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[ It didn't go over my head. Your comparison doesn't make since. An individual death in a sport like parachuting does not compare to soldiers fighting in a large scale war. No body is shooting at me when I jump. I check my own gear. Now if someone rigged my parachute to fail then I might see a small comparison but yours was more general. thats it....exactly my point. it doesn't make any sense to invade another country for skydiver deaths. just like it does't make any sense to attack iraq for the 911. get it? huh? as in ,,,,,hence forth: if we attack irag for 911, who do we attack for the tsunami, who do we invade for the hunting thing in wisconsin, who do we invade for oklhoma city bombing. you got it....it doesn't make sense. thanks. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

interesting point, spiritualy that is blashphamey. to say we're over there doing the lords work that is. since the new testament, jesus was all about turning the other cheeck and forgiving and praying for enemies. to try to twist the lords will to fit a political agenda is a sin. ironic that bush and the so called christians are always twisting the scripture . you either serve the lords will or your own. so are you or anyone else with this arguement gonna tell me that if jesus himself was here that he would be doing the same thing as far as bombing civilians to set people free? the other thing about the good things we're doing is this. picture our revolution here in america. we kind of had to work that out ourselves. when we head had enough , we did something about it. how would you feel if we had another country bombing us and occupying us to fix the 2000 election debacle or some other concern that is ours and only ours. it's just being nosey to stick your nose in someone elses bussiness un-invited. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

will i think thats cool if you believe we went in there like heros to save the poor iraqis. but bro , what about history. we put saddam there, how hipocritical to say we're saving the iraqis by taking him out. but are you telling me we're not gonna stop until every dictatorship in the world is overturned. the whole point i was making about skydivers being killed may have passed over your head so let be back pedal for a sec. on a previous post a guy was saying somehow we should be in iraq because of 911. my point was that makes as much sense as invading spain or someone for skydiver deaths. the point being that iraq had nothing to do with 911 and no other country had anything to do with skydivers dying. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

kennedy....real cool post, thanks. who is he. unfortunately a dieing breed unless we get together. the only party i ever joined is libertarian and think this guy is one in spirit anyway. jcb....i understand your hesitancey to embrace some of these ideals. but to me , if government got out of trying to help every one out. it would leave the door open for people to be more active in helping their fellow brother out. it's not mean spirited to not have the government save everyone. it's just that the government doesn't have a good track record of doing it. i've always felt that if we could get back to the true constitution and bill of rights, and we the people took more responsibility for our own country, that we would in one generation fix all the problems we face . probrobly faster than that, two terms of presidency would do it. but i don't know how long it would take to weed out all the corupt democrats and republicans. cinton and bush both sucked/suck as far as constitutional and civil liberties go. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

>But as for evidence...Lets see, he had WMD's (can't deny that) and he stated he hated America and wanted us to suffer (Can't deny that either)... So lets see, we have a guy that hates us, had WMD's and even tried to kill a President.. Yeah, I'd say he was a threat. >I ask for proof of your claims that Bush lied, and you can't provide any...cool thing about America is you have to PROVE a person is quilty...Somehting you have not been able to do. _________________________________________________ so if i have a gun, and i say i hate you, what crime am i guilty of? _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

i meant for any one of those saddam reasons to be a choice, not all together.....sorry, should have been clearer. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

tell me that's not true. do solders have to pay for their meals in mess halls? _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

. >What do you suggest? Sounds to me your logical answer would be: Withdraw all US troops and let SH out of prison. After all most of you doves are saying we should not have gone in. If not what do you suggest? ___________________________________________ get the troops out imediatley yes, saddam can be trird in the world court and bush might make an appearance there himself just to explain himse >Is this war that bad? Looks like we're doing great compared to other wars. 1000 killed in 2 years was 2 month in other conflicts. __________________________________________________ wow, it seems pretty bad to me, no doubt that 1300 lisn't that much comparatively. but what about the finacial cost for us long term. and this thing isn't showing any signs of slowing down. they keep on saying that there are a few tens of thousand insurgents. well they must be some super fucking men if they can cause all this mess. i think theres a hell of alot more than that and that they are imbedded in the american selected iraqi government and troops as well. >Far less then those killed in 9/11 and they were not expecting to fight for their lives. _______________________________________________ damn bro, who should we invade for the skydivers who dies last year? >I love this country. I love the brave men & women that have fought and still fight to spread freedom across this planet. Seems to me we should be doing more. _______________________________________________ big balls and no smarts just gets you killed though. i love this country just like you and the people going to fight because they are brothers. but fight to spread fredom? how do you do that? you bomb innocent familys , call it collateral damage, and then hocus pocus......your free? we got saddam and they are all thankful for it. now get the fuck out. its alright if i fight with my brother, but if you fight with him i wanna kill you....get it , we aren't making no friends or spreding freedom or democracy or whatever. like bush said ...."mission accomplished" so let's get the fuck out.......unlass it wasn't about freedom and wmd and saddam after all.....hmmmmmm. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

