GrabGrass

RIIIIIGHT!! SURE you do.....! The meds from your little Boo Boo makin' ya say funny things?! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

...that we're only two bullets away from a Beatles reunion?! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

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Quote Again, it's not what they say, it's what they can prove. And you are right about one thing, I may be skeptical to a fault, but MY experience taught me that it's all about the hard evidence. The "story" is nothing but words, and they change with time. "Pictures and Props, Prove & Persuade" a judge and jury to believe the story. MY WIFE can "tell me" the dog is out back laying eggs, but until I SEE it for MYSELF, I ain't starting an omelet! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

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Dude, you're not a cop. How or why could you say if you would have secured the scene? No, I'm not anymore but I was for 12 years in Detroit, MI. And securing the scene is SOP following ANY shooting. ESPICALLY if people are bleeding. YOU SECURE THE WEAPON FIRST! It is still a threat to you and the other officers until it is in POLICE custody. PERIOD! What if the "Gun Fairy" resumes shooting at law enforcement or civilians? You keep telling us a gun was found, WHERE is this information? Quote your source! When someone mentions that they're going to get a gun and 3 guys are congregating outside a car with the doors open and are observed or heard to be making gestures about shooting someone that's good reason to believe that the firearm is in the car and they're about to take actions on their threats. I don't know how to make this any clearer to you, IF that all is true and the UC approached them without his weapon and shield, then he made a mistake! You keep parroting the officers that are playing CYA. Brandishing WHAT GUN?! Tell us what this obscure newspaper is you alone seem to have access to? Where are you getting these "facts"? So you're telling me if this is the only evidence you were presented with, you would clear anyone from running over cops dead and ramming their cars? IF the officer were on the stand in court, the questioning would revolve around why he approached the car in the first place. If he said to investigate a possible gun threat, he would be asked if he actually saw a gun and if so is it common procedure to attempt to detain and question and armed suspect while he himself us unarmed and unable to identify himself as a police officer. Especially with armed back up so close. He would be asked if he did everything according to procedure, and if he had it to do again would he have done anything different. And THAT is the question that no matter HOW he answers either put himself or the police agency itself at liability. It went BAD, did inadequate training factor in it, or were the UC's "John Wayne-ing" the situation escalate it to an unmanageable point. No, I'm not a NYC police officer but I bet that they are not instructed to approach any individual(s) thought to be armed , without a weapon drawn and a badge displayed. You said it yourself, panic / confused situation. Why no U turn, it can be argued they were scared, they are NOT TRAINED for these scenarios, the police are supposed to be. Yes, I have testified in gun cases adnauseam and this one stinks. Polishing my crystal ball, I'll venture a guess as to how this will end up. No chance this ever sees the inside of a court room. The suspects / victims will be paid 7 figures in a closed settlement without the NYPD receiving any responsibility or blame. IAB will investigate and make recommendations, a new set of "training standards" will be put in place so the Mayor and Police administration can point to all they are doing to insure this never happens again. I'm proud of what I do my friend. At least I can sleep at night not making assumptions on what "I would do or what I should have done." if I were a cop. Good for you, then stick to it. And I'm glad you can sleep at night assuming that your police force is infallible and never make mistakes. The officers involved probably aren't sleeping to well because they know that no matter what actually happened, it's WHAT YOU CAN PROVE that counts, and from the media reports that the rest of the world excluding yourself has been following seems to say, there is a whole lot about their story that the available evidence contradicts. You make a great prosecuting atty! You're so objective! No thanks, no money in it! And if I had to work this case I would No Bill it because it's a guaranteed loser. I would much rather defend the suspects / victims because that's a slam dunk and I'd get an easy percentage of the awarded sum. ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

Quote So....you're saying it's NOT an AN-2?! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

