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medusa 0
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I have a problem with select individual BMIs that act in a way that casts the negative light, like in the incedent that created this tread.
What are you talking about??
We don't know if this hole tread is truth, or if it is a fragment of someones imagination!
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Get Killed or Die Trying!
Patent pending ATFK15456
medusa 0
QuoteYeah, this is why I gave up wingsuits and went back to freeflying.
In the freefly world you never get kicked off a load, the coaches are never asshole know-it-alls, and they all treat the young and up commer women jumpers with care and the utmost respect. You'll never see an attractive girl put into dangerous freeflying situations just because some skygod wants a piece of ass.
Come on dude, is this for real??
There is no other discipline with more skygoods than Freeflying.
And I can assure you that in more that one occasion, attractive girls have being put in dangerous situations by some guy that wants some pece of ass eighter in Freeflying, RW, BASE Etc.... But you don’t have to go ahead and generalist and blame the entire discipline because of and isolated event or a single person.
Don’t you think??
Get Killed or Die Trying!
Patent pending ATFK15456
Calvin19 0
Oh dear no!, not my A liscense! What will i do?!
I am not a reckless pilot, i would never put somebody elses life in danger that had not expressed they were willing to go there, even if they asked, i would not bring other people in my plane when i was doing something i consider, well, not normal flying
We don't know if this hole tread is truth, or if it is a fragment of someones imagination!
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I use it as an example, there have been other events. There are some complaints that never even make it to discussion on the wingsuit forum. Are they all fragments of imagination?
There is no other discipline with more skygoods than Freeflying.
I tink he ez hjoking with us meijo
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The111 0
QuoteSo you want me to tell you what a BMI can do that very few others can?
I answered your question directly in post #41. I said "not much". (I never made that claim either, FWIW)
However, the point remains that flying ability does not equal training ability! What can an AFF instructor do that the best RW flyers cannot do? Does this mean any good RW flyer is qualified to take prospective skydivers on their first freefalls?
QuoteQuoteSo you want me to tell you what a BMI can do that very few others can?
What a BMI can do that few others can not is get access to a boogie load of demo suits, like boxes and boxes of em. At least until its time to ship them off to the next BMI down the line for the next boogie. Concentrate on getting them to first time flyers and its a pretty good program.
Load organizing and wingsuit promotion go hand in hand with that for the flockers that have gone beyond the FFC. Too much more than that is just simple "empire building".
I, btw, agree with you on the fact that being a good flyer doesn't make one a good instructor. But for the record I would have to state the fundamentals of methodical instruction isn't a BMI exclusive capability.
QuotePersonally I would be embarrassed to be found argueing over something as silly as whether quality instruction can be found outside a standardized instructor program.
Well if you are going to be in this sport you gotta be tuff ( they tell me ) so you can't get embarrassed easily. This isn't the ballet.
The111 0
QuoteI, btw, agree with you on the fact that being a good flyer doesn't make one a good instructor. But for the record I would have to state the fundamentals of methodical instruction isn't a BMI exclusive capability.
I agree with you on your point too. I'll also admit there are difficulties in having the instructor rating associated with manufacturers, because of obvious reasons (although it is done in other areas, tandem skydiving in specific). The only alternative I can think of is letting the USPA handle it, but I'm not sure if anybody would like that either. I'm small enough and humble enough that at this time I don't want to try to affect change in the wingsuit community at large, so I am just accepting things the way they are. As I stated before, obtaining my BMI rating has nicely augmented the experience of taking people on first flights (which I was able to do without the rating), and as you pointed out it helps me bring wingsuiting to the masses by having access to suits, etc.
I am not sure if the "empire building" you refer to is any worse than it is in other areas of skydiving (as others pointed out), or if it's just more obvious because the wingsuit discipline is so small and new. I also think that "empire building" is like the "politics" we hear so much about. I'm guilty of using the word myself, but somebody once told me that politics only exist for you, if you let them - and I had to agree with him.
EDIT: I should also add that from what I have seen and experienced, the BMI program is effective and well laid-out, and as such I support it (obviously). I think the best way to get into wingsuits is through a BMI, but I would never say that's the only way.
MarkM 0
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Come on dude, is this for real??
Haha. Have some more Patron dude.
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There is no other discipline with more skygoods than Freeflying.
Skygoods? Is that like hot chicks? Maybe I am in the wrong discipline then.
QuoteI'm continually surprised to see how long this thread has survived, apparently people have way too much time on their hands during the off-season.
Actually, most of the birds posting are in the on-season. Even sadder, eh? Excuse me while I slink away ashamed at being such an e-dork. Trust me I wish I could be at the dz today.
sniffle sniffle
QuoteThere is no other discipline with more skygoods than Freeflying.
Come on dude, is this for real??
Mark is most definitely being facetious! ROFLMFAO!!
"I know it's friday night, but come on. Surely there's something better to do than yell at people on the internet?" - Tom A.
They did handle it. They have provided guidelines largely based on input from some experienced and articulate flyers. Lou can fill in the details. Further involvement isn't needed like it is in AFF and tandem instruction. mostly because this isn't AFF or tandem. It isn't BASE or CReW. It isn't competitive RW or freestyle. Its simply wingsuits and it needs to grow .
