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falxori

5 terror attacks in 2 days

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5 suicide bombers in 48 hours.

2-where spotted seconds before exploding and managed to kill only themselves.
1-was spotted but managed to kill a young couple
2-managed to kill at least 15 others and wound many more

not counting a few others that were caught on their way in the past week.

and all of this at the same day talks with the new palestinian PM had started...
the minute you reach out, they try to chop your hand off.

O
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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Make that 6 attacks. I was farting like a banshee in the Otter this weekend. I might have induced Hypoxia in a few people. Does this constitute a terrorist attack?

-Hixxx
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-but beauty is more now than dying’s when

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Flaxori, and all others who are in the region, you're in my thoughts. I had hoped that the new PM would be able to control and curtail the bombings, but it seems like it isn't happening that way - at least right now.

It must be hard for you guys right now...sending thoughts and vibes to you that this wave is not a tsunami, and that it ebbs very quickly.

Ciels-
Michele


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While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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Serious note: Are there any conspiracy theories about these bombings yet?



My understanding is that Hamas has claimed responsibility for each of the attacks. Hamas is backed by Syria directly (IIRC) and has a few fund-raising operations in Europe and Canada.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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My understanding is that Hamas has claimed responsibility for each of the attacks. Hamas is backed by Syria directly



Yeah yeah yeah.. sure it was Hamas... we ALL know it was secretly the CIA covert ops acting as Hamas so George W can invade Syria next.. I knwo because my hippy leftist tree hugger next door cube mate told me so...


how's THAt for a conspiracy theory?


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Yea guess Bush and Blair really made the world a safer place after all.

:P



Well we did destroy those stock piles of WMD we found in Iraq. In fact, we've destroyed every one of them that we've found so far, for a grand total of **drum roll** ZERO.

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just remember before Wyatt Earp & Doc Holliday went to war with Iraq, without consensus from the UN, i went out on a limb and predicted these attacks, got flamed for it, but i knew it would happen. we haven't seen the last of them yet either, it won't be long they may even get a little closer to the US Of A.
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"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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assholes. (I mean the terrorists, and they're not logged in, so it isn't a personal attack)

hmmm, similar shit happened right after the Oslo talks. Just when they're getting close to a real resolution which would lead to a Palestinian state, you suddenly get a bunch of suicide bombings. Almost like they want to keep it from happening.

Or maybe some of these suicide bombers are thinking, "shit, some of my friends have already martyred themselves. If anything comes from these peace talks, I will lose the opportunity. I'd best strap on some explosives & run over to Tel Aviv right now while I still can!":P

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i went out on a limb and predicted these attacks, got flamed for it, but i knew it would happen.



So you predicted that there would be terrorist attacks in the Middle East after the war? Such incredible insight! What's your next prediction, that the sun will set tonight? And we haven't seen the last of them? That is a bit more contentious, but it's a popular belief held by many, such as the editors of "DUH Magazine". :S

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>So you predicted that there would be terrorist attacks in the Middle
>East after the war? Such incredible insight!

Yep. Now that the war's over, it's time to change the objectives we didn't accomplish to the objectives we _did_ accomplish. How do you pull it off? Easy; just compare these two quotes before and after the Afghanistan war:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
George Bush 9/13/01

"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
George Bush, 3/13/02

So what do we do now? Just change the objectives, call the opponents idiots and throw some catchy war footage into the mix:

Before the war, we were adamant that Hussein had WMD's, and that we could easily prove it. We backed that up with loads of pictures of buildings with arrows and circles on them. Now we can't find any, so our objective was really to free the people of Iraq. Only an idiot would claim that Hussein would leave chemical weapons around for us to find! And wasn't that a cool video of us knocking down that statue of Hussein?

Before the war, we said we wanted to prevent dissemination of WMD's to terrorists. During the war, we sorta accidentally let loads of nuclear materials (great for dirty bombs!) walk out of UN-sealed nuclear research facilities we captured. So our new objective there is freeing the people of Iraq. And how about that statue?

Before the war we said that attacking Iraq was neccessary to reduce the threat of terrorism. Now that terrorism is on the rise worldwide, the objective is, once again, freeing the people of Iraq. What, did you really think that killing ten thousand Arabs would make them hate us less? And did you see them knock down that statue? Show that one again. They love that one.

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i'm assuming your being a smartass, so i won't get too involved with you comment. my views have been weell documented in these forums on this whole ordeal. if you haven't caught on to them by now, you haven't been here long. look for more of the same. oh....and by the way, yeah, the sun is going to set. wiseass.
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"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

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just remember before Wyatt Earp & Doc Holliday went to war with Iraq, without consensus from the UN, i went out on a limb and predicted these attacks, got flamed for it, but i knew it would happen. we haven't seen the last of them yet either, it won't be long they may even get a little closer to the US Of A.



I recall your posts to this effect. However, it was hardly a limb to predict. I can't find the statistic, but it was reported fairly widely, terrorist attacks last year were down. Total number under 200 IIRC. That is significant, and I hope the press will monitor that statistic versus this year.

BTW...re: " it won't be long they may even get a little closer to the US Of A."

The attacks on our embassies in Africa, the USS Cole and 9/11 were all on US soil. The attacks have already hit us, more than once.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Almost like they want to keep it from happening.




Ummm...dude......their STATED GOAL is to continue violence until the state of Israel is abolished. They don't give a shit about a Palestinian state. They want Israel gone. They have NO interest in any sort of settlement. Hence the waves of bombings during peace talks. If it was up to me I would let Israel off the leash.

