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years ago there was at least 1 at Ortner Field near Wakeman Ohio. I dont even know if the field is still active since Dean Ortner crashed at an air show. Man, he sure was a good pilot....and crashing to his death....it wasnt an accident....

many of you missed the point. The police were chasing the guy in a car because he was drunk and weaving all over the road. If he was drunk enough, they should have taken him without machine gun fire. Even IF he had a gun, he seemed to drunk to know which end to point.

I was a cop, and I watched the video of the guy with the cellphone. He never pointed it at the police, and if you watch the officer on the left, he just opened up into the guys back like he had a machine gun. Those two officers should be fired from the force. They are a disgrace to the police. I think the second cop was a woman. Both officers obviously are unable to keep their cool in a situation, and feel they can kill at any whim. really awful. Bill Cole D41

I would like to point out one other thing. The thing that most interested me in doing the jump was the reaction of other people, like old school friends who I hadnt seen in years, like any of my 8 brothers and 4 sisters, like poeple I worked with on the Police Force, and so on. I experienced a wide range of reactions...all of them interesting. LOL

Hi Murrays: You and the following posts have it correctly. I would point out here though, that Rod Pack did it 1st on Jan 1965, I did it Aug 20 1969, and July 20 1972, and Jim Tyler did two in (I think 83 and 84). After seeing his second one on TV I phoned his regular DZ to congratulate him. I was infotrmed of his death that had taken place about 2 weeks before. Later, a frenchman did a chuteless jump while in Africa, but I dont know his name. I offered Greg Gasson a chance to do one (without his famous wire attachment) and I would do one at the same time. His chute would come from my airplane, and mine would come from his. He quickly hung the phone up mumbling something that I could not understand. I topok that as a NO. The actual jump is nothing more than a glorified baton pass. The psycological part of the jump is something I built up on for a couple of monmths befiore actually doing the jump. Big Deal??? Not really. Anyhow, kindest regards to all. Bill Cole D41

I havent laughed so much in years. Some really great lines Lou. I think the best one is the "beer nuts/deer nuts" Did you steal these from somewhere, or do you think them up on yer own.???

its definitely NOT a personal attack Justin. I am simply quoting what God's WORD says, and if the shoe fits, wear it.You say there is no God, and Psalm 53:1 states that only a fool would say that. I assure you its nothing personal...just what the Bible says, and the Bible is TRUTH.

Since both my mother and father were born in Ireland, I'll stick my two farthings in. I always found it best to hand bracket a still camera, and actually look through the viewfinder to frame your shots. You can fly your head up, by using your elbows , especially if you can add a bit of material to your jumpsuit in that area. Try it a couple of times, you can get used to it real quick, and you will always know exactly where your camera is viewing. Under canopy,you can then hold your camera vertical for a shot of others also under canopy. Good luck, me Irish friend.B.Cole D-41 Canada

I dropped my son when he was 12 yrs old. He did just fine. I know of another guy who dropped his son ay 11 yrs old. You may find that at 12 yrs old, a kid who had been living with a skydiving father knows a lot more than he usually gets credit for. They are allowed to drive things like tractors, handle guns when hunting, drive snowmobiles, motor boats, etc. Search out his learning level, and ask around.

Read the Book of Proverbs in the Bible. Once you do, you'll do away with Harry Potter 's trash.

Sue....With the . .. Deleted due to personal attacks. No personal attacks even if you consider yourself justified.

Judging from your remark, you certainly are a SAD CASE SUE. You will in time, find out He does exist, and you will stand befoere Him and be unable to give an account for ALL you've ever done. What a SAD case. May God open your eyes before its too late to correct you. There are none so blind as those who will not see....SAD, it sure is.

Justin: Did you know that you (yes you Justin) are mentioned in the Bible? It says in Psalms53:1, "The FOOL hath said in his heart there is no God". That reference to the FOOL, is you Justin. The time WILL COME when you and all your kind will dwell in eternity regretting your foolish remarks. The reason you dont want to believe in God is you are selfish, because believing in God means a change in your life, one you are too selfish to make. FOOL!!!

when I was 9 yrs old I used an umbrella and jumped from the veranda railing OUCH, it didnt work to well. From and airplane my first was on a "goose" modification, but I dont remember what its cut was. It was a modified 28ft canopy.

I am very heartened to see this thread on the dropzone site. Occassionally there are blasphemous remarks made, and it reflects on parachutists in general. Its nice to see that there are some believers in this sport.YES, I thanks my wonderful Lord and Saviour for everything, for it ALL comes through His grace. Bless you all.

I am sorry to say, I never met Roger, but from what you all are saying, I sure wish I had. May God grant his family the peace that comes when you see a formation against a sunset....peace of the sky. I can tell.........its a sad day fopr skydiving. Bill Cole

Its amazing when you think that these swoops are longer than the original flight by the Wright brothers in 1903...100 yrs exactly. I doubt Wilbur and Orville would ever have dreamt such a thing could happen.

