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Blevins
Again you are off base and have forgotten that I believe the flight path on the Air Chart put together by Sluggo with times on it of 20:14, 20:16, and 20:17 passes to the West of PDX Portland. Much closer than you think to Tena's Bar and a strong wind could have placed it in the Clombia up stream of Tena's Bar so that the current could have delivered the bag of money with the three $20 packs. Sluggo's Air Chart is at www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment
The flotation provided by the bag would be tempory and maybe an experiment could be performed to see how long a paper sack could have provided the flotation.
Bob
Again you are off base and have forgotten that I believe the flight path on the Air Chart put together by Sluggo with times on it of 20:14, 20:16, and 20:17 passes to the West of PDX Portland. Much closer than you think to Tena's Bar and a strong wind could have placed it in the Clombia up stream of Tena's Bar so that the current could have delivered the bag of money with the three $20 packs. Sluggo's Air Chart is at www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment
The flotation provided by the bag would be tempory and maybe an experiment could be performed to see how long a paper sack could have provided the flotation.
Bob
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Jo
I would not expect a blonde to understand something as technical as a paper sack.
Bob
I would not expect a blonde to understand something as technical as a paper sack.
Bob
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QuoteQuoteMakes you want to Cry? I thought it was gruesome - because you do know Weber claimed to have known Dorthy Killgallen and told me she did NOT kill herself.
Supposedly she stayed in a place he worked at. When she was a guest she wanted her paper delivered to her door. She did NOT want them to leave it outside of the door, but to knock on the door and hand it to her.
If my memory serves me right he was a doorman in this hotel, but I do not really know which one. It could have been one of 2 in CO or in New Orleans. How many other jobs Weber held in Hotels and their locations is unknown to me. He told me which Hotel, but time has taken its toll on some of my memory. I want to say it was the Broadmore or Bourbon New Orleans, but uncertainty leaves me to say "I don't know, anymore".
So many individuals who have died strange deaths and all of them seemed to be linked to each other.
Oswald was supposedly connected to Davie Ferrie.
According to members of Duane's extended family he knew Davie Ferrie and they spent a couple of weeks in an apt. he owned when Weber was on the run from the FBI. I believe I had a problem making the yrs work on this story - but, then again time is robbing my memory.
One of the individuals who told me this story was only 14 when they stayed in New Orleans. She also told me she knew Weber was Cooper and then within a few months she met the same fate as Dorthy Killgallen.
Just more co-incidences! Or are they fabrications? Did this person tell me a lie? She had NO reason to lie. I did not know who Davie Ferrie was when she told me the story. I only learned who Ferrie was since this thread started.
You see there are things I too do not talk about because they seem so far fetched NO ONE would ever believe them - but, most of this story I can prove.
If anyone of you had walked in my shoes for the last 15 yrs and talked to the people I have talked to and been told the stories I have been told - you would either be running scared or fighting the system. I chose to stand up and fight .
Why I have just told this story in its entirety. I did NOT solicit the story the girl told me. I did NOT make the facts fit....they just did.
I do not know if she even realized the story she told me would eventually fit pieces of the puzzle together. I do not know the extent of her education and if she really knew who Ferrie was at that time...one thing for sure I didn't know who Ferrie was when she told me that story.
If none of you ever remember anything I have ever told you - remember this story. I do NOT know what the significance is - but it is NOT very comforting.
Ever Notice that when I make a post like the one above - it is ignored?
Puzzling? Not really, because the truth is stranger than anything anyone could ever make up. All of the above post is FACT.
People ignore them because (a) they discount wild conspiracy theories and more importantly (b) there is no connection to Cooper.
And it is interesting that you say "All of the above post is FACT" when your own post is peppered with "supposedly" this and that, uncertainty as to exactly who what and when. How is that "FACT"???? The absolute hallmark of a conspiracy theory is to present a number of "suppose this" suppose that" "if this because of that" "maybe" and then somehow conclude it all happened and that supports the conspiracy. That is what you've done!!!
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
Robert I was told the same thing Blevins was told, only miles was not mentioned....just East of Portland. The objective was to STAY out of populated areas in the event of a disastor because there was supposedly a bomb on board.
