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That is true, see my own example. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

That's just stupid, the Vector RSL setup is IMHO opinion superior to others. But this is not an issue here! A too short RSL lanyard will always pull the reserve pin out, which setup it is on what so ever. This summer I grounded a rig, during a pin-check which had such a too short setup. (this was on the left (Reserve ripcord through RSL ring setup)) When jumper geared down, hanging the rig on the risers would actually move the reservepin! (cause was a rigging error using an incorrect RSL) Lengtening/ replacing a RSL can be easily done in the field, why send to the manufactorer? The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I read it, that's why I used "apperently" instead of just never. Did you contact Bill Booth already on those cases? And were they on Vector II ? In case, they're still redundant now... :) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

see: http://www.relativeworkshop.com/pdf_files/09121.pdf For a picture See: http://www.relativeworkshop.com/pdf_files/09351.pdf Page 14 for function explanation The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

No It was intended (apperently never used) as a secondary reserve handle, since on a tandem you couldn't use the reservehandle with your right hand. (passenger was in the way). Making the reserve handle a loop made the ball redundant. Also the ball frequently interfered with the 3 ring system, making it possible for the system to lock up. (don't know if this ever happend during a live cutaway). Also for the trivia: The yellow tab didn't replace the crystall ball, it was always there. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

nice teamwork of the instructors, changing sides, because of the turn. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

That's so true. Now both a vidiot and a tandemmaster. It's something you do together for a paying customer. I hate it when tandemmasters make a jump on their own, with just an anoying weight in front of them. Making a big show for the video, so they have all the attention and not the passenger. I even had a tandemmaster who didn't even care to land next to me on the DZ, but just landed 200 meter next to me, so he didn't have to walk to the car (and wasn't interested in spotting me) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

untill about 2 km out we can still see from our hangar. If it's further out, the tandem couldn't make the DZ if the camera couldn't. Also The Netherlands is very densly populated, when we land out we usually have people around us (non jumpers) within 2 minutes. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I will only respond 1 more time, because this is a useless discussion. I will say again, on my DZ this will not be a significant difference and I know a number of DZ's in The Netherlands which this would be no difference at all. The terrain may be easier to reach for the ambulance then the DZ. Don't forget, the world is bigger then the USA. (In The Netherlands, wherever you land a paramedic is ready to treat you within 15 minutes (it's law and they're very strict about this). The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

This entirely depends on the terrain you're landing at and the DZ. At my DZ this would not be a significant difference. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Trouble is, second hand cypres I isn't always as easy to find... (and very expensive compared to 3rd generation, but that's not an issue for you) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Argus in mine The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I presumme you ment "yes" . The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Just out of curiosity, did you peel? On my reserveride on a Vector 2 tandem I had alot of trouble cutingaway, untill I realised I forgot to peel (took about 2 seconds). After the peel, cutaway could be done with 2 fingers. (lineover EZ) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

it aint rocket sience, but you can't compare a bull with a cow and say the bull is malfunctioning cause it ain't giving milk. I wasn't even talking about the test on the AFF jump, since it is irrelevant. Experimental unit doing wat was predicted it was supposed to do. (fire in standard mode on a extreme swoop jump mounted in front) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

And once again you demonstrate your inability to grasp the invalidities of the report. Only 2 AAD's cutters were compared. Both in completly different circumstances, with an unequal setup of the loop. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Peter, having a vork, a spoon and a knife avaible. Then using the vork to eat your soap, doesn't make the spoon defect. If you don't get this comparison you don't get the test. (certainly if you want to sustain your comments on another fatality, in which you either forgot some facts or don't have them all). Speaking of the test jumps, the manufactorer indicates beforehand this particular unit wouldn't function the way Jo wanted too on the said setup. Not really an amazing conclusion. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I answered yes to that too, don't think of it as a serious option, so no serious answer was needed. Only signal I give them are 2 taps on the shoulder, for them to grab the harnas. Keep them away from my handles. (But what do I know, only 10 commercial tandems so far... ) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I fully disagree, other then some people getting it right the first time, alot of students do ok their first jump. In any case only a very few suck at their first jump. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Lol, what I know about patents it's probably numberd "pend" The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Look, jerome, Like I said before and will again. As a manufactorer I understand you have to make sure you can't be sued, so as a business decision I understand the bulletin. But then, if you truly can't see the conditions of testing were completly different and unreproducible for both the cutter tests, further discussing has no use. I am not skilled in developing skydiving equipment. I am in preparing experimental setups, in other words make gathering data usefull. The data generated (or lack of thereoff) by Jo Oosterveer is trash and random. Since tension on all loops could be completly different, knots could be of different sizes and tapes on different places conditions aren't equal. Also 1 cutter was tested in chamber, while other was tested clutterd in a pouch. This is only tip of the iceberg, commenting only on the way this "homeplay" (almost hoax) was setup. If you want to get into details on proper cutter function you should look at the reply of argus further in this thread commenting on cutter design differences. I want to be very clear on this. I do not yet endorse Argus, I have it in my rig and I trust them enough to use it myself. This is attributed on a reasonable part on the conversations I've had with the people behind Argus. For me to endorse Argus fully to my students Argus has to prove itself in the field first. So far Argus is the ONLY AAD ever without an incident in the field, off course this is also because they are new. What I am truly pissed about is that it only takes 1 out of control rigger to trash a new manufactorer this way, without any true arguments if you pop the hot air bubble. But now I'm beginning to rant.... The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Uhmm.. you know it is patented? Just call RWS, uhm, i mean UPT (juch) and pay Bill his hard earned money. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

I'm a true Bill beard follower and marvel about his inovations, but this is not his invention as far as I know. Have heard of magnetic riser covers for some years now. But knowing bill he perfected them anyways. ( Watt also didn't invent the steam engine) The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

Wrong Peter, learn to understand test scenario's. They way the test was setup, this cannot be verified. Also it cannot be verified they were jumping a production unit. Lastly the test setup (pocket of unknown material on unspecified, any case wrong placement) makes the result irrelevant. Not even speaking of the lack of data. We all know this rigger has some issues. Hmm, Aviacom may disagree, since they did alot more live test jumps. This rigger didn't do ANY dedicated test jump. NOT EVEN ONE. This is simply not the case, or in any case cannot be verified. He's comparing apples and oranges. This is also the reason why the dutch authorities have distanced themselves from this rigger. From what I've heard he didn't impress alot of people in Paris also. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

To replace the batteries, a repack is needed. So most probably only riggers will replace the batteries. Furthermore, concerning the bulletin in general, you can indeed give out any bulletin you wish. I can agree or disagree with your arguments, but that's trivial. Also in The Netherlands, the authorities can just as easy ignore the bulletin if they wish. The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...