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I too have seen SpeedBags work properly and quickly as is mentioned in the post above. The point that I have been trying to make is that although they will work (and well) nearly all the time there is a potential for a bag lock that needs to be addressed by Jump Shack instead of them doing what Performance Variables did which was waiting for a fatality. Other than the friends and family of the person this will happen to (its a numbers game unfortunately, in all likelihood it will happen) I hope the rigger that it happens to is able to show that he did in fact pack correctly and is able to explain to people how it was that one of his packs baglocked and someone died. I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

I did a very similar test with three different 2K3's that came in for repacks and got the same BagLock when I pulled out the bag from the container. This was in normal circumstances with no setting up of the test other than taking it out of the container. ie a fairly good example of what would happen in reality. This is not a Bash Jump Shack thread. Not from myself in particular anyhow, I like their products in the most part and have owned Racers. I was dissapointed that when a potential problem has arisen that they are not addressing it. They simlpy say that they couldn't make it happen. Sadly it took a fatality with the Omega from Performance Variables to acknowledge and issue that was found with system. They outright stated that it couldn't happen. Much like Jump Shack are doing now. I hope that no family, wife, son, daughter, brother, father will have to bear the pain that the family of Bertrand Marty had to bear because the Manufacturer stated "It could not happen" I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Just to clarify, I don't think that bands are a bad idea. They give a staged deployment and they break when necessary. If you look at the Service Bulletin 1-01-01 when Jump Shack originally decided that bands were better they used two bands to close the bag and set the rest of the stow bands down the centre of the bag, as is common on mains these days. This gave the desired effect that they were looking for without the dangers of the baglock inherent in their new two-flap bags. Other than to be different form the rest (why??) what benefits are there to be had from two-flaps on the bag over the method shown in the Service Bulletin? Anyone help educate me on that? nb: IMHO Aeordyne have got it right with the new Icon freebag. I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

I can see why you refused to give those packing lessons... I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Methinks Hollywood has come and reality has CUTAWAY I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

sorry you missed the humour. Was fun. If its good enough for a reserve it must be more than good enough for a main, right? Smiles Koppel I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Sorry Sparky but your bag's no good..... ......its got Velcro Now if you made it with Tuck Flaps....well that would keep all those people out there in No-Velcro Land happy (and it would be free-fly friendly?!? ) Koppel I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Just a thought, there was a service bulletin put out by JumpShack in Jan 2001 that "Strongly Recommended" the removing of the freestow pouch and the attaching of Type 3 Ribbon Weave according to their instructions for the use of Mil Spec bands for line stows. This makes sense if you are concerned about 'Line Dump' for high speed flyers like Freefliers. There is no potential for a bag lock (more than any bag has with the locking stows ) and gives an orderly staged deployment with good acceleration of the bag. This Works. Many manufacturers use these on their main d-bags as well, including....wait for it........Jump Shack. Why was it nesseccary for the second flap to be introduced? I would appreciate being educated on this point as I find nothing else wrong with Racer's and have many clients who choose to jump them. I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Can't help you with the reline issue other than to say take it to your local rigger. With the attachment point, personally I use a soft link on all my gear and recommend it to all my clients as well. Again, show it to your rigger to make sure that you are attaching it properly. Stay Safe Koppel I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Maybe where you are I did get a bottle of one of my clients at Christmas and another of someone else for my birthday but not one yet for a Save I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

I had some trouble with getting a response from them and it turned out to be something to do with my ISP, when I gave them my yahoo address I had no problems getting mail from them again. try calling them, Skype is cheap if your worried about cost good luck I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Nancy, I agree that bands are indeed more suitable for reserves than the pouch/freestow pocket. My concern is that I have seen at least three rigs come to me for a repack where the speedbag had to be peeled open after no amount of pulling on the rig and the bridle of the speedbag would allow it to open. IMHO it was where the knot of the band had pulled through that was locking this. As I have stated in another thread previously one of the first Speedbag's I got in for a repack was what brought this to my attention as it was impossible to clear the canopy from the bag without peeling back the top flap as it was locked by the bands. I did a number of packs and pulls on that rig before I was happy that with careful monitoring of the bands NOT being allowed to be pulled through that it would work as intended before I signed the rig out to its owner for use. I personally know of at least one rigger who has taken their speedbag out of their Racers and reverted to the old style of bag. Why? Because whether there is or is not a Genuine Issue there is certainly a Perceived Issue. I for one continue to pack Speedbags paying particular attention to the stows and ensuring that they do not get pulled through the hole and have since had no issues with them at all. Not being a designer of rigs with Jump Shacks combined experience I could not suggest what would be the best solution. One thought that I had was to turn the attachment point for the stowband through ninety degrees. This elimante the potential for a stowband locking almost to nil. This is due to the shape of the knot created by the band on the stow point, by turning it through ninety degrees and ensureing the correct direction is followed when feeding the band through itself there is no edge for the hole to catch on. I will try and get a couple of pictures up tonight to clarify. I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