The plane crossed the Columbia approximately East of Vancouver and West of Cames...and then made a slight curve East to continue West but did NOT fly over Portland nor was the plane West of the Vector at any time.
Remember I am a layman who knows Nothing about airline terminology so what I was told was kept on my level and very general. This conversation took place between 2004 and 2006. It was BEFORE the co-pilot had his accident...since I was using a cell I have no record to give the exact date of the conversation.
The mention of the plane being West was in a media article and the only source I had found that mentioned this. I believed this to be a media error and why I even mentioned it to the co-pilot. They were very close to Troutdale Airport.
The reason Troutdale came up in the conversation was because Duane had taken me there and he told me a couple of things about the airstrip and the industrial park. We were on OREGON side on our way home (so I thought at that time). Duane again talked about the pipelines and power lines that came over from near the Port of Cames in Washougal -he had pointed them out several days before on our way to Seattle but from the WA side as we went thru Washougal.
You do know that since 1979 when I was there and then when I was there in 2011 - I found the had moved the Port of Cames. This was my first night in Cames and I was very distraught having left St. Helens, OR that morning and exploring I-5 and then to Battleground and 500. It got dark on me and I stopped in Ferndale to go to the bathroom (all they had was an outdoor privey). It was getting dark and I didn't know how from Washougal I was.
My chest and arm was hurting and someone called the police.
As I got to Washougal I was approached with Blue lights for the second time in my life. When the patrol man stopped me I pulled into a well lit public area.
He said one of the Cames employees thought I was in trouble. I explained I was exhausted and that I didn't drive at night and I had NO recent maps of the area (I did NOT explain why I was there and why the maps I had were very old).
I carried these OLD maps so I could filter out the new from the old and ignore the new.
I followed the patrolman to a motel on the Columbia, but I was exhausted. Too exhausted to even go find a place to eat.
That night with a soda and chips for dinner, I went outside in the parking lot to smoke (yes, I occassionally smoke under stress). I just asked the Creator (God) and Duane to guide me and to give me a sign that WHAT I was doing and the money I was spending was NOT for nothing. I went to bed crying and exhausted.
The next moring after having a very ample breakfast I went out that same door to smoke and to decide what I should do that day. I looked up and saw the Power towers - the very same towers Duane had shown me. I ran in and as the desk clerk what was behind the hotel. She told me the Port of Cames and I stated that I thought the Port was East of the Towers. She explained to me they moved the Port after or when they built the new highway.
That was my "signal" on that second night of my venture and part of why I stayed 15 days spending money I did not need to spend. After that I just kept finding more and more of the things and places he took me and showed me - things I had been told by the FBI and JT that did NOT exist - but, they were ALL there. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
I expect it may have been because my memory did not take into consideration time and space between the places Duane took me. My memory was putting all of these things closer together - but, anyone who knew the area would have known the places I described and would not have told me they did NOT exist or that my husband turned me around or have called me a liar.
I left WA and OR after 15 days in Oct of 2011 knowing that I was NOT delusional and I had NOT misremembered the details of the trip and that Duane did NOT lie to me. I knew everything was OKAY with me and with the Creator and each day I learned more and I came home knowing I had found some pieces of the puzzle and with some peace of mind.
I did NOT get to go back to all of the places - I ran out of time and money (also I was only good for about 5 hours everyday) and I tried to make the best of those 5 hours each day except for the 2 days I had a reaction to the cleaning chemicals used and was not able to see well enough to drive...I did manage to change lodging accommodations - when I got me eyes where I felt safe enough to seek other lodging.
The plane crossed the Columbia approximately East of Vancouver and West of Cames...and then made a slight curve East to continue West but did NOT fly over Portland nor was the plane West of the Vector at any time.
Remember I am a layman who knows Nothing about airline terminology so what I was told was kept on my level and very general. This conversation took place between 2004 and 2006. It was BEFORE the co-pilot had his accident...since I was using a cell I have no record to give the exact date of the conversation.
The mention of the plane being West was in a media article and the only source I had found that mentioned this. I believed this to be a media error and why I even mentioned it to the co-pilot. They were very close to Troutdale Airport.
