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I posted a comment here on the soda cans months ago.. Shutter's site is looking at it now, but I did work on this a while back.

Palmer found soda cans in the same top layer as the money and suggested that if the soda cans could be dated it may help determine the arrival time of the money on TBAR. Palmer also stated that the debris in the upper layer with the money was fresher and not very damaged.

There is NO suggestion the soda cans came from Cooper. 

It looks like the Sioux City Sarsaparilla was introduced 1973+.. I found one reference for 1973, another source for 1974 and an ad for Aug 73.. so late '73.. "White Rock" did have a sarsaparilla way back but it had a different name. 

This suggests the money did not arrive on TBAR before 1973. 

 

Further, I have analyzed a really good profile shot of TBAR during the dig from 1980..

The slope is 10-11%, the distance from the river waterline (Feb 1980) to the money spot is about 40 ft..  THAT IS ONLY A 4-4.5 ft ELEVATION RISE from the Feb 1980 River level.

Reports at the time claimed the money was found at the high water mark and was frequently under water,,, you don't need the 72/74 flood for the River to reach the money spot. Those floods at 21 ft put the money spot 60-70 ft into the River.

The seasonal high water flow for the Columbia is Spring.. matches spring diatoms.

Kaye = exposed to River in Spring.

Palmer = arrived within about a year.

All of this suggests the money arrived within a year or so of the 1980 find,, spring 1979 or possibly spring 1978.. 

 

Eric's TBAR burial theory is complete nonsense, it doesn't fit the facts and is speculation well beyond reason. Eric, as usual is claiming supporting facts that just are not so.

 

AND there is NO evidence to support the claim AS FACT that the money could have ONLY arrived as three separate packets. Most likely, they were part of a single rubber banded bundle, that is how it was given to Cooper. It is reasonable that as the rubber bands holding the bundle deteriorated the three packets then separated slightly and were found together. 

The three packets of 100 bills were in the same order as given to Cooper.

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6 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I posted a comment here on the soda cans months ago.. Shutter's site is looking at it now, but I did work on this a while back.

Palmer found soda cans in the same top layer as the money and suggested that if the soda cans could be dated it may help determine the arrival time of the money on TBAR. Palmer also stated that the debris in the upper layer with the money was fresher and not very damaged.

There is NO suggestion the soda cans came from Cooper. 

It looks like the Sioux City Sarsaparilla was introduced 1973+.. I found one reference for 1973, another source for 1974 and an ad for Aug 73.. so late '73.. "White Rock" did have a sarsaparilla way back but it had a different name. 

This suggests the money did not arrive on TBAR before 1973. 

 

Further, I have analyzed a really good profile shot of TBAR during the dig from 1980..

The slope is 10-11%, the distance from the river waterline (Feb 1980) to the money spot is about 40 ft..  THAT IS ONLY A 4-4.5 ft ELEVATION RISE from the Feb 1980 River level.

Reports at the time claimed the money was found at the high water mark and was frequently under water,,, you don't need the 72/74 flood for the River to reach the money spot. Those floods at 21 ft put the money spot 60-70 ft into the River.

The seasonal high water flow for the Columbia is Spring.. matches spring diatoms.

Kaye = exposed to River in Spring.

Palmer = arrived within about a year.

All of this suggests the money arrived within a year or so of the 1980 find,, spring 1979 or possibly spring 1978.. 

 

Eric's TBAR burial theory is complete nonsense, it doesn't fit the facts and is speculation well beyond reason. Eric, as usual is claiming supporting facts that just are not so.

 

AND there is NO evidence to support the claim AS FACT that the money could have ONLY arrived as three separate packets. Most likely, they were part of a single rubber banded bundle, that is how it was given to Cooper. It is reasonable that as the rubber bands holding the bundle deteriorated the three packets then separated slightly and were found together. 

The three packets of 100 bills were in the same order as given to Cooper.

BTW a 10-11% slope = 5.71-6.28 degrees

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Ah...now I understand the significance of the soda cans. Your theory makes sense. 