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IMO the Speedbag has a high potential for Baglock When the bands are pulled through the top flap if the knot comes through it has a high chance of creating a locking effect. I have repacked at least three of these where two people pulling on the rig (one on the container, one on the bridle) were not enough to release the canopy from the Speedbag!! When I brought this to the attention of Jump Shack they just replied that they had not been able to duplicate this effect during their testing. One speedbag that was brought to me for a repack after a cut-away from a step through had only only on one side. The other side was LOCKED shut from the bands. He was lucky that the canopy extracted itself through a bag mouth that was only half open. previous thread here I agree with leapdog about the Icon. I got to do one recently and think that they really do have a great solution. I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Not meaning to be rude towards velo90 - (good for you that you are asking) But, Does anyone else find it strange that people can get to be jumping a VX, a Velo a Xaos etc without such basic knowledge of their own equipment. [rant,rave] People, spend the time to learn about your gear. It's not just about how cool you look in the air or how far you can swoop, Survival is Information. [/rant,rave] I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Just had an email from William While I never got the reply it's good it's good to see they are keeping a close eye on whats being talked about I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Has anyone out there had more luck than me in gettin a reply from them. I have sent them 3 emails now regarding orders and payment with no response. At this rate I can't purchase when I want and will consider spending the money elsewhere. This can't be good for their business. I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

I have found that wearing gloves (gardening or riding leather style are best) really helps with the reduction of pain Much easier to do a good job of pulling the softened coating up over the tip if you don't have to keep pulling your fingers away due to molten bits sticking to your fingers. I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Not sure of slider size, will measure it and get back to you on Monday. The lines are colour coded so yeah if you could measure them that would be great. Thanks for help I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Thanks to all who took part in the poll. I started to get worried when I noticed a trend at my last DZ of people to start on an average of 1 : 1.2 Having seen a few start at around 1 : 1.4 I felt that I should look into the averages around. I realise there are suggested starting points by people that have plenty of experience and I find it curious that so many (1 in 6 approx) start FAR OUTSIDE any recognised sensible starting point. Next time you see a newbie out there on something that resembles a death trap, take the time to speak to them, try to help them understand the dangers that they face. Too often people get caught up in their own sphere and forget that experience can be shared (it was for them when they started). I know of a couple of people that are way outside a sensible WL for a first canopy who wont listen as their Chief Instructor has okayed them for that particular canopy. Hopefully if enough people tell them they are crazy to be on something so small for a first canopy they will get the message and think about a different canopy or at least plenty of canopy training jumps. Thanks again to all who voted Koppel I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Does anyone have any info on line specs etc for a Delta 2? I have one that has had the original line set carefully removed and replaced with a different set with a slider. I want to revert it to original. Help?? Thanks Koppel I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Thanks Yeah, they were the first I found in Poynters. Any others?? I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

I am posting this for a computer illiterate Rigger friend. He is looking to purchase rolls of ZP and have them shipped to Australia. Wondering which suppliers you good folk out there would recommend. Thanks Koppel I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.

Is this an Oxy-Moron?? Seriously now we have the problem of defining this term for our New Jumper. I mean I know who I use and trust, but I also remember the first so called 'Reputable Dealer' that I dealt with. That realllly was an exspensive ordeal I think I agree with the concept of speak to many people doing your research, use the net, talk to dealers/instructors etc ......and let them all know about your affiliation to the local Mafia I like my canopy... ...it lets me down.