don't listen to my Army voice when skydiving...I listen to my Skydiving inner voice. Quotethe one reminding you and many others in the US of WW2 (which you surely did not experience)? did I bring up WW2? Nope....Drunkmonkey did. However, I would listen to a WW2 vet's opinion about this with more credablitity than someone who has not served, or a politican any day. Quoteratio has to be used. there is more than only military judgement of present situation in Iraq. Military experience is not automatically enabling you (not you, personally) to have the right view on all. My comment on this thread have been about the TACTICAL situation, not the political situation....When I have to choose, I would rather our troops be safe and alive, than right and dead. Quotewe're already in a hopeless muddle, it seems. so i 'd appreciate Europe's politicians to assist the US in solving this problem. what do you in the US think about that? Europe, the UN ec ha d achance to back up what they voted for...they didn't. As for them stepping in now...Sure as long as they are willing to HELP, not just continue to damn the US and everything the US does. Can you help without making the US out to be a bad guy? Sure then help..But everything you have typed so far is just against the US."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jdhill 0 #159 June 2, 2004 Quotejust remove your folks (troops) over there, and the horror is over. end. Well, it may not be crack, but it appears to some sort of drug induced haze... or is it just simple naiveté? Either way, if you think it will all get better if the US leaves, you're wrong... it will be much worse. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #160 June 2, 2004 Quotejust remove your folks (troops) over there, and the horror is over. end. Got PROOf of that?...I don't think it would end...I think another crazy dictator would come to power. In yor plan we might as well just put SH back into power."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #161 June 2, 2004 (Speaking of Germany & France specifically) I think if they want to get involved and do the right thing, however late their efforts may be, that they should. I also think that if they decide not to, for whatever reason, that's fine too. I personally think their European politicians can go "suck an egg!" We'll continue to fight their battles for them. Your initial wording "hopeless muddle" is such a defeatist attitude. Sounds like being "broken" from the start. Maybe that was what was wrong with France & Germany in the first place. Weak backbone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #162 June 2, 2004 QuoteI need to know if you really think that so I can ignore all future posts by you. If you ignore or not, will not change anything in facts. QuoteLike Josh said, if all us bloodthirsty American pigs wanted to do was kill people, there wouldn't be very many people left in Iraq who is Josh? perhaps, i missed his post. "bloodthirsty......." Who said that BS? I do not consider the US like that. It's simply nonsens. We are not all just resting in our arm chairs, complaining about the bad (US) world. Quote...or do you beleive everything that is put in front of you.. I trust my eyes. even i know a video could be modified. if i see a wounded man (Iraqi), moving with his very last energy to to find a way to escape, how could someone believe this man possbily is trying to pull the trigger? QuoteI see how easy it is for someone to control your view of reality And your's ? what do you believe you (the US) are really seing? do you (the US) believe the rest of the world is suffering blindness? If you /the US) teach your young soldiers long enough that they (the US soldiers) are sent from heaven to free the world, they believe it! they kill all what simply is creeping in front of them. Just to clarify: my father was a marine in WWII. we are talking a lot about present situation in Iraw. he's always explaining to me that under these strange circumstances, young privates could (re-) act completely out of control. and in war, soldiers do not have to think, they have to obey. i have to admit this. but still these privates should be able to judge an occuring situation. otherwise, they only are killers. poor trained. Let me just tell you: i am too old to let someone take over control of my brain. so stop talking nonsens to me, we are no more living in the "Reich". even my son - 20+ yrs- simply is sure that in Iraq something is going wrong. it started with a falsehood and will end with a lot of dead US soldiers. How to deny that?? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 3 #163 June 2, 2004 Quote just remove your folks (troops) over there, and the horror is over. end. Wanna place any bets on what Iraq looks like 13 months from today?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #164 June 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteinsurgents and or terrorists are killing more Iraqis than the US or rest of the Coalition is Mind trying to back that up? That's an outrageous claim that is not supported by the casualty figures I've seen. wondering if he meant to refer to the fact that insurgents/terrorists have killed far more Iraqis than US soldiers?not sure how that would apply to this particular thread discussion but....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jdhill 0 #165 June 2, 2004 Well lets see... between May 2 and May 16, 47 civilians were reported killed by insurgent/terrorist mortar attacks, roadside bombs, car/sucide bombs, or gunfire... 4 were reported killed by a US airstrike... As reported by various agencies and listed here. ***I picked the dates based on the amount of time I had to go back from the most recent listed. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jdhill 0 #166 June 2, 2004 Quotewondering if he meant to refer to the fact that insurgents/terrorists have killed far more Iraqis than US soldiers?not sure how that would apply to this particular thread discussion but.... Nope... Insurgents/Terrorists are killing more Iraqi (civilians) than we are. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #167 June 2, 2004 Ahh, you need to clarify your statement then that you were talking about civilians, you just said Iraqis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites seekfun 0 #168 June 2, 2004 There are rules of engagement and the pilots know this stuff is being taped. This stupid video is leftist propoganda. Think back to Vietnam. Half the VC were farmers. Just because someone is out farming their fields today doesn't mean they didn't kill some brave Americans yesterday. Hell, give me a gun and a tractor and I'll kill you someone one minute, clean my gun the next, and get back on my tractor in an hour. As for the 30mm high explosive rounds. ROCK ON. The only things the pilots carry that are smaller are their sidearms. Have you ever tried a pistol shot from a helicopter in flight? No? Well then, 30mm it is. Get some. Get some. You too Mother F$%^&R! Get Some. That's all I have to say about that. topher "...there is a there out there..." - Tom Robbins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #169 June 2, 2004 Ron what ARE these old war movies you are so fond of ,that you keep referring to?? It seems you have a much better knowledge of them all than I do..... I wondered what you guys must get up to in Basic Training, cause its certainly not reflected in ya soldiering.....now we know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #170 June 2, 2004 QuoteGet some. Get some. You too Mother F$%^&R! Get Some Yeah....thats what the guy waving the cloth to try and show the helicopter he surrendered was saying as well..... Oh wait...hang on....sorry my mistake It wasnt that it was probably.....'dont shoot ...I'm unarmed' close... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #171 June 2, 2004 Quote Wanna place any bets on what Iraq looks like 13 months from today of course, not. but it seems with the new "president" of Iraq, there could be a chance. let them deal with each other. perhaps there will not be less dead Iraqis after US and allied troops left. these will be their own dead ones. anyhow, this president wants the US/allied to leave quickly. if possible, before end of 2005. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #172 June 2, 2004 QuoteRon what ARE these old war movies you are so fond of ,that you keep referring to?? It seems you have a much better knowledge of them all than I do..... I wondered what you guys must get up to in Basic Training, cause its certainly not reflected in ya soldiering.....now we know Well I tried to find some great modern English won battles....So far I got nothing Great training you have there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #173 June 2, 2004 I know...thats why we are considered the best. Thanks for the support and vote of confidence. Appreciated...your boys had to shoot that guy cause they had no option....he was a threat to them We would have MADE an option , kept him alive...without risking a biscuit.....and been home in time for tea Lateral thinking.....some of us got it.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #174 June 2, 2004 QuoteNope... Insurgents/Terrorists are killing more Iraqi (civilians) than we are. Right, I just did a quick and dirty count from the ant-war http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ website. From the 1252 first casualties listed on their table (military and civilian), 584 were civilians likely killed by insurgents. The rest were either police or military deaths (US and insurgent). Again, it was quick and dirty. So just out of those numbers, where is the world outcry at the fact that the insurgents are killing civilians left and right?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #175 June 2, 2004 QuoteSo just out of those numbers, where is the world outcry at the fact that the insurgents are killing civilians left and right? There's been plenty of it. What cuold have prevented it? 1) Not going into Iraq. 2) Since we went into Iraq, go in with the support of the world community and UN, 3) Since we went into Iraq without that, go in with enough troops (the Joint Chiefs wanted more) 4) Since we didn't do that, have a solid plan for post combat operations to secure the country 5) Since we didn't do that, provide for a solid transition of power to an Iraqi government. Hopefully we'll get that last one right, but I'm not holding my breath based on our success rate so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 7 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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DrunkMonkey 0 #152 June 2, 2004 But according to the lefties/socialists, one Iraqi is worth more than the entire population of deployed soldiers... I wonder if Christal (apologies if name is misspelled) has ever served in the Luftwaffe, the Bundeswehr, or the Deutsche Marine... ...And everything the US does is wrong. We should all be bunny-hugging liberal socialists[/sarcasm]. Pardon me whilst I vomit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #153 June 2, 2004 Quote You don't listen to anyone. Thats the big difference between us Ron, do you always and only listen to your inner army voice? the one reminding you and many others in the US of WW2 (which you surely did not experience)? ratio has to be used. there is more than only military judgement of present situation in Iraq. Military experience is not automatically enabling you (not you, personally) to have the right view on all. we're already in a hopeless muddle, it seems. so i 'd appreciate Europe's politicians to assist the US in solving this problem. what do you in the US think about that? Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #154 June 2, 2004 QuoteAs far as I understood, the original idea of the US was sending in troops to fight against terror, chasing SH, to free Iraq. Now it simply is killing every Iraqi just moving in front of a US weapon, if wounded or not. This is picture I / we see here. Talk as long as you want, this is reality. Okay, all BS aside... I need to know if you really think that so I can ignore all future posts by you. Like Josh said, if all us bloodthirsty American pigs wanted to do was kill people, there wouldn't be very many people left in Iraq. Did you even read my post? Did you bother to go hunt down the unedited/less edited video, or do you beleive everything that is put in front of you? I see how easy it is for someone to control your view of reality.