NightJumper

You better hope that I am there since I have all of your stuff! Mike Jump Shack

So now we have gone from a few to a single incident that may or may not have happened out of thousands of rigs that have been built. As previously stated our practice has not changed. We still strongly suggest that the speed bag be used. I never stated that it was “dangerous” so please quit improperly quoting me. In fact what I posted was “I agree that it is a fairly good design that is time proven, but it is not 100% full proof.” As for the rest of your comments they have been clearly addressed in previous post.

There have been two incidents that I know of and maybe more. This was discussed at the last PIA conference. Yes I agree that it is a fairly good design that is time proven, but it is not 100% full proff. So are you saying that we should not try to improve it? It may "hurt" but innovation and progress will happen. That is like saying the skyhook "hurts" because it may be better than a regular RSL. People usually do not like change because the have accepted what they have and are comfortable with it, but that should never interfere with innovation and progress. Heck, I can remember when people fought over having a shoulder harness on their car seats because their "lap belts have always worked fine"

No it is not. That is because when we ask them if they want any factory updates they said yes. Who said no? Because like LouDiamond said, we have both. We strongly suggest the speedbag but no required update has been made. And in fact, most customers want the freebag. And once the riggers attend one of our rigging seminars here at the factory or at any of the boogies that we attend, there is usually no further issues. I would recommend that when you become a rigger that you attend the training. There has been no policy change. We still support both types but strongly recommend the speedbag. Ray, there is a difference between safe and safer or unsafe and safe. The above is only your perception and not the representation of the company. Please do not mislead people. Mike Forsythe Jump Shack

Yes Mike

It is no longer in production. Yes

No, it actually prevents them. Just look at any pilot emergency rig and see what the history is on how many locks there have been on the diapers. The fact remains, thousands of deployments and zero failures. Let them tell about their products, but they have been advertising. Well since it is used for a main bag also as was in my post I certainly hope so. The main bag speedbag is the same deployment system as the reserve.

Shock cord on locking stows have caused baglocks on reserve freebags. The speed bag main bag and freebag use rubber bands to prevent bag lock. Rubber bands will break under force where shock cord will not. Every stow is a locking stow to prevent bag strip and line dump in high-speed deployments. This system has had a zero failure rate in thousands of jumps. In addition, another manufacture has adopted its own version of a speed bag freebag and another is being tested.

The constitution is subservient to the people because the people created and can change the constitution (democracy). And if you think that it cannot be changed then you might want to look at the 27 amendments that have changed it.

I am talking about now. Or to be more accurate, take 90% of the current population that wants to keep it that way.

According to you. The will of the people and our history is meaningless? I think not. How can you possibly say that the will and desires of over 200 million Americans means nothing? Do you really think that you get to decide what is relevant to this debate? No, you only get to decide if you agree with it or not. The simple solution is wait and see how the court rules.

Since we are playing word games I will try and make my intent and view clear. I agree that in this case that because we have chosen to do it this way that it right.

No that was Nightingale. I said it does not make it wrong either.

I agree and if you look again (see bold above) that is what I said. And by the way, remember that the contitution has and can be changed!

You are correct. My implication was that god was important and valid to our forefathers as referenced in the declaration of independence. That is why I listed the action of it in the pledge separately. So that makes everything else they have and will do wrong? NOT

Like I said, according to who??????????? Another nice red herring, but again, we are not talking about the Jim Crow laws either. News flash.......Popular support IS how this country is run. The most votes win. And right or wrong have nothing to do with it. And in the end it won't matter what is right or wrong according to you but rather if it is legal.

We have a winner.....moodyskydiver She has sovled the great debate!!!!!!!!

CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS and about every other news agency that has been running polls. So that I don't quote them wrong, what they said was "nine out of ten people". I was the one who put it into mathmatical form

So you don't think that there is a "valid" reason to keep it? How about choice and the will of the people. Our founding fathers thought it was valid. Our leaders that we elected to represent us and who added it to the pledge thought it was valid. And 90% of the present population thinks it is valid. But I guess they are all just "downright silly"

But we are not talking about slavery. And by the way, if your were a slave you did not have a choice to participate or not!

Nor does it make it wrong!

According to who???????????????????

The generic use of the word GOD has and always will be a part of our country. It was our founding fathers acknowledgement and intent as indicated in the Declaration of Independence. Even the Supreme Court of the United States that is hearing the case starts every session by stating "God save the United States and this honorable Court".

That would have been that third switch on the left side of the steering wheel!

Sorry Katie, the one of Chuck and Yari doesn't do anything for me