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We did some formation loads at Perris last Sunday -- 32 ways. We got to the 2nd point on 3 of th 4 jumps. Jerry was on the load and no, we didn't drag him out as part of the base. He flew his slot, just like everyone else on the load! Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

The '76 SCR Scrambles, with the 76 way nude ground star? Sweating, naked people dancing around the road flares? We only had 75 and someone took the diaper off a baby and was jumping over the road flares holding up the baby? Reminded me a a scene fro a National Geographic special, finding the pagan ritual in the middle of the jungle. It only took me about an hour afterward to find where my wife hid my clothes. Blue Skies! Great Memories! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Linny What happened to your knee? See you in a couple of weeks, then. Red is a great color for a parachute! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

So there we were at Perris, when a whuffo comes up to me and asks about all the windblades and wind streamers on the DZ. For those of you who don't know, Perris often has shifting winds and if you want to land into the wind you pick a streamer and land near it. "Why do you have all those flags all over the field out there?" asks the whuffo. So I told him: "Well, you know how sometimes when you're driving along the road and see a cross with flowers on it?" "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Is that like I consider October 11, 1969 my birthday? Can't remember what to call the event that happened in 1948. Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Sandy- You're bringing back a lot of good memories! Those were the days! Skydivers have more fun than people!!! Remember when sex was safe and skydiving was dangerous? Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

In 1986, a group of jumpers had about half the seats on a Mexicana DC-9 leaving from Tijuana to Mazatlan. On rotation, someone yelled out "Blue Skies" and got the traditional response. The whuffos on board were somewhat puzzled. Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

It's not really that bad. A lot of people do it every year going to Lost Prairie! Another option is to UPS the camping gear to yourself c/o the DZ, and then have it shipped back We've done that a couple of times when we've loaded up a rental plane to go somewhere and the camping gear would have put us over weight. Whatever you do, have fun!!! Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

When the King Air at Taft hit a sheep on landing, everyone was really bummed. Not only was the plane down so they couldn't jump, but the local sheep was dead too! "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

The girl kneeling was Pat's girlfriend at the time, just can't remember her name. Sparky Bobbie Gallo "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

That's the trip -- Actually, I think it was everything south of his pelvis. Isn't that where he first got the hardware in his femur? Let's all sing a "Hymn" to his memory! Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Linny- See me at Perris this Weekend. I teach at a couple of schools at LGB. Red is a wonderful color for your Canopy. Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Go to http://www.aopa.org/learntofly/ Then feel free to email me with any questions. I was a banker for 25 years, got "retired" 7 years agao. Now working full time as an independent CFI. Best office window I can imagine! Blue Skies! harry Leicher 2004 CFI of the Year, FAA Western Pacific Region "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

---------------------------------------------------------- Some of us are still married . :o) bozo I was when I went there in 1979 -- two months later I wasn't. Can't go back any more. Married again. Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Don't now how to do these "clicky" things, but go to http://www.angelsladiesbrothel.com/airplane.htm Fran sold the ranch a few years ago and it's now known as "Angel's Ladies" "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

How did things go today? Blue Skies! harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I've still got my "Support Your Local Hooker" T-shirt. I was at the meet in 1977, and was on the winning team in the 5 way scrambles. The prize was a 30 minute gift certificate, and according to my logbook entry the name of the prize was "Christine." Oh yes, there's a trophy. The girls though my solid red Paradactyl looked like a giant valenetine. Joe, knocking on the door in the morning: "Harry, are you up yet?" Female voice from under the covers: "Not yet, but I'm working on it." Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

If I missed this somewhere earlier in the thread sorry, but -- Does anyone have the details on the horizontal sppeds of the ski jumpers on the 90 meter jump? It may be that we're trying to re-invent the wheel, and there are people who already are landing on slopes at speeds (horizontal and vertical) close to what a wingsuit can provide. P.S. -- I'll watch ... from a distance. Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

[reply I won't ever waive a BSR unless the alternative carries at least an equivalent level of safety. That's the key issue. Another example might be the obstacle clearance, limited to winds being from a certain direction. Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Lisa- Brenda appreciates it when I walk into Square 1 to order a new jumpsuit. She's not going to have to wait for hours while I decide on the colors. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

At least I have some IFR students!!! Most of the rental planes don't leak too badly, and I can get the students to preflight while I watch from the office. Even when it's really bad, they want to do work in the Sim. We don't get wet like Amy, Debbie, & Janna will in the tunnel! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

As a VERY active CFI and Aviation Safety Counselor for two FSDO's, I get to talk with a lot of the Ops Inspectors. You can go on for hours debating the interpretation of an FAR. Often, it depends on which Ops Inspector you talk to. Different FSDO managers may have different interpretations of the same FAR. Until the FAA's General Counsel issues a written interpretation, nothing is set. I once saw this sign on the wall of a FSDO: "Arguing with an FAA Inspector is like wrestling with a pig in the mud. After an hour you realize the pig likes it!" If the pilot and jumpers are really concerned with rules, the best thing is to do this in a country which doesn't have any rules about this kind of stunt. Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

OK, my turn to add some interpretations. If the person leaving the plane does not have a parachute, it's not a "parachute operation" and 14 CFR 105 doesn't apply. When Jimmy Tyler left the plane without a rig, the intent was to use a parachute for landing. That's what put the activity under Part 105. Same with the videographer without a rig in 1988. There was an intent to use a parachute. Dar Robinson made a number of jumps from a helicopter into an airbag. I remember that happening at an air show, the FAA was there, no problem. What's the difference between that stunt and landing a wingsuit? My guess is none. If the person does have a parachute system, and 1) It conforms with the requirements of Part 105, 2) Precautions are taken to avoid damage or injury to property or persons on the ground, or other aircraft, it's my guess that the FAA would be satisfied. Most of them think we're crazy, The simplest way? Just don't admit that it was done in U.S. airspace! Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

A downwind landing with a PLF is more survivable than a canopy collision at 100 feet. Or better yet -- spread out the landings Blue Skies! Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Don't forget the tip at the end of the day!! Blue Skies Harry "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."