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You could sell it on ebay, like this person, with no mention of it being expired: http://cgi.ebay.com/Airtec-Expert-Cypres-AAD-skydive-skydiving-parachute_W0QQitemZ7193955044QQcategoryZ106980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Current bid $102

Does that mean static line jumps don't count, because they don't pull for themselves? We can agree to disagree on this, I'm just arguing for arguements sake

For the same reason we are supposed to send vibes when some post whore gets a cold, or has a minor fender-bender, or thier goldfish dies. It is called satire.

You exit a plane in flight, expose yourself to more risks than jumping solo, and you say it doesn't count? You might not learn anything new, but that isn't the def. of a skydive. Viking: I say it counts. USPA says it counts towards a license. Every TM/TI I have ever talked to say it counts. Besides, it doesn't matter in the larger scheme of things. You could wake up tomorrow and decide to claim you have 10x the jumps you have, and nothing would change. Your jump tickets wouldn't get cheaper, you wouldn't make more money, and most experienced jumpers won't be impressed.

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And if the jumper is killed by a expired cypres deploying at the wrong time, are you going to explain to the family of the dead jumper that you thought it would be fine to use an expired piece of electronics?

Could you direct this jumper to this thread and get her to post on what happened so we can all learn. Since she is still alive, maybe her mistake could teach all of us something.

Would you go against the manufacturers recomendations and change the risers on your rig. PDF rigs all come with integrity risers, I have contacted them in the past about changing the risers and they don't recommend it, they don't even manufacture a standard riser. So if PDF owners were to change they would have to use a riser from another manufacturer. Mismatching gear is recipe for more trouble. If you were told that Aerodyne's miniforce system was the best would you rush out and change your risers even though the particular manufacturer of your rig told you not to. I agree mismatched gear is a recipe for more trouble, but in the USA, the rigger is responsible for determining compatibility. Knowing what I know about reverse risers, there is no way I would jump them. Aerodyne would tell you the miniforce risers are the best things out there. RWS would say the same thing about the standard 3-ring. Sunpath has come out in the past and said you must use Sunpath replacement parts. Does that mean RWS risers shouldn't be used on a Javelin? I think not, and that it is just a way to sell more gear. If PDF said standard risers were unsafe on their rigs, I would either not jump PDF rigs, or go against the manufactor and use standard risers as I believe they are much safer. Do you know why PDF says standard risers shouldn't be used on their rigs (serious question, I would like to know)?

That's like saying the a Toyota Tercel vs. a Lexus. They will both do the same job, but when you start looking at the little differences, you will see where the extra money went. If money were no factor, the choice should be obvious. If money is a factor, you should be able to get a used V3 for less than a new wings (once you add options).

I don't want to get suckered into the "what is more efficient" arguement, because at the stage you are at it doesn't matter. Just look at modern tandem canopies; They are bigger, often loaded less than you are, and may have thick dacron lines, not to mention the huge drogue and bag, and they can swoop nicely on no wind days, with no front riser input. I think that big of a wing, flown properly at your loading, will be fine with no additional drag-reducing methods. Note, I think with your profile, you are likely to get hurt under this wing. Also note, RDS is not without drawbacks, the first of which is sacrificing opening reliability.

Surely that only gets you out of drinking said beer not buying it!! Beer is not a requirement. I know a few people that don't drink that choose to bring soda instead. It's not about the beer - it's about the celebration of an accomplishment. Which brings up rule #8:Participation is voluntary. If a skydiver chooses not to participate by buying, neither shall the skydiver enjoy the fruits of the accomplishments of others.

I fixed it for you. I would avoid packers who drag your rig, and if you choose to drag a rig, I would strongly suggest using a packing mat.

It only works until it stops working. And then the doctors get to work

A rep from the manufactor already said it won't fit, but are you going to try anyway? My money is on it working.

I'm not Rob, but I can answer this with absolute certainty. It is legal, and if you look on the SSK website, you can find the answer. It isn't very common, though, and I think I've only seen it done twice. The second cutter doesn't know it doesn't have a closing loop through it, so there is no reason not to do it.

Stepping away from the "Can your ADD kill you" argument... It sounds like Airtec is not switching all units to the lower activation speed, so if you don't want it, don't buy it. It's an alternative for some people who might otherwise go without an AAD for safety reasons. Student and Tandem models are for special markets. So is the Speed model. On a tandem jump, I'd want a Tandem Cypres. In my current rig, I'd want an Expert Cypres. I agree with you. The problem I see is:"If I flew a canopy that went really really fast, I'd want a Speed Cypres." I'd guess worldwide there are less than 100 people who fit this profile(true multiple rotation landings). Unfortunately, there are going to be many misinformed skydivers buying a speed cypres, and have less protection than if they had a regular cypres. It has been proven over many years that you can safely do a 270 under a cross-braced canopy with a cypres. Lately the trend I've seen is to leave the cypres off because of Adrian's incident. Why? Did 270's suddenly become less safe? Or are skydivers not educating themselves on the true risks?

And if they die from nothing out, why did they spend the money on an AAD?

If your profile is correct, and you currently have an airlocked 150 in an I4, I think a good packer could make it fit. It might not be pretty, or easy, and it shouldn't be tried with a new 170, but I'd take the challenge. Of course, I would borrow the 170 to test, so it wouldn't cost anything but time.

It wasn't a problem with the "old" cypres/cypres2, but it will be now. Granted, it doesn't happen a lot, but it would suck to fix a problem that doesn't exist for the majority (AAD firing under canopy for those that do multiple rotation landings), and die because of higher activation speed of the new unit. The regular cypres is pretty damn reliable. If you pull low, it may fire. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone firing a cypres after a 270 for landing. If you are that concerned about an AAD for high-performance landings, but want an AAD, buy an Astra.

Great. I wonder if one of the disclaimers will be not for use on tracking jumps. I know at least one person has died back-tracking into the ground, and many people track at speeds slower than 96mph.

If you have seen problems with reverse risers, why have you not replaced your risers with conventional risers?

I'd rather eat a vegetarian than a steak. Vegitarian girls are usually cute

You'd better ask the pilot and plane owner before doing that. Some don't like people doing that because it can (often) damage the leading edge.

And riggers are not packers. I know many riggers whose main pack jobs I wouldn't trust. To become a (FAA) rigger you need 20 reserve pack jobs, plus some other things, but packing a main is not a requirement. Many packers have tens of thousands of main pack jobs. Good for you. There are many coaches and instructors who can barely pack a main. My policy is I can learn from anyone, but I am leary to take advice from newer people. Beware, because the newer people tend to be the ones dispensing advice most freely, and some of that advice can be dangerous. Riggers aren't certified as teachers either. That being said, a rigger should be able to teach someone how to pack a reserve, packers should be able to teach someone how to pack a main, and an AFFI should be able to teach someone how to successfully use those parachutes.

Gee, if only there was a suggestion and feedback forum