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Really? Are you saying that video is not useful for AFF? The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Thanks for all the feedback. I think that there may be a few viable options out there. Maybe not with a complete club but we may be able to get some kind of a 'Welcome Home' tandem operation going. I could bring in a few TMs from local DZs and create a DZ for a day type of thing (just a little brain storming here). MWR would subdize the jumps which would get the plane flying. I'm at Camp Lejeune NC so we have plenty of aircraft and open spaces. I think that there would be plenty of interest and commanders would support it. The only problem would be allowing civilian TMs on to mil-air. Lots of ideas floating around in all this empty space I have ... The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

BUMP! Anyone know what became of this effort? It looks like it was not successful But I'd like to get any details available. There may be an opportunity available for me to get things moving on the USMC side of the house. I'd like to pull as much info as possible from those that have already done this before I put my ass in the breeze on this Thanks. D The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Dave, Can you post pics or a link that shows your AFF camera set up? I've looked for the Drift but can't find one on the gear websites. From what you describe it souds like a Contour. What's the difference? ETA - lifted this from another thread about the Drift. http://www.chutingstar.com/newgear_en/drift-hd170-stealth-camera.html D The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Great to see you again Steve! Yes, I know that I saw you last weekend.... Got some alcohol going on down here too brother The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Are you kidding me! I was in Chicago a few days ago (4th of July). All I could do was stare at the skyscrapers and think to myself that people made base jumps there. I dare you to stand on the street and not be amazed! Holy shit - they actually flew through downtown Chicago! I'm still blown away. Flying a Cessna there would take watermelon sized balls, let alone an unpowered wing. Amazing. D The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Skydive Orange - no dogs or kids allowed. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

AFTER you are decided that you plan to stick around the sport, go with a custom made suit. I'm 5'8 - 200 and other people's clothes just don't work. Once I finally got my skills up to flying with everyone else then added a well made suit the difference was night and day. But I reiterate - the flying skills came first but after a lot of unsuccessful jumps. Don't depend on gear to make up for what you lack in ability. Be patient and you will get there. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

The DZO is a firend of mine and good guy. The issue is that he just opened the place and only doing tandems until things settle out. He wants to build some rapport with the community before unleashing jumpers on them. So it will probably be next year before its open for up jumpers. He's not being a hater - just trying to get his business off the ground first. Chester would be your best bet but Raeford is well worth the drive (about 2 hours). D The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

How or why does that matter? Just because something was done before doesnt mean that its okay now. USPA changed the system for a reason. We are certainly better off requiring that someone be trained to jump with students. At my DZ coached dont get paid. I didnt get it at first but now it makes sense to me. By removing the money from the equation the only thing left is skydiving and the teaching. To become an instructor, which the coach rating is the first step in the process, you have to start somewhere. I dont see any better alternatives out there. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Time. Damn War on Terror keeps getting in the way of my jumping. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Take an interest in everything. Thanks, Dad. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Agreed! 2K is my number but knowing myself, I'll keep going if I'm close enough. And yes you are correct - that's how people end up dead. But as I recommended earlier, we all have to be preparred to live and die with these choices. Where did the quote coe from that says 'it's not a tragedy to die doing something you love'? Truer words have never been spoken. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Like others have said, you probaly won't get your rating pulled. But as a rating holder, hell as a skydiver in general, you have to decide what you are going to do. Make that decision before you get in the plane and be prepared to live (or die) with it. Personally - I've got no friends under 2K. I'd most likely keep trying till around 1500 but absolutely no lower. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

C'mon Ski! It never stopped you before The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

The debate is about responsibility as well. A coach is not responsible for pulling for a student. The AFFI is. This is the line in the sand drawn by the USPA. And any coach trying to pull for a student is outside their box and could potentially be negligent. No one wants to watch someone bounce. But as a coach thats exactly what you are supposed to do if a student fails to save their own life. Once cleard for self supervision, the assumption is that the student can and will end their freefall without intervention. No coach should ever attempt to exceed their training limits. D The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

I agree in principle but have trouble with an absolute. Most folks that come back from a layoff dont need to repeat the FJC. But there are a few that turn up occasionally in need of complete retraining. Maybe its just my military schoolin that likes the idea of a more extensive recurrency requirement. Sometimes you just really need more than one or two jumps to get back up to speed. Thats not necessarily a bad thing. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Just did that yesterday! Me being the student, that is Just to show that I'm no hypocrite - I had to do my own recurrency after coming back from deployment. Game on baby! The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

That's my point - no requirement. Should there be? The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

The SIM disagrees with you. Section 5-2 covers recurrency training and the need to cover changes and advancements. My point here is that it's one big grey area. It's totaly up to the DZ staff how to handle jumpers coming back after a layoff. Granted, it has to ba a case by case basis but after a certain period of time you are no longer trained or safe. Things do change. Todays canopies are much faster than they used to be and they are flown quite differently. It's not just about the individual but also the environment they are flying in. I've done recurrency & transition jumps with folks like this. There is truly a huge gap that has to be filled in. The FJC is probably the best way to do it. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Excellent decision making. Especially the service uniforms at the 5 sided hotel. I felt for you guys when that happened and its good to see a wrong finally righted. Semper Fi The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Thanks, John. I think you have something there. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Dont we all? The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

RE: Chasing a student A previous post discussed a D licensed jumper that came back after 18 years. He was made to do a recurrency jump (as required) with an AFFI, then turned over to a coach. Are we doing this the right way? My take is that after being gone for a while you should start over. Take the entire FJC and go through all the jumps. But how long should that period be? At some point you are no longer qualified to jump. The gear evolves, EPs change, aircract are different, and technology moves us forward. But according to our current rules you can come back at any time, do a recurrency jump, and be good to go. I disagree. Thoughts? D The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.

Vibes and prayers on the way. The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all.