Here in Cooper Country, to borrow a term from Bruce S, the situation is not good. We have wildfires going all over the state, and some of them in non-typical places for wildfires, such as my hometown of Sumner, WA. One of our former cleaning customers lost their home due to the recent Bonney Lake/Sumner wildfire, but the good news is that it wasn't actually THEIR house anymore because they had sold it earlier this year and moved to another town about twenty miles away. A beautiful place, it had been built only two years ago. Bonney Lake/Sumner is less than ten miles from where I live now. I grew up on a small farm there, and was a junior at Sumner High when the Cooper caper happened. 

Over in eastern Washington, more fires rage on, almost beyond the capacity of firefighters to deal with them. An entire small town, Malden, wiped out. Even the Fire Department building burned down. Malden is just south of Spokane, WA. Other fires rage further north, and more toward the central part of the state. Some are so large they remind me of what Chief Dan George said in the film, The Outlaw Josey Wales. "Hell is coming to breakfast." And it certainly is. Facebook pages are springing up where people just post to let others know they're still alive, even if their homes have burned to the ground. Everyone wonders what will happen NEXT year. Meanwhile, the winters become milder and the summers much hotter and drier. It's a recipe for a Great Northwest disaster on an unprecedented scale. Sometimes I wonder what will be left in ten years. Then you have the constant riots and the scourge of Covid, and an economy that is rapidly going into the toilet. 

In one of these eastern Washington fires just today, a young couple with a one-year-old baby were trapped while trying to escape the flames in their truck, and were forced to abandon it and run for the Columbia River. The baby died, and the couple were burned so badly that they were evacuated to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle with major burns, critical condition. The wife is pregnant with their second child as well. It's one of the saddest stories to come out of all this. 

The Evans Canyon fire near Wenas, WA (near to Naches) continues to burn. A few years ago I camped up there (above Mud Lake) when I owned the Subaru wagon. (Picture below) I remember not even doing a campfire because everything was bone-dry. Washington state governor Jay Inslee is becoming very vocal on the cause of all these fires, and he blames it on global warming. I am of the same opinion. Hell...even if there WAS any Cooper evidence remaining in Washington, you'd think that eventually the fires will wipe it out. (In the picture, which was taken in 2005, that is not smoke in the background, but FOG, since it was an early-morning shot snapped in the fall.)

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And this is a situation that increases exponentially. In other words, the worse it gets...the faster it gets worse...because the massive amounts of smoke created by these constant wildfires also increases the amount of heat trapped by sunlight. For a while, I was considering collaborating on a book with Weather Underground's Jeff Masters titled 'The Burning of the West,' but he said there are already a few books about it out there already. *(I proposed editing the thing and adding personal stories and pictures from people, while he did the technical side of the book.)

I have experienced a shift in my thinking over the last year. Frankly, the Cooper thing is becoming secondary to me. In fact, it's rapidly dropping off my 'care about this issue' list. Covid-19 has put the brakes on almost everything in Hollywood, and I can't tell you with any certainty if they will actually MAKE the movie on Cooper that I signed to assist on. And even MORE frankly...I don't even care much anymore. It's not like I actually need the money. They tell me they still want to do the picture, but we will see. I'm starting to look at the future, and that future means moving closer to my family, my grown-up kids and THEIR kids, none of whom live in the Northwest. Cooper country is rapidly becoming a smoky hellhole with awful traffic, high rents, bad roads, high taxes, and (sometimes in summer) worse air pollution than Beijing, China. What was once one of the prettiest places to live in America is turning to SHIT. Right now I have two air conditioners going, along with two expensive indoor air filters, and it is barely tolerable. Who the hell wants to live like THAT?

You might call this a 'Facebook' type post, but I see the same posts at other Cooper websites, especially from Bruce S and Dave B, who discuss their problems regarding either storms that plague Florida, or Bruce's worries regarding Covid-19. I would say we've all reached a point in Cooper country where the environment we helped create on a worldwide scale is now affecting our daily lives here, our welfare, and possibly our futures. In my opinion, the combination of the constant fires, the economy, Covid, and the rioters smashing windows and participating in violence...all these things have made the Great Northwest a shadow of what it once was...with no end in sight. When I finally pack up next year and move to Oceanside, CA I won't miss this place a bit. And the surprising thing is that a year ago, I thought I would miss it a lot. Now I look forward to leaving for good. That is the saddest thing of all, for me personally anyway. :`(

 

 

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global WARMING, not 'warning'

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The "continuously" statement is accurate, it didn't come from Fazio... it came from a local resident who walked the beach daily.

