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I don't think he is manufacturer bashing as he is just not as trusting of the small portable gPS units. I agree! A few years ago I was hiking in steep mountain terrain with a lensatic compass and topo map. Three other hikers were using hand size gPS units. They were off hundreds of feet laterally and about a thousand feet vertically from one another........ and we were just standing still on a hill top not moving along a glide path that a wingsuit would.
You can get GPS units certified to be accurate enough to land an airliner but they are the size of a couple of stacked telephone books mounted in an airliner instrument panel. They are the price of several wingsuits.
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Quotepull at a designated altitude.
Fuck that. For a real test, let them fly until their AAD fires. Farthest wins.
Be safe
Ed
What if you accidentally land it ? What do you win then? In this case my money is on Avery!
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QuoteIt has just become painfully obvious that Z-hills can no longer be considered the area -51 of wingsuit flight testing. And it also completely explains the perception you guys bring, which is not wrong as some of us have concluded prior, but is more accurately shall we say.....limited.
You realize this is no longer a brand war but more of an east coast Vs west coast thing. Jeffro will fill you in on the details of getting comprehensively smoked, out performed, laid to waste.
Europe and the middle east you can be part of this too, convincing the east coast what fat bastards they are will not be easy.
More trash-talking Glen? No-one mentioned that the challenge would involve GPS's and no-one said you can't put your $20 down and get on the load. See you there!
Are you referring to my response to your response of dloi's response about our lack of faith in the small sportsmans gps for accurate Data? Or my response to Smonkeys post about Jeffe being the best @Z-hills and how in a much bigger international pond he may not be the best?
For clarification is any of that trash talking? I'm not claiming, personally, to be the best but would love to be there and fully intended to .... That is until Chuck called me a couch potato.
I don't think he loves me anymore. By all rights I should just send in the $20. More beer for the worthy Phoenix pilots to enjoy.
voodew1 0
QuoteYou realize this is no longer a brand war but more of an east coast Vs west coast thing.
Ya'll just fly from east to west always afraid to stop at the third coast. We just sit here queitly waiting for Skyflock '07............
The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid
Crazy people... Go flock or something!
2007. The Performance Year. The end of slo-mo in wingsuiting. Let's stop barely moving forward. YOU can make a difference!
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QuoteEverybody is talking about performance, glide ratio, lift and drag, polar curves, the best and fastest suits, writing equations and pouring GPS data...
Don't forget what represents a complete wingsuit formation and how to hold a true wingsuit performance competition.
TALONSKY 0
I love that we now have so many different brands. Hell, I remember being one of only a few at my DZ with a wingsuit and the DZO juking about if I am still alive in 50 jumps he may try it. I do not understand all of the contempt for other companies breaking into this very small market. Hell, love it and when I can find the money I will buy a Mach 1 just to see for myself.
In the end in my humble opinion, it is does not matter weather the suit is a Birdman, Pheonix fly, a Tonysuit or any brand name, it really comes down to how the pilot flies it. I have been totally blown away by the talent I have seen flying all brands and makes.
I love wingsuits and can not wait till the next level the manufacturers come up with.
Kirk
Bowie 0
Its as easy as that
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QuoteIt won't stop the bitching, though...
haha this thread cracks me up
The forum had been a bit quiet in recent months but this thread has suddently made everyone wake up!!
If there is no clear winner we can settle it with a "Texan Bare Knuckle Debate"
mccordia 73
We could all stand outside, and the first one to take off in his wingsuit is clearly flying the suit with the most lift..(see attached photo, taken yesterday)
120 km/h winds all day with gusts up to 140...sweeet!
FlyLikeBrick
I'm an Athlete?
QuoteQuoteYou realize this is no longer a brand war but more of an east coast Vs west coast thing.
Ya'll just fly from east to west always afraid to stop at the third coast. We just sit here queitly waiting for Skyflock '07............
And, BAM!, just like that the word is out. SkyFest is now SkyFLOCK. If I can drive my sorry ass two days from Florida, all you SoCal fruit boys can sure as hell make the trip to the Texas Republic for the first "real" mid-USA wingsuit event. Yes, I am serious.
I had actually thought Jason or Ted would have said "the word" before now!
Chuck
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QuoteIn a Mach 1 I can put 1000 feet of vertical separation between myself and other pilots(of other wingsuits) in seconds as unbelievable as that sounds.
It takes 15..20sec to loose 1000' in a maxed out suit. It would take a full minute to gain that much altitude over other suits if your vertical speed was only two-thirds of others (a huge stretch already).
Would it be possible to make a maxed out jump with Neptune and post 12-9-6-3k averages to substantiate this claim? I do realize it won't have much to do with L/D, but still... please?
bsbd!
Yuri.
mccordia 73
but from being under canopy, and watching someone pull a 100 feet lower then me, it always looks like way way lower....eyes can tell you different things someone...
Sure its actual 1000 ft of difference...or just thinking it looks like 1000 ft?
FlyLikeBrick
I'm an Athlete?
QuoteIf your protrack says below 2500 ft you are disqualified Its as easy as that
Why? Our governing body sez I can pull at 2000.
Chuck
Well If Ed stops by in his 172 to get us we'll go. We have to go air as the state troopers won't let us in with Cali plates.
First couch taters, now fruit boys? you're rackin up up all kinds of PA points, aren't cha?
QuoteQuoteIf your protrack says below 2500 ft you are disqualified Its as easy as that
Why? Our governing body sez I can pull at 2000.
Because the race ends at 3500 (or is that 2500?) feet. You open at the designated hard deck and see who got the furthest.
And that is the problem with using altitude in determining where the end point is. If I open at 3k instead of 3.5k, I'll be another 500 to 1000 feet further along.
The other problem with using altitude as the end point is that one guy getting a glide ratio of 1:1 will fly 2 miles and open over the swamp. Another guy getting a 2:1 glide ratio will fly 4 miles and open on the other side of the airport. Neither will be back at the DZ any time soon.
I know if I'm past the DZ and over the middle of the airport at 5k, I'm pulling. Turning back into the flight path of some 20 other wingsuiters is not an option. And, I'm sure not going open at the other side of the airport at 3k.
That's why the most reasonable way to do this is to have the jump run be the starting line and the parallel runway be the ending line. The less altitude you loose, the better your glide ratio.
A flying start groups everyone together (and wastes altitude doing that - and assumes everyone will be able to get to the line in time for the start) and so when it comes pull time you now have to scatter. That's something I'd rather be doing above 3k.
Flying starts are great for video in the first 5 seconds, but after that people will be too far apart to get any good footage.
QuoteThis contest should have been held in Holland yesterday..
We could all stand outside, and the first one to take off in his wingsuit is clearly flying the suit with the most lift..(see attached photo, taken yesterday)
120 km/h winds all day with gusts up to 140...sweeet!
If Yuri put some animal balloons in the leading edge of that guy's sleeves, he would probably be able to take off.
So, Jarno, how come with these kind of winds we are not reading about somebody landing a wingsuit in the news today?
Mike
Fuck that. For a real test, let them fly until their AAD fires. Farthest wins.
Be safe
Ed
www.PrecisionSkydiving.com
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