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it was hardly a limb to predict.



it was at the time, because i was probably one of the only people with enough sense to believe that the war would only serve to heighten these attacks, no one else believed that it would. i even predicted we'd have the same people that were "screaming for vengeance" coming back months later and whining about our results from this senseless attack on Iraq. it's kinda like shooting a 7' tall moose in a 300' deep ravine, now that you've killed the bastad, what do you do with him now?
--Richard--
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Bill you never cease to amaze and amuse me with your tilt towards the left and irrational dislike of the President. You keep life interesting! We need to drink beer and talk politics sometime. Since for some odd reason I can't seem to sleep.............

Great quotes below! Let's put 'em in context.

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Yep. Now that the war's over, it's time to change the objectives we didn't accomplish to the objectives we _did_ accomplish. How do you pull it off? Easy; just compare these two quotes before and after the Afghanistan war:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
George Bush 9/13/01



TWO DAYS after 11 September...a first reaction sort of thing. Probably similar to the same one I would have had, in all likelihood, though I think I would have phrased it a bit differently. You're a smart fellow and I'm pretty sure you were thinking the same thing at the time.

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"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
George Bush, 3/13/02



A few months later. He's had some time to think stuff out. Is catching this guy more important than rendering his network impotent? I say the latter and hold that Bush was correct in changing his mind about that. Not that catching bin LOSER should be on the back burner, but definitely behind keeping us safe by rendering his networks useless.

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So what do we do now? Just change the objectives, call the opponents idiots and throw some catchy war footage into the mix:



Ohhhhhhh you don't wanna go there - at least not from the left. I'll mercifully leave this for you if you want to pursue it...........

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Before the war, we were adamant that Hussein had WMD's, and that we could easily prove it. We backed that up with loads of pictures of buildings with arrows and circles on them.



Of factories and facilities that could be used to produce these things. There were also radio intercepts, human intelligence, and other sources as well. All that coincidence? I think not.

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Now we can't find any, so our objective was really to free the people of Iraq. Only an idiot would claim that Hussein would leave chemical weapons around for us to find!



Do you REALLY think we aren't going to find any? Well, perhaps you do. Good on ya. I could hide damn near anything in the area of California and you wouldn't find it for a long while. We'll see how this plays out. You could be correct, though I don't think so.

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And wasn't that a cool video of us knocking down that statue of Hussein?



There we agree.

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Before the war, we said we wanted to prevent dissemination of WMD's to terrorists. During the war, we sorta accidentally let loads of nuclear materials (great for dirty bombs!) walk out of UN-sealed nuclear research facilities we captured.



That still is our objective. That material - how much was there? What concentrations? I do not know myself - being allowed to be looted was a bad bad move.

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So our new objective there is freeing the people of Iraq.



A worthy cause. A side effect of the campaign perhaps not stated clearly before its commencement, but a worthy cause.

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Before the war we said that attacking Iraq was neccessary to reduce the threat of terrorism. Now that terrorism is on the rise worldwide, the objective is, once again, freeing the people of Iraq. What, did you really think that killing ten thousand Arabs would make them hate us less?



OK dude. Do you REALLY think that the current levels of terrorist attacks is related entirely to Al-Quaida and not a bit to the new PM of the Palestinian Authority? Come ON MAN! There is no cookie-cutter in foreign affairs! You know that! Stop pretending! The Saudi bombings I'll grant you were DEFINITELY al-Quaida. The other stuff......draw what conclusions you like.

And where do you get that 10,000 #? What percent were military and what civilian?

C'mon Bill. Read some stuff! We all knew he had the stuff back after the first Gulf Conflict. That's why destruction and proof of destruction was a part of the post Gulf War I UN resolutions. Proof of that destruction was never provided. That - and our intelligence sources - is the reason we kept the WMD issue open until the end - and beyond.

Thank God I'm getting sleepy.

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Bill you never cease to amaze and amuse me with your tilt towards the left and irrational dislike of the President. You keep life interesting! We need to drink beer and talk politics sometime. Since for some odd reason I can't seem to sleep.............



He is a true lefty, smarter than most of them.

you want peace, take out Arafat!

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He's certainly a whole lot smarter than most of the right wing drivel merchants who inhabit this board.B|
He doesn't seem to get sucked in by the propaganda either.

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He is a true lefty, smarter than most of them.



which makes it more fun to prove him wrong (when he is...) B|

and back to the iraqi issue, removing Hussein was a strategic move more than it was a tactic move.
it will take time.
they had months to hide their WMD, and even to smuggle lots of it to syria.
and a side note on syria, yesterday's attack was by Islamic Jihad, who's HQ is in syria.
this time, unlike previous times, their leaders did not go public and brag, because syria didnt allow it due to US pressure.

O
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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That still is our objective. That material - how much was there? What concentrations? I do not know myself - being allowed to be looted was a bad bad move.



Funny how the one building in Baghdad that wasn't allowed to be looted was the Iraqi Oil Ministry. Why did the americans protect Iraqi oil records while allowing museums and hospitals to be looted?

To safeguard the Iraqis' futures? Bullshit! The average Iraqi oil well produces more oil in one day than over 700 US oil wells. Drilling a barrel of oil costs $1US in Iraq, in US it costs $10US (Saudi is $2.50US).

I suspect that the war had more to do with keeping over-sized American asses in over-sized American cars than it did about WMDs or helping out the poor (still) suffering Iraqi people.

Will

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