i agree with you.... my thing is why doesn't bush just be honest about it. but even that seems short term . i don't know if the math works out. will the money spent on the war be recouped by the oil sales . or will the tax payers be footing the bill for the oil companies to make all the profits. i think the second will be true which makes this a true crime, probrobly the biggest theft of all time since bush is in the oil bussiness and stands to profit directly or indirectly from it. it seems that the billion a week spent on the war though, would be better spent for research and development on new energy technology sources. instead, the other countrys who are cut out of the oil will spend money on these technologies and be farther ahead when the oil does run out. i think bush is really doing a diservice to our long term positioning. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

free market society...... supply and demand. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

did you see the looks on some of those poor solders faces man.....kind of tore me up...... we'r e all gonna die one day so god bless them . _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

well, in a free market society like we have. the courts are a very big check and balance for corporations. now i am an entrapanuer ( hope thats spelled right , but i am one regaurdless) so i'm all abot the rights of bussiness. but the courts are the voice for the small people against the large corporation and the lawyer is the small mans voice. it's not a perfect system, it's not pretty, and i don'e like lawyers much. but you kind of have to use the lawyers greed to check the corporations greed. there are many lawsuits that do justice to people wronged. like that movie with julia roberts about the lawyer...being brokivich or something like that. the only way i can see to limit the frivolous lawsuits is to improve peoples knowledge of being good jurors, and trying to keeping track of judges records and making judges all have to be elected or somehow more accountable for there actions. and maybe making lawyers liable for filing a frivolous law suit. bottom line though , is that corporations and doctors have the responsibility to act responsibly and the civil courts and lawsuits keep them in check when they don't. and mc donalds has made billions of dollars off of all of use so why shouldn't they make healthier non fattening food. people should be able to asume they have tested the food and that it's healthy or at least not harmful. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

and believe it or not the koran actually accepts other religions as legitamit but not as ........uh ... pure or .......refined or something like that. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

the whole religion thing is a sham. for bush and clinton and all the polliticians who talk about god and then do things that god or jesus is the biggest of all sins, blasphomy. the religions are wool over the eyes, jews christians , muslims or whatever. these are false prophits. the truth, witch is god and his son, sre the path less traveled by most men. when the romans , who were pagans, couldn't kill all the true believers of god because their faith was no match for the romans might. they rewrote the bible and decided the way to beat them was to join them and tear away their faith from with in. so religion is like coke, a brand name. all religions love to feel prosecuted and abused, it unifies them, but it's not about that .....seek the truth ..... peace. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

the geneva convention is rediculous, i mean how can you have rules for war? you can have rules for a sporting event or boxing match, .....or even a duel. but by the time two parties get to war, that is by the time two leaders are ready too send other peoples kids to die instead of working out their thing. if they aren't ready to negotiate a way to work it out with out war, then how are they gonna agree on rules for war. it's a cute thought but come on once i'm in war i'm gonna do whatever it takes to win or not go there. not going there being the far more intelegent choice. every side breaks the geneva convention in war . the thing is not to lose ones morality. and that is the stupidity of war. i think as a species , world and country, we should be evolved past that. if we focus on economic development ( as well as spiritual, but i'm trying to stick to logic not faith here) , the biggest punishment we can do to someone is to not trade with them and isolate them. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

i cn't do that quote and answer thing you do ....but. the fact that other countries prison systems abuse prisoners doesn't mean we should be doing it since they do. we're americans and should worry about americans. how do you know these people are terorists in the jails. because some one else said so. if they are terorists they shold be tried and convicted in a court of law, if not then let go. and i can't help it ...i'm not perfect, i admit it already ahaahahahaha god be patient with me pleeeeeease . when i see a rediculous post i post one back to put it in perspective..... but still tell me what the fuck does black and latinos raping white guys in us prisons have to do with the us abusing prisoners of war. you've gotta admit it's a strech bro. good try but it's just a bit to much of a stretch. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

there are of course no rules for war and the smartest way to fight a war is to do whatever it takes to win. including lieing to win the public relations war, so your right about that. what is not to smart is unprovoked war. it's just like the bully at school, eventually someone comes along and beats him down and everyone is happy that they did. we are not fighting the good fight because there is no reason to fight. we are making the enemy fight us by our actions. if i got locked up and torchered your damn right i would go out and join whoever was fighting who did that to me. our intellegence is obviosly not good enough to decide who is deserving of tourcher type treatment. and you being in the military mr. fish, are the recipient of the anger stirred up by the prisoner abuse you support. ain't that a bitch. when the guards and solders of our country abuse people it makes them look like pussies and embarrasses our country. you gotta keep your honor, we disrespect ourself when we abuse these people. as far as your comparing abuse in other prisons to the army abuse in prisons. the abuse in prisons here and in mexico is caused by the inmates to other inmates, kind of a survival of the fittest if you will. the abuse in the military prisons is done by the jailers and is shows no balls at all, it's just embarrassing. real low class shit. and why are you so woried about blacks and latinos raping white guys in prison....thats out of left field bro. did something happen to you? let it out man, we're here to help. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

