Mikki_ZH 0 #1 January 3, 2006 Not my swoop, it's the picture of a mexican friend... I have never seen him land without swooping and I have never seen him land without a pasager and I have never seen him land bad or not 100% in control!Michi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frenchyflyer 0 #2 January 3, 2006 Wow! I'm not a TM so I can't comment (about landing on rears on a tandem canopy), but that pic looks nice to me (pilot on rears, passenger w/full smile). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenkincb00 0 #3 January 3, 2006 what type of approach does he do? I'm a TI and I personally wouldn't purposely attempt landing with the rears but it looks like he does a good job. The more I travel around the more I see TI's "hooking" tandems in it looks cool but I prefer to save the hooking for solo jumps. Thanks for sharing the pic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikki_ZH 0 #4 January 3, 2006 I don't know if he does a front riser aproach or a toggle whipp but he hooks his landings with a 180.Michi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimblair13 0 #5 January 3, 2006 Well the girl looks like she's having a blast! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #6 January 3, 2006 Any clues on the type of canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #7 January 3, 2006 QuoteAny clues on the type of canopy? Two of our TM's rear riser icarus 375's on a semi-regular basis. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 January 3, 2006 That's pretty impressive! I use my rears with our Sigma mains quite often up top to get pointed where I need to be, miss traffic, etc. However, I've never done it on landing. I've thought about the possibilities due to various types of malfunctions, but wow, that's pretty neat. Do they transition to the toggle as well? Do they typically stand up the landings? You can PM me if you don't want to discuss it in public.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 January 3, 2006 Quotewhat type of approach does he do? I'm a TI and I personally wouldn't purposely attempt landing with the rears but it looks like he does a good job. The more I travel around the more I see TI's "hooking" tandems in it looks cool but I prefer to save the hooking for solo jumps. Thanks for sharing the pic. It's ok, the TM is wearing a helmut. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #10 January 4, 2006 that pic is just awesome! the look on the student's face is priceless. would it take serious arm muscles to rear riser a tandem canopy? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #11 January 4, 2006 That totally depends on what tandem main you are jumping and how in shape you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyflylife 0 #12 January 4, 2006 Does being in shape also govern whether the tandem swoop is created by front risers or a toggle whip? Damn the riser pressure must be immense! ... "swooper 24/7, 365!" ME on Myspace My Project playlist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikki_ZH 0 #13 January 5, 2006 Question of Tandem Canopy: It's a Sigma 370Michi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #14 January 5, 2006 QuoteDoes being in shape also govern whether the tandem swoop is created by front risers or a toggle whip? Damn the riser pressure must be immense! ... Thread drift, but here goes anyway. I would never, ever toggle whip a tandem, but I know people who do/did. As to front risers, I can pull mine down on my Firebolt 350, but can't say I have ever tried on a Sigma (though most of my tandems are under Sigma 370's). I haven't ever tried an "actual" rear riser landing on my tandem, but have done some "emergency" practices at altitude and didn't find it particularly tough. YMMV. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikki_ZH 0 #15 January 5, 2006 Quote Do they transition to the toggle as well? Do they typically stand up the landings? You can PM me if you don't want to discuss it in public. The guy you see on the picture (Vivis) iniciates the last turn with toggles, it's to hard to do it with front risers. He starts the landing with his rears and transitions to toggles to finish the landing. He stands the landings up. He does this with passangers between 55 to 70 kg.Michi (#1068) hsbc/gba/sba www.swissbaseassociation.ch www.michibase.ch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cacophony 0 #16 January 10, 2006 Gotta do a little bragging here. I got the January photo of the month on Canopypiloting.com . BAM! Heh. O.k. Back to tandem swooping! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #17 January 10, 2006 Look how well trained his student is. She's on rears too.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frenchyflyer 0 #18 January 10, 2006 QuoteLook how well trained his student is. She's on rears too..... Good one I hadn't noticed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #19 January 10, 2006 It's just a parachute. They all swoop if you pull the right things at the right time. I'd hate to see a rear riser stall. Or a pax putting their feet down early. Or anything that involved the two them touching down mid-swoop. Otherwise, good show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #20 January 11, 2006 The truth of this is that he's getting more distance because his passenger is leaning forwards."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fledgling 0 #21 January 11, 2006 I honestly don't understand the concept of swooping tandems. As a paid tandem instructor your only priority should be getting your passenger back on the ground safely. Why increase your chance of accidents? Especially when a first time jumper will think that any landing at all was awesome. Do you really think that they will know or care whether you swoop the landing or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cacophony 0 #22 January 11, 2006 QuoteThe truth of this is that he's getting more distance because his passenger is leaning forwards. What a cheap attempt at controversy. I honesly hope you aren't serious. Even though this is a heated topic as far as canopy performance, to just simply say that without anything to back it up is just calling for flame-age! I'm not a TM, but more power to you if you get it right and it looks cool. Godspeed if you screw it up though. Do it for the camera, but only do it to yourself in my opinion! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Extrakt 0 #23 January 11, 2006 QuoteI honestly don't understand the concept of swooping tandems. As a paid tandem instructor your only priority should be getting your passenger back on the ground safely. Why increase your chance of accidents? I would have thought it would be safer caus they stand up the landings, rather than landing on the butt, which can result in a broken coccyx(not sure if i spelt it right). Seen this happen. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #24 January 11, 2006 Swooping a tandem landing does not mean that one will automatically come to a stop on their feet. All of my larger-passenger tandems end up being swoops (stall surge), but I still end up butt surfing the very tall ones for safety. I don't ever pound in on my ass. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenkincb00 0 #25 January 11, 2006 Landing on the butt is not more dangerous than attempting stand up landings, that is dissinformation. Across the board slide in landings are the safest for tandems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