Is it possible that you might have a forum column on has anybody any idea what happened to:????, such as George Bosworth,Darryl Henry,Roy Johnson,and other names from the past. I can think of sevral other lesserknown jumpers I would like to locate, and would hope someone might know where they are. thanks for any considerations.

think of the money she saved on perfume!!!!~!

3 times that I can recall. One when I leaned forward and accidentally snagged the reserve handle of a guy on my left. I stayed with him to make sure between the two of us his chute didnt go out the door. Once when training the Special Forces of Ecuador, one of their men forgot his helmet and reserve chute, so I gace him mine. I had thought perhaps I'd jump with only the main, bit Iwas supposed to be setting a good example, so I stayed in the aircraft. and a thirds time when we got to 21,500 feet in a B26 Marauder. We didnt have sufficient oxygen so I told everyone to stay on board and ordered the pilot to make a quick descent. Some of the guys wanted to jump once we got to 10,000, but it was my responsibility, so I told them we land with the plane and they all did.

I once knew of a dropzone in Ohio, where they had a farmer close by who hated jumpers and jumping, especially when they landed on his farm. It was referred to as "shotgun alley" because the old man would sometimes fire one just to let them know he hated them. One day a jumper landed on the farm while the old man was riding his tractor doing what farmers are supposed to do. The farmer saw him and drove over ( as thejumper thought) to have a talk with him about the landing on the farmers place. The tractor putted right up the jumper while he was stowing his lines in a daisy chain, and the tractor stopped right on top of his Paracommander canopy. The farmer turned the key off, and put it in his pocket, climbed off the tractor, an walked towards his home...diappearing from the amazed jumper's sight as he stood there in his harness, holding the lines to the trapped PC. Eventually, the jumper left his gear and got back to the DZ and called police. The cops came, and talked to the farmer, but he wasnt interested in giving the guy his PC back. After many hours of on again-off again negotiations and agreemenst that the jumpers would stay off his land, the farmer backed his tractor up, releasing the canopy. The jumpers made sure they didnt land there again. I imagine the old farmer had them worried for awhile though. BILL COLE D41

Thanks for the update Howardwhite: If it wasnt tghe jumpmaster, who dropped the static line jumpers, and wouldnt it likely have been the jumpmaster to be last to leave the aircraft. However, as I said, I had heard about it, I wasnt there, and my memory genes are now 71 yrs old....and it seems some of them are still working reasonably well. Bill Cole D41

this is an unusual story that happened, I believe, near or at Orange Mass, about 25 yrs ago. A Cessna took off with two students and jumpmaster. The JM dropped the first student on static line, and made a second pass for the next student, also on static line. He thought he'd make a separate pass for himself after dispatching the student, but he failed to notice one of the static lines was wrapped around his foot. The line was attached to the rear leg of the pilot's seat, and whern the JM dfove out the door, he went 15 ft and stppoed. The static line was firmly around his foot, and he had no knife, and likely couldnthave reached his foot while swaying back and forth anyhow. The pilot thought the guy was long gone, and began his descent. The JM realized he was going to be dragged along the runway, and his only chance was to open his chute, and possibly lose his leg as it pulled out of the socket. Nevertheless, thatwas better than being killed in a long drag. He pulled the ripcord, and the chute opened, but pulled the seat right out of the aircraft, and from under the pilot, who found himself flying while sitting on the floor. The pilot managed to land the plane, but the jumpmaster drifted down to the DZ with the pilot's seat hanging 15 feet below him. The seat hit the ground, and the JM landed on it and broke his leg. Alls well that ends well. A true story. Bill Cole D41

going back over the years, I've jumped 16mm movie, 35 mm movie, stills of all sizes. I always used the side mount for motion picture film cameras, and on opening, I'd turn my head to have the camera in front iof me, and grab it with my hand, and grit my teeth. Sometimes it was hard on the neck, sometimes not too bad. My first motion pix camera was a 16mm Bolex, and I had a 5 lb ball of lead on the opposite side for a (uneeded) counterbalance. It soon was removed, and almost removed my head. Still cameras I mounted on the front of helmet, but preferred to have a wrist mount and look through the viewer, and select my shots. On opening, grit teeth and tuck my neck in like a turtle for the helmet mount, no problem with the wrist mount. I jumped with an IMAX camera, weight about 100 pounds. It was in a special housing (looked like planet Saturn) and after jumping a mock up first, and then the real camera....it thundered in. $100,000.00 all over the field. It almost hit a cow that was grazing close by. Have fun....but dont forget to grit your teeth..

If CSPA ever finds out people in Canada are jumping batwings....Oh Boy, another excuse for them to go off the deep end...without a chute?