object classification (blimp on a string)

[leroydb 0]

haha, goofy bas*&^? too funny

but being "goofy" allows me to be unique and not part of this cookie cutter society we all call home. That, and, that's why people like me

chill, I wasn't serious man.

wow.. um maybe we can flick sometime if we're in each others area (should be in the Big OR. in dec or jan)

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...

[outrager 6]

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Hello,
A 'tethered balloon' is by definition a 'fixed object',
thus qualifies as a BASE jump, logged as 'other'.
Avery

I disagree. A baloon jump, fixed or not, is a skydive.

The definition is a bit murky here... some people i know call low-altitude helicopter jumps "skybase". Then others call McConkey a base jump. Yet others claim 60ft over the water is BASE... Whatever makes you smile, i guess
bsbd!

Yuri.

[QuickDraw 0]

You could argue, that an 'A' is just a 'B' with no clothes on.

-- Hope you don't die. --

I'm fucking winning

[Lee846 0]

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some people i know call low-altitude helicopter jumps "skybase".

... and not only helicopter jumps They think that all the jumps were made with base-purposed gear are "skybase". Even from regular skydive's altitude. It is just one reason to log the jump as a skydive -- the existence of reserve canopy on your back. And I don't know how may be logged the jump with Sorserer rig.

Between two evils always pick theone never tried

[NickDG 23]

Gee, I wish Carl Boenish was still alive to lead us out of this . . .

Carl was a very progressive thinker, and if we are to ever figure this out, we should try to carry that progressiveness on.

I know when sneaking in a jump from Basic Research’s tethered (at 600-feet) balloon in the pre-potato days of their FJC, it sure felt like any other BASE jump I had made. I mean, I was wearing BASE gear and the spot where I'd crater, if it all went wrong, wasn’t moving. It just didn’t feel like skydiving, at all.

However, a few years prior, while making skydiving balloon jumps, I did an emergency exit from a balloon, that blew its top on the way to 4000-feet at 1200-feet. I knew, going over the side, that I was skydiving

I personally like to think a BASE jump is anything that’s not a skydive, and that includes rollovers and the like. The new definition of a BASE jump might be something like how the Supreme Court defines pornography. You know it when you see it.

When Phil Smith, BASE 1, jumped from a moving train crossing the Pecos River in Texas in the early 1980s, it was certainly considered a BASE jump, so the “fixed” part has already been a murky concept for years.

You can’t say BASE has to do with low altitude, as there are many (relatively) high ones.

When we tried to get the FAA to grant us a waiver to exit the Otter on a pass down the runway at 500-feet (for air shows) the only reason they even considered it, was we convinced them we weren’t skydiving, we were BASE jumping.

But, that wouldn't square with (green) Jean Boenish's fondness for BASE, because it didn't involve carbon-spewing airplanes.

In the end I like to think Carl would have left it this way - "A BASE jump is a BASE jump. A skydive is a skydive. And I think everyone here already knows the difference."

Nick BASE 194

[RayLosli 11]

wow.. um maybe we can flick sometime if we're in each others area (should be in the Big OR. in Dec. or Jan.)
............................................

Make sure you get a hold of me if you make it out here.
We will for sure do a couple jumps.

I might have gone a little over board, calling you Goofy.but....
I'm sticking to my guns on the Bastard part.

[leroydb 0]

haha *smirk*, ok you old fart

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...

[sum1sneaky 0]

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Would anyone be willing to actually pay to jump a balloon if it was able to make multiple climbs to the end of its tether? Like invite one in for a boogie or a gather at someplace like the legal span in the west?

I would pay some, but not more than $15 per jump (that's about what each base jump has cost me when I average all the money I've spent base jumping and when I don't consider gear purchases because that is paid for with plasma). I would jump that balloon every morning if you'd fill it up near my house - and work extra hours for the jump $$. Is it a BASE jump though? NO!!! Balloons/blimps are aircraft - whoever thinks they're connected to the earth doesn't know what the word "grounded" means! I'm with Ray 100%, it's a skydive that you need base gear for. It's still fun.

What about the difference between legal and illegal jumps - I know the bridge during the day is certainly less of a BASE jump than some of the jumps I've made at night!

[BASE813 0]

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don't consider gear purchases because that is paid for with plasma

the first time I read this when you posted it sometime ago, I thought you were joking........... you really did sell your soul for it hey!

[Faber 0]

any "object" that can fly,hove must be considderet as an non fixed object,if it aint a fixed object it cant be a BASE jump,in doubt log it as a skydive

that easy...

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[leroydb 0]

or an "O."

its ur log...

Leroy


..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio...

[Faber 0]

i do the same about Os as i do for B.A.S.E. it has to be an fixed object or i log it as a skydive...

Os are still fixed objects,they just cant be defined clear by B.A.S.E. but if its fixed and you jump it,its still an BASE object.

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[ManBird 0]

Wait... so people actually log BASE jumps? Like with a book? Hell, I don't even log skydives. I keep a tally, and that's about it. Well, with as few BASE jumps as I have, they're just committed to memory right now. So, if I was asked to classify a blimp or balloon I'd jumped, I'd just say, "fuck it, I jumped it."

"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯"

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[Faber 0]

yup i need to keep hold on the #s of slider ups(1 so far) so i one day when i get 100 slider ups can jump some of the legal Bs around the worldbut by the #s right now it looks like ill have 13700BASE jumps before i have 100 slider ups.. so i guess by that time it will be good to point a finger at my jump#29 were i made my sofar only slider up

besides that its really fun to read funny comments after returned back from a trip.. well atleast i think so..