funny bush would talk about entripinuarship( or however it's spelled).by the time his war is over he ought to have made it a whole lot harder for small bussinesses. it's not just bush.....congressional and senatorial policy since the 1920 's has done nothing but raise taxes and make it harder for someone to start and run a small bussiness. america being a capitolist society is what gives us our freedom. we were suposed to be free of socialist type taxes without represntation. what makes our country great is our diversity( we have the whole world at our fingertips because we have citizens from alloever) and that anyone can change economic class if they want. that is the freedom people talk about, but the politicians , clinton then and bush now are eroding this one peace at a time. love your country by taking control of it and being smart and independant. lets fix the education system here so people 's best economic choice isn't to fight a war for big bussiness and family grudges. keep america strong by staying home and making it better. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

well alright , maybe i'm not doing your requirement of the bear minimum. but taxes weren't even mandatory until 1920 or something like that.i'm not into paying them except for kicking and screaming, but i don't take anything from the government either. and i did set a guy free in jury duty ( only not guilty vote, inocent until prooooven guilty) . i'm happy for you military guys. i really am if that makes you guys happy. and i definatley don't look down on you , but i certainly don't feel threatened enough to need to fight no war. drunk drivers, criminals here, tabaco, and polution are alot more threatening to me than a few thousand guys with ak 47s on the back of a camel. but if you feel threatened ...go do what you gotta do man. to me the work is right here at home, i give people economic freedom, stimulate the economy, make sure people in my neighborhood don't go hungry, i help a motorcycle run that supports babies born with aids, i join people together through music, and am a teacher of sorts as well. and like a true patriot of this country i stand ready to put the government in check and remind them that they are really just a small part of we the people. do i sit here and criticize the politicians.....yes because they don't have our best interest in mind. how much money do we have to sacrifice from retirement benifits and hard earned money they want to tax from us to make their freinds building weapons and drilling oil money. the math doesn't even add up. i billion a week to fight the war, are they even making that much in oil revenues for it to make financial sense? to the guys feeling that your serving our country in iraq... how? whats the threat? is it just blind faith to a selected leader? or what. my fear for you guys is that you go there getting caught up in the gung ho feeling and distortions of truth and come back in a bag or really fucked up physically or emotionally. and then the guy you followed to war does not take care of you. and ost of you guys are too young to realize how they're pulling your strings. but god bless you guys and i really wish they would bring you all back here tommorow instead of 10,000 dead americans and 100000 dead iraqis later. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

i don't think santa should be allowed to fly now, we ust can't risk it as a country....things just aren't the same since 911. besides i'm a muslim/ jew and am offended by anything to do with christmas. and further more what does advertising a fat guy do to help fight obeesity.... and if that missle defense system really is worth all the billions of dollars they spent on it ,then how the fuck did a fat bastard, 8 reindeers, and a sliegh get through our airspace? _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

well, we started out with the constitution and bill of rights..... and thats all we needed. but politicians make laws, thats what they do more and more all the time , and each one erodes our civil liberties. republicans ued to kind of be constitutionalists, but now they're as bad if not worse than the dems. lets burn it down and start again.....remember that whole"land of the free" thing? what happened. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

have any of you guys having this serious debate actually read the onion? look it up on the internet. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

there are phyicists who are saying they are finding scietific evidence of god besides this guy. buckminister fuller described it loosely as the thing inbetween matter turning into anti matter a few million times. kind of like a pre string theory explaination of string theory in a way. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

the dems are definately out of touch with the regular guy. they are mainly a bunch of well to do people with good hearts. they really do mean basically well. and their policies are a bit better for the average joe than are the republicans. but the dems can't talk our language and try not to offend anyone, and end up boring everyone. the repuplicans , long ago abandoning real buchanan style conservatism , are a bunch of horse theives and gangsters. but they get the everyday joe all fired up . simple easy to understand frazes and great sound bites. and they flat out deal up the tax payers dollars. instead of a million bucks for a virginmary made of cow shit , they give themselves a bilion bucks to serve packaged food to the military in iraq. so pick your poisen and serve your master well. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance

storm thats cool you can find your own voice, congrats. it 's not really about democrats and republicans ....they both suck. it's about us deciding what we want and holding them accountable while we still can. _________________________________________ people see me as a challenge to their balance