The reason Troutdale came up in the conversation was because Duane had taken me there and he told me a couple of things about the airstrip and the industrial park. We were on OREGON side on our way home (so I thought at that time). Duane again talked about the pipelines and power lines that came over from near the Port of Cames in Washougal -he had pointed them out several days before on our way to Seattle but from the WA side as we went thru Washougal.
You do know that since 1979 when I was there and then when I was there in 2011 - I found the had moved the Port of Cames. This was my first night in Cames and I was very distraught having left St. Helens, OR that morning and exploring I-5 and then to Battleground and 500. It got dark on me and I stopped in Ferndale to go to the bathroom (all they had was an outdoor privey). It was getting dark and I didn't know how from Washougal I was.
My chest and arm was hurting and someone called the police.
As I got to Washougal I was approached with Blue lights for the second time in my life. When the patrol man stopped me I pulled into a well lit public area.
He said one of the Cames employees thought I was in trouble. I explained I was exhausted and that I didn't drive at night and I had NO recent maps of the area (I did NOT explain why I was there and why the maps I had were very old).
I carried these OLD maps so I could filter out the new from the old and ignore the new.
I followed the patrolman to a motel on the Columbia, but I was exhausted. Too exhausted to even go find a place to eat.
That night with a soda and chips for dinner, I went outside in the parking lot to smoke (yes, I occassionally smoke under stress). I just asked the Creator (God) and Duane to guide me and to give me a sign that WHAT I was doing and the money I was spending was NOT for nothing. I went to bed crying and exhausted.
The next moring after having a very ample breakfast I went out that same door to smoke and to decide what I should do that day. I looked up and saw the Power towers - the very same towers Duane had shown me. I ran in and as the desk clerk what was behind the hotel. She told me the Port of Cames and I stated that I thought the Port was East of the Towers. She explained to me they moved the Port after or when they built the new highway.
That was my "signal" on that second night of my venture and part of why I stayed 15 days spending money I did not need to spend. After that I just kept finding more and more of the things and places he took me and showed me - things I had been told by the FBI and JT that did NOT exist - but, they were ALL there. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
I expect it may have been because my memory did not take into consideration time and space between the places Duane took me. My memory was putting all of these things closer together - but, anyone who knew the area would have known the places I described and would not have told me they did NOT exist or that my husband turned me around or have called me a liar.
I left WA and OR after 15 days in Oct of 2011 knowing that I was NOT delusional and I had NOT misremembered the details of the trip and that Duane did NOT lie to me. I knew everything was OKAY with me and with the Creator and each day I learned more and I came home knowing I had found some pieces of the puzzle and with some peace of mind.
I did NOT get to go back to all of the places - I ran out of time and money (also I was only good for about 5 hours everyday) and I tried to make the best of those 5 hours each day except for the 2 days I had a reaction to the cleaning chemicals used and was not able to see well enough to drive...I did manage to change lodging accommodations - when I got me eyes where I felt safe enough to seek other lodging.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
georger 197
QuoteBlevins
Again you are off base and have forgotten that I believe the flight path on the Air Chart put together by Sluggo with times on it of 20:14, 20:16, and 20:17 passes to the West of PDX Portland. Much closer than you think to Tena's Bar and a strong wind could have placed it in the Clombia up stream of Tena's Bar so that the current could have delivered the bag of money with the three $20 packs. Sluggo's Air Chart is at www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment
The flotation provided by the bag would be tempory and maybe an experiment could be performed to see how long a paper sack could have provided the flotation.
Bob
well at least you are thinking about it and doing some background work, which is more than most people do - congrats!
georger 197
So please, no more talk about how I did the book to get rich.
only one person here has even brought it up.
Jo Weber.
so why the billboard?
Quote
QuoteThe artist tried to portray the action with the mouth - but, NONE of the witnesses felt it was right - so they used the generic version.
He tired to portray the SLANTING forehead. Depending on the angle one viewed Cooper at - the forehead was different. This is because of the SLANT of the forhead.QuoteCould you elaborate on the exact "action" that was made with his mouth? as well as the "slant" on the forehead?
QuoteAction Jo alledges ie Being Angry ................ dont
laugh.