>> but somebody once told me that politics only exist >>for you, if you let them - and I had to agree with >>him.
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This is 100% true. words to live by, really. Unless you are some unlucky bloke that gets, in a round about way, thru the efforts of an "empire building BMI" god forbid Grounded or gets labeled as an unsafe flocker or a lethal instructor. Get accused of taking up low-time female hottie runnaways on a first flight course while it is perfectly legal for the BMI to make an "aptitudinal exception" to the BM rules on the part of their "low-time, female hottie runnaway" and their desire to ravish her in her tight fitting classic 2, GTI ( or whatever entry level suit BM is promoting nowadays) then those politics become personal Matt.
Man! I just realized I would like to upload an attached picture of a female hottie runnaway tightly clad in her classic or GTI but I don't have any. Can some of you BMI's help me out?
QuoteSomeone please enlighten me, (I'm being serious, I think I don't get it) I'm probably wrong here, because I just don't understand what a flatty relative world has to do with making a good wingsuiter?
A wingsuit flight isn't the time or the place to learn the vary basics of RW(and by RW I mean relative work in all disciplines), things like "dock with no momentum" and all that stuff. The basics need to be learned while flat flying. Of course, some people will say that it can be done while freeflying, but I think trying to learn RW basics in FF is just as bad as trying to do it with wingsuits. Once a jumper has a solid foundation in RW, he or she can add to the mix new things like new body positions(sit, head-down) or a wingsuit. No-one should try to learn to freefly or to fly a wingsuit at the same time they are trying to figure out why "docking on level" is supposed to be a good idea.
Did this clear it up for you?
I must admit, I think people should have proper relative work (in any discipline) skills before they start wingsuits.
Quote"dock with no momentum"
If you don't know how to safely fly relative in at least one discipline by the time you have 200 jumps, you shouldn't start flying a wingsuit!
"I know it's friday night, but come on. Surely there's something better to do than yell at people on the internet?" - Tom A.
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Such political ( selectively anti-social ) BS is what can ground a wingsuiter. I've seen it happen more than once now .
Bringing up distasteful issues in public often seems to bring out the automatic ' you're just the same ' type reactions. This deflects the issue into reactionary woffle.
The dodgy BMi issue remains for some of us.
What to do about it.??
*Dodge the beggars ..don't go on their dives .. they mostly don't work and you'll get the blame for their stuff-ups.
*Don't let them dress you up in wingsuits that don't fit you properly ..it's not safe and you're the one who's paying.
*If you can learn how to fly a wingsuit from a BASE flyer. They fly like their life depends on it and it often does.
This whole thing about BMI wingsuiters assuming positions of power in the wingsuiting world when they don't deserve or haven't earnt them is an issue that could in the long term discredit the whole lot of us.
It's already having its effects. I've heard newish people talking about this very issue and they weren't happy. They said things like wingsuitings cool but the bullies that do it suck.
Thankfully some of us won't just suck other people's shyt without saying it stinks .
Seeing the genuinly well rounded individuals operate makes it obvious when the small brain swell heads get in charge. Ok they're not on your DZ??? Lucky you.
There's no shortage of them out here. Everywhere you turn there's Mr swell head pretending like he invented the sport . It'd be cool if they delivered but they don't know how to look after anyone but themselves.
Political BS .....sure is.
KrisFlyZ 0
QuoteQuoteSomeone please enlighten me, (I'm being serious, I think I don't get it) I'm probably wrong here, because I just don't understand what a flatty relative world has to do with making a good wingsuiter?
A wingsuit flight isn't the time or the place to learn the vary basics of RW(and by RW I mean relative work in all disciplines), things like "dock with no momentum" and all that stuff. The basics need to be learned while flat flying. Of course, some people will say that it can be done while freeflying, but I think trying to learn RW basics in FF is just as bad as trying to do it with wingsuits. Once a jumper has a solid foundation in RW, he or she can add to the mix new things like new body positions(sit, head-down) or a wingsuit. No-one should try to learn to freefly or to fly a wingsuit at the same time they are trying to figure out why "docking on level" is supposed to be a good idea.
Did this clear it up for you?
General skydiving experience helps one fly a wing suit better. Here's a story...
Its August or September 2004, and I have just reached a hundred wingsuit jumps(mostly solos). An experienced jumper(over 5000 jumps) asks me to tell him how to exit, hook up the suit, etc.
I ask to go on the jump with him and later, we are both flying above SDC, agreed break off altitude is 5500' and after signalling break-off this dude just takes off like he changed his mind and wants to fly some more. I am flying my GTI and he is in SDC's demo classic II.
I had moved off to one side to watch his deployment and look at what's happening with a bit of confusion. He is ahead and below me and deploys at 4500 or so and I fly past him as he is snivelling.
I didn't think much of it then but something about that flight that I quite didn't understand and it kept bothering me. Almost a year later I figured it out. Eureka!! This guy was flying at his best glide angle(or close to it) on his first jump and had he done this for a longer period on that jump, I would probably not have been able to catch him. Of course, I only figured this out much much later.
Kris.
In the freefly world you never get kicked off a load, the coaches are never asshole know-it-alls, and they all treat the young and up commer women jumpers with care and the utmost respect. You'll never see an attractive girl put into dangerous freeflying situations just because some skygod wants a piece of ass.
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