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #155 June 2, 2004 Quoteso i 'd appreciate Europe's politicians to assist the US in solving this problem. Much like the way they were able to solve the problems in the Balkens? Our politicians may not be great, but neither are Europe's.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #156 June 2, 2004 Quoteinsurgents and or terrorists are killing more Iraqis than the US or rest of the Coalition is Mind trying to back that up? That's an outrageous claim that is not supported by the casualty figures I've seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #157 June 2, 2004 Quote Put down your crack pipe. Hey, that 's an imputation! i never had any crack pipe in my hands, how is crack looking like ? Quoteinsurgents and or terrorists are killing more Iraqis than the US or rest of the Coalition is. just remove your folks (troops) over there, and the horror is over. end. QuoteIf all we wanted to do was kill Iraqis, that place would be a glass parking lot now. you still hope for that? forget it. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #158 June 2, 2004 QuoteRon, do you always and only listen to your inner army voice? Only in military TACTICAL matters...Such as shooting a guy that was just trying to kill me and my team. Now I don't listen to my Army voice when skydiving...I listen to my Skydiving inner voice. Quotethe one reminding you and many others in the US of WW2 (which you surely did not experience)? did I bring up WW2? Nope....Drunkmonkey did. However, I would listen to a WW2 vet's opinion about this with more credablitity than someone who has not served, or a politican any day. Quoteratio has to be used. there is more than only military judgement of present situation in Iraq. Military experience is not automatically enabling you (not you, personally) to have the right view on all. My comment on this thread have been about the TACTICAL situation, not the political situation....When I have to choose, I would rather our troops be safe and alive, than right and dead. Quotewe're already in a hopeless muddle, it seems. so i 'd appreciate Europe's politicians to assist the US in solving this problem. what do you in the US think about that? Europe, the UN ec ha d achance to back up what they voted for...they didn't. As for them stepping in now...Sure as long as they are willing to HELP, not just continue to damn the US and everything the US does. Can you help without making the US out to be a bad guy? Sure then help..But everything you have typed so far is just against the US."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #159 June 2, 2004 Quotejust remove your folks (troops) over there, and the horror is over. end. Well, it may not be crack, but it appears to some sort of drug induced haze... or is it just simple naiveté? Either way, if you think it will all get better if the US leaves, you're wrong... it will be much worse. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #160 June 2, 2004 Quotejust remove your folks (troops) over there, and the horror is over. end. Got PROOf of that?...I don't think it would end...I think another crazy dictator would come to power. In yor plan we might as well just put SH back into power."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #161 June 2, 2004 (Speaking of Germany & France specifically) I think if they want to get involved and do the right thing, however late their efforts may be, that they should. I also think that if they decide not to, for whatever reason, that's fine too. I personally think their European politicians can go "suck an egg!" We'll continue to fight their battles for them. Your initial wording "hopeless muddle" is such a defeatist attitude. Sounds like being "broken" from the start. Maybe that was what was wrong with France & Germany in the first place. Weak backbone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #162 June 2, 2004 QuoteI need to know if you really think that so I can ignore all future posts by you. If you ignore or not, will not change anything in facts. QuoteLike Josh said, if all us bloodthirsty American pigs wanted to do was kill people, there wouldn't be very many people left in Iraq who is Josh? perhaps, i missed his post. "bloodthirsty......." Who said that BS? I do not consider the US like that. It's simply nonsens. We are not all just resting in our arm chairs, complaining about the bad (US) world. Quote...or do you beleive everything that is put in front of you.. I trust my eyes. even i know a video could be modified. if i see a wounded man (Iraqi), moving with his very last energy to to find a way to escape, how could someone believe this man possbily is trying to pull the trigger? QuoteI see how easy it is for someone to control your view of reality And your's ? what do you believe you (the US) are really seing? do you (the US) believe the rest of the world is suffering blindness? If you /the US) teach your young soldiers long enough that they (the US soldiers) are sent from heaven to free the world, they believe it! they kill all what simply is creeping in front of them. Just to clarify: my father was a marine in WWII. we are talking a lot about present situation in Iraw. he's always explaining to me that under these strange circumstances, young privates could (re-) act completely out of control. and in war, soldiers do not have to think, they have to obey. i have to admit this. but still these privates should be able to judge an occuring situation. otherwise, they only are killers. poor trained. Let me just tell you: i am too old to let someone take over control of my brain. so stop talking nonsens to me, we are no more living in the "Reich". even my son - 20+ yrs- simply is sure that in Iraq something is going wrong. it started with a falsehood and will end with a lot of dead US soldiers. How to deny that?? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #163 June 2, 2004 Quote just remove your folks (troops) over there, and the horror is over. end. Wanna place any bets on what Iraq looks like 13 months from today?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #164 June 2, 2004 QuoteQuoteinsurgents and or terrorists are killing more Iraqis than the US or rest of the Coalition is Mind trying to back that up? That's an outrageous claim that is not supported by the casualty figures I've seen. wondering if he meant to refer to the fact that insurgents/terrorists have killed far more Iraqis than US soldiers?not sure how that would apply to this particular thread discussion but....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #165 June 2, 2004 Well lets see... between May 2 and May 16, 47 civilians were reported killed by insurgent/terrorist mortar attacks, roadside bombs, car/sucide bombs, or gunfire... 4 were reported killed by a US airstrike... As reported by various agencies and listed here. ***I picked the dates based on the amount of time I had to go back from the most recent listed. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #166 June 2, 2004 Quotewondering if he meant to refer to the fact that insurgents/terrorists have killed far more Iraqis than US soldiers?not sure how that would apply to this particular thread discussion but.... Nope... Insurgents/Terrorists are killing more Iraqi (civilians) than we are. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #167 June 2, 2004 Ahh, you need to clarify your statement then that you were talking about civilians, you just said Iraqis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seekfun 0 #168 June 2, 2004 There are rules of engagement and the pilots know this stuff is being taped. This stupid video is leftist propoganda. Think back to Vietnam. Half the VC were farmers. Just because someone is out farming their fields today doesn't mean they didn't kill some brave Americans yesterday. Hell, give me a gun and a tractor and I'll kill you someone one minute, clean my gun the next, and get back on my tractor in an hour. As for the 30mm high explosive rounds. ROCK ON. The only things the pilots carry that are smaller are their sidearms. Have you ever tried a pistol shot from a helicopter in flight? No? Well then, 30mm it is. Get some. Get some. You too Mother F$%^&R! Get Some. That's all I have to say about that. topher "...there is a there out there..." - Tom Robbins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #169 June 2, 2004 Ron what ARE these old war movies you are so fond of ,that you keep referring to?? It seems you have a much better knowledge of them all than I do..... I wondered what you guys must get up to in Basic Training, cause its certainly not reflected in ya soldiering.....now we know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #170 June 2, 2004 QuoteGet some. Get some. You too Mother F$%^&R! Get Some Yeah....thats what the guy waving the cloth to try and show the helicopter he surrendered was saying as well..... Oh wait...hang on....sorry my mistake It wasnt that it was probably.....'dont shoot ...I'm unarmed' close... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #171 June 2, 2004 Quote Wanna place any bets on what Iraq looks like 13 months from today of course, not. but it seems with the new "president" of Iraq, there could be a chance. let them deal with each other. perhaps there will not be less dead Iraqis after US and allied troops left. these will be their own dead ones. anyhow, this president wants the US/allied to leave quickly. if possible, before end of 2005. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #172 June 2, 2004 QuoteRon what ARE these old war movies you are so fond of ,that you keep referring to?? It seems you have a much better knowledge of them all than I do..... I wondered what you guys must get up to in Basic Training, cause its certainly not reflected in ya soldiering.....now we know Well I tried to find some great modern English won battles....So far I got nothing Great training you have there."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #173 June 2, 2004 I know...thats why we are considered the best. Thanks for the support and vote of confidence. Appreciated...your boys had to shoot that guy cause they had no option....he was a threat to them We would have MADE an option , kept him alive...without risking a biscuit.....and been home in time for tea Lateral thinking.....some of us got it.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #174 June 2, 2004 QuoteNope... Insurgents/Terrorists are killing more Iraqi (civilians) than we are. Right, I just did a quick and dirty count from the ant-war http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ website. From the 1252 first casualties listed on their table (military and civilian), 584 were civilians likely killed by insurgents. The rest were either police or military deaths (US and insurgent). Again, it was quick and dirty. So just out of those numbers, where is the world outcry at the fact that the insurgents are killing civilians left and right?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #175 June 2, 2004 QuoteSo just out of those numbers, where is the world outcry at the fact that the insurgents are killing civilians left and right? There's been plenty of it. What cuold have prevented it? 1) Not going into Iraq. 2) Since we went into Iraq, go in with the support of the world community and UN, 3) Since we went into Iraq without that, go in with enough troops (the Joint Chiefs wanted more) 4) Since we didn't do that, have a solid plan for post combat operations to secure the country 5) Since we didn't do that, provide for a solid transition of power to an Iraqi government. Hopefully we'll get that last one right, but I'm not holding my breath based on our success rate so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