Let me preface by saying I agree nothing is cut and dried, and I'm all for sorting this out before making judgement. As to "us" being poor jurors, I've testified in over 100 court cases involving shootings and one thing I have come to believe is that where there is smoke there is fire. We were not there to witness any of these events that took place. That's true, so let's take the evidence and ascertain the facts from that. Was there a gun found? No. Did anyone SEE a gun thrown away? No one that has come forward. No one saw a thing. This is NY if anyone sees a gun on the floor they're not going to do what you non-city folk will do. They'll pick it up and hide it in their pocket? Why? It's a free fuckin' gun, that's why? It can be sold for money or it can be used in an assassination and it can't be traced. In this situation, police identified a man that was near the vehicle when this happened but disappeared shortly after. That all make a great story, PROVE it in court. "IF" there was a gun, and it "WAS" brandished resulting in 51 rounds being fired, I DAMN sure would have secured the scene and located that weapon as my first priority. Failing to do so is poor police work, unless of course there wasn't a gun in which case the "Gun Fairy" running away with it is a handy excuse. I've worked with a lot of ex-convicts in the mailroom and as couriers. I've heard it from the horses' mouth about how they're very adamant about not ever going back to jail and that they'll kill a cop if they have to in order to stay out of jail and retain their freedom. I've heard a majority of the ex-cons mention this to me and most of them feel the same exact way. So what? Did YOU personally or anyone else for that matter hear any of these suspect / victims make that statement? If so bring them forward, if not, might as well read "Green Eggs and Ham" in court, it would carry the same weight. The argument ended with one of the passenger #1 gesturing with his hands to the drug dealer that he was going to shoot him. Then, passenger#1 told passenger #2 that he was going to shoot the muthaf#$! and to go get his gun. So at this point we have at best, Terrorist Threat of Bodily Injury...IN A BAR! Certainly probably cause for further investigation, but these UC's were unarmed at the time, why didn't they allow the armed back up team to intervene then and there if they thought the threat credible? Hum...maybe they didn't think it was. The undercover police that were working inside the club overheard this and followed the men outside to their car. Undercover cop#1 approached the men in the vehicle and identified himself as a police officer. And did so verbally ONLY. The weapons and shields were with the back up team. So either they didn't think the suspects were really armed, or they are incredibly wreckless and / or poorly trained. The passenger in the front seat had brandished his gun. So you say, where is that gun again? No gun, no threat. So the cop reacted on what he was trained to do, his life was in eminent danger because that passenger had a gun in his hand. Or, it could be argued that he disregarded his training entirely and that's how he got in that situation in the first place. The driver had a depraved indifference to human life by trying to run people over. Or was he acting in fear for his life having just had a confrontation with a known drug dealer in which he may have felt threatened, then was approached by someone unknown to him 'claiming' to be a police officer shouting orders? You wouldn't wait to shoot until you got shot at, would you? No, but I would verify the threat existed in the first place before firing, and DAMN well would have noticed the threat continuing (as in incoming fire) before I started on the second magazine! Funny there are no MT casings or GSR with the suspects / victims, guess the "Gun Fairy" picked up the empties and washed their hands too. Read more than one newspaper. Watch more than one news excerpt. Next time get your facts first before you become Judge, Jury and Executioner. You guys would make lousy jurors in NYC. Really lousy ones! And as far as a prosecuting Attorney, you make one heck of a mail clerk! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

I know...it's an AN-2 !

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No, but I HAVE fudged my LICENSE number! Edited to add: TRIPLE DIGETS on the post #'s! Where's my PIE?! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

No kidding! I use to fry ants with glass like that...with MOON LIGHT! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

Of course not, because it's an AN-2 ! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

Is there a schedule of the dates and times of the seminars? I can't find it on the website you listed. Thanks ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

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Ever met a Lawyer or an Accountant that COULD READ ?! Much less one on the Federal Teat??? ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

Hey, you two O L D * G U Y S ! Just so I know when it's coming, a what point in time does doin' the "fun bag face slap with a bevy of gutter sluts" fall so far behind sitting in a freaking CANOE....... that it doesn't even make the list?! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

Yeah...the ones who's KIDS probably now jump the jet at WFFC! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

Quote I saw 'Band of Brothers' twice! does that count? ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

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2 questions; What does she charge, and is she free on Friday? ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

It GRABgrass, not CRABgrass! Anyway...I just cut & pasted the main part of YOUR post entry away from all the other stuff from other people that was on top of it, just makes it easier to read. Kind of a lazy bunch here, they may not read all the way to the "good stuff" ...your post! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~

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*** Did I read that right?! ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~