Its another one of Jo's claims and attempts to invent evidence see her post below along with her original photo composite trying to show Duane's
mouth was Cooper's 'surly' mouth and expression.
In fact, Jo is NOT using the mouth from the original sketch for her demonstration but one she selected from one of her favorite 'remakes'. Jo always rigs
the deck in her favor when she can ... I have posted her composite and the original mouth
from the original sketch in a composite below...
The problem is: the original FBI sketch does not show that angry look Jo claims! The FBI sketch is
neutral. See that original sketch attached.
(portioned edited out for the sake of time and space, but Georger goes on to say the below).
Keep in mind: its a fact the FBi has never released all of the physically defining traits witnesses testified to. All sketches omit those traits. There also are no official side views of Cooper which were released.
NOW let's get Down to the Nitty Gritty Georger.
Have YOU talked to Doug Pasternac? I am sure he has ALL of his notes from that interview with the artist, but he is NOT going to relate it someone on the phone or by email - FACE to FACE. This WAS not made available to the Media - but something I held on to and so did Doug.
The lip Comparisons I used are
the old Rose composites and the Shaffner composite and a prison photo of Duane on intake in
1960. He was not very happy - the lip compares to both old composites. I have pictures of Duane Weber YOU have NOT seen.
Yet, YOU Georger come back with " its a fact the FBI has never released all of the physically defining traits witnesses testified to. All sketches omit those traits. There also are no official side views of Cooper which were released"
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Explain yourself here Georger! Explain how and why you could make that statement above I just pasted in RED. You have denied being connected to the FBI or CIA. So how would you be PRIVEY to that infomation. PROVE it just like you and others have asked me to prove this or that about Weber.
Explain to the thread and to the World - WHY the FBI would NOT make or omit physically defining traits regarding the description of Cooper IF they really wanted to catch him. Most important EXPLAIN how you would be privey to that kind of information,
I held on for years waiting for someone just like you to make that kind of statement. Are you a spokesman for the FBI or CIA or some other operative group?
Georger - my roots ARE NOT blonde.
You have belittled me and made fun of me at times - and now I GOTTCHA! I have even waited for sometime since you made the statement to see if you would put the banana in your mouth again. You didn't, but you did NOT go back and delete or edit your post...you thought it would just go away!
Georger - ANSWER the QUESTION and QiUT trying to CHANGE the Subject.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Farflung 0
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU5klWoMcK0
Time to get those creative juices flowing and craft a new cover for the anticipated Fourth Revision of ‘Into the Blast’. This appears to take a great deal of time and money so I thought I would invest a little of one and none of the other as a sort of sky geek exercise. I just give and give.
I felt the cover should have an instant impact on the target customer therefore limiting text or multisyllabic words combined with things that blowed up real good.
Additionally I wanted to convey a sense of well being with building stages of dread and fear as the truth is discovered. Parallel to that would be the story structure and how it has withstood time and ‘revised research’. I just hope I have come close to achieving these goals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU5klWoMcK0
Time to get those creative juices flowing and craft a new cover for the anticipated Fourth Revision of ‘Into the Blast’. This appears to take a great deal of time and money so I thought I would invest a little of one and none of the other as a sort of sky geek exercise. I just give and give.
I felt the cover should have an instant impact on the target customer therefore limiting text or multisyllabic words combined with things that blowed up real good.
Additionally I wanted to convey a sense of well being with building stages of dread and fear as the truth is discovered. Parallel to that would be the story structure and how it has withstood time and ‘revised research’. I just hope I have come close to achieving these goals.
Orange1 0
QuoteI only want the truth,
377 was right way back when... you're hooked!
I remember a promise to let this whole thing go once the book was out the way ...
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
Mr. Blevins, Just who did Rataczak tell that the flight was 10+ miles east of Interstate 5? Some authors and other people report that Rataczak told them otherwise.
And how did Rataczak determine that his flight path was as you have claimed?
Some people on this thread seem unable to understand that claims about the airliner's flight path must be backed up with facts. Times, positions, aircraft headings and speeds, and winds aloft direction and speed must be considered consistently and systematically.
Claims without supporting evidence don't mean anything.
Robert Nicholson
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