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[base428 1]

I stopped logging skydives and BASE jumps nearly a year ago. It's kinda nice not knowing how many I have, and not having to compare (or be compared) to anyone else.

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Hell, I don't even log skydives.

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[Faber 0]

but you would like some kind of evidence if an nknown jumper showed up at BD ready to jump by him self.At least you would like to know that the guy can take care about himself right...

what i mean is that you have a name.. evryone knows who you are and alot of what you have done.. noone ever gonna ask you about to prove anything to jump the object...

I can see why you dont log,even as i think ill log all my jumps(atleast BASE)to the fun of it,to give each jump the creidt that makes it posibly to go back and rember THAT jump on a regular work day...

were all different,and have different reassons to do stuff,some people (like me)who really wants to jump some of the fun stuff need to hold track of the info in case ill be asked for it at a given time...

As most know i never went to any big meetings yet,first i like the small group thing,second,i manegede to use all my mony before i can pay such a trip,third most of thouse events claims a slider which im scared about

One day ill visit BD,Moscow and Kurlalumpo(and perhaps even the big walls in LB and Norway) i i dont use all my mony on gadgets and beers

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[NickDG 23]

I also stopped logging all my jumps in the early 90s, as just another way to rebel I suppose, but now I really wish I hadn’t done that. When I go back and look at my logbooks it gives me a timeline, both for my life, and for my book. Chasing down dates and names has proven to be the biggest obstacle to finishing my book on BASE jumping. Sometimes those logbook entries from twenty or thirty years ago sparks memories that would be otherwise be lost to time.

I’ve learned the present never seems important enough to document until it is wrapped in the passage of time.

I sat in a hotel banquet room in 1987 as Carl Boenish is awarded the USPA Achievement Award three years after he had died. I sat in the back (it was all skydivers in attendance) with a little red logbook Jean Boenish handed me and I looked at what Carl wrote in his own hand about the BASE jumps he had made. It would have been a real loss if Carl had not recorded that stuff,

And besides, who know what the future holds for any of us? Which one of you will be the historical figures of tomorrow? If some poor schmuck, thirty years from now, is trying to piece together events (the ones you thought weren’t very important at the time) because you added something to the human condition, it does become important.

I designed, published, and sold the first logbook for BASE jumping (BASELog) there ever was, even when I wasn’t logging myself.

Don’t make the same mistake.

Nick BASE 194

[base428 1]

Good point, Nick.

I guess it really depends on the person. I logged my jumps for 11 years and never once went back to read them. If I have to read a logbook to trigger a memory somewhere down the road, then it probably wasn't anything special to remember in the first place.

I just think, as of late, that jumpers are *very* much caught up in the numbers game. I've heard many jumpers say that they're going to the Perrine and they're "going to make 25 jumps". I go to the Perrine not to make X number of jumps, but to have a good time and jump until I'm tired or satisfied. It's not about the numbers to me.

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[460 0]

Life's so busy and so full it's easy to forget even some of the memorable jumps! Definitely log them! I need to follow my own advice since I stopped logging a couple years ago. My skydiving logbook finally got filled with base jumps.

Looks like a death sandwich without the bread - Steve Deadman Morrell, BASE 174

[Rauk 0]

In my opinion though, depending on what it is you are doing off said span can make it quite a jump as well. At least in my last few weeks, the jumps I have done from the spud have scared me more than many of the other jumps I have done (night or day). At the same time, the night "A" really has a way of puckering me up good.
Soft Landings

[outrager 6]

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I’ve learned the present never seems important enough to document until it is wrapped in the passage of time.

This is so true! Going through old logbooks is a lot of fun, it brings up plenty of warm memories. In fact, logbooks (and videos) seem to be the only recollection of certain especially well-done party trips I still log BASE jumps for this reason, but lost track of skydives a few years ago.

Peeking into somebody else's logbook opens a whole new world of joy
As far as going for the numbers, one of my good friends (currently the best jumper in his field) does not log his jumps specifically to avoid this issue. He has a good memory, though

Numbers are becoming somewhat meaningless anyway since everybody has a different idea about what is or isn't a BASE jump, and counting objects is harder than Florida votes - people will never agree on this one.

bsbd!

Yuri.

[RayLosli 11]

any "object" that can fly,hove must be considderet as an non fixed object,if it aint a fixed object it cant be a BASE jump,in doubt log it as a skydive

that easy...

Stay safe
Stefan Faber
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Dude I Got 16 BASE Jumps from a Blimp.
"I'm Good To GO !"

If you Cabled it down to Earth.
Then Attaching the Cables to, Permanent Footings .
With the intention of, Never Flying the Blimp or Balloon.

It would be a BASE Object.

[badenhop 0]

I was taught to keep an accurate skydiving logbook in 1981. Keeping track of your first 100 jumps was important. Twenty something years later, nobody really looks at your skydiving logbook anymore, unless you ask them to. After logging the first 100, I developed a compulsive habit of logging each and every jump, accurately. It has carried on in my BASE jumps, all jumps accurately logged, haven't missed any. It is very cool to go back through the books occasionally and relive the precious seconds. Hope I'm there to log my last BASE jump.

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I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton

http://www.AveryBadenhop.com

[Faber 0]

psst i look at the rope as a part of the Blimp or balloon,no i dont think its a BASE jump,but sure is a fun jump anyway..

its all personal

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[DexterBase 1]

How about cutting the rope, then holding onto the end. Let the blimp pull you up as you hand-over-hand up the rope. You can bring your iPod so you'll have some good Mission Impossible tunes going.

Damn, this is sounding like fun. How many will this blimp carry?