There are two dredge spoil designations there.. the Fazio's property and the beach area which goes onto the adjacent property..

The money find was in the Northern site, most of it off the Fazio property.

 

Eric said Fazio didn't even remember the correct money spot.

 

Existing disposal sites 1975

97.1 Fazio site

96.6 Adjacent Fazio site 95% off Fazio property

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The money find location was about 4 ft above the water level in Feb 1980..

These images end Eric's nonsense burial theory..  

There is clearly dredge spoils on the beach in '73.. exactly where the money was found.. the shoreline is dramatically different.

Right Sept 1971 - Left July 1973

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

The money find location was about 4 ft above the water level in Feb 1980..

These images end Eric's nonsense burial theory..  

There is clearly dredge spoils on the beach in '73.. exactly where the money was found.. the shoreline is dramatically different.

Right Sept 1971 - Left July 1973

 

 

 

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What a clown show... over there. STOP using my stuff. Do your own homework.

The shoreline clearly shows deposits after sept 71 and before July 1973 right at the money spot.. 

This is Sept 74 showing the documented fresh dredge spoils, and in Sept 75 it is almost gone, but you can still see slight bumps on the shoreline.. just like the 73 spoils at the money spot.

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'What a clown show... over there. STOP using my stuff. Do your own homework...' (Flyjack says)

You should know by now that's what they do over there. The reason they don't come HERE to address your stuff where it actually gets posted is because Dave and company can't control the conversation. Over there they can. They are afraid of Dropzone. They haven't said so of course, but once in a while you read posts saying they wish it would go away. They were even rooting for the spammer who dumped hundreds of XXX-rated porn onto this site. People who go that route don't need to be judged, because everyone knows they are a closed clique who will support anyone in that clique who is an active member...even if the stuff they post is either a lie, or something out of the Twilight Zone. Some of their biggest contributors actively support attacks on other Cooper investigators (and sometimes their families) as well. So you have to expect they aren't going to change that behavior. 

To me, it doesn't matter. I no longer visit there and I am more than happy to provide examples of that behavior to certain key people. I don't volunteer it, but it is gladly provided. Bruce S is the biggest example. B) He doesn't know what I know, but if he did, he wouldn't like it. I would have emailed him about the situation, but he tells lies about my emails, doesn't read them as far as I can tell, so I quit messaging him months ago. 

Pretty mysterious, huh? Not really. 

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Get the facts right.

I posted my tie dating research to contribute to the general case knowledge for everyone. I never expected credit.. it was to advance the case for all to use. I also emailed it to several people.

About 1-1.5 years later Eric posts the same research, he claimed it was ALL his and then called me a liar and troll ever since. Eric is a liar and a complete fraud. Eric cherry picks/contorts info that fits his Sheridan narrative while completely ignoring or discrediting contradictory info. His Sheridan narrative is a joke and everyone knows it.

 

Eric did three things..

He used my research and claimed it was his.

He made a false claim about the date, he claimed the tie dated to 1963 to advance his Sheridan narrative. FALSE, it was NOT 1963. If he did the research he would know that.

He then called me a liar and troll ever since.

 

Because of this I stopped posting everything I have.

 

IMO, this is one of the most overlooked pieces of evidence..

The tie was manufactured from about Spring 1964 to the end of 1964. So, it likely sold roughly Spring 1964-early 1965. The tie particles accumulated from then to the hijacking.

Pinning down a suspects environment from those dates forward is crucial.

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FACT is, I posted the tie dating research on Shutter's site and emailed it to others long before Eric ever mentioned it..

FACT is, I didn't care about any attribution. I posted it for anyone to use.

 

I have no reason to lie... why would I care..

The only dumpster fire is Eric's Sheridan alt flightpath, burial, retrieval narrative, we all know it but others won't say it publicly.

 

The tie was NOT manufactured in 1963, if Eric did the research he would know that.

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Here is what I found.. (if you don't like it, do your own homework)

The money spot was about 4 ft above the river level in Feb 1980. Not 9 ft, not 10 ft. You don't need the 72/74 flood event for the River to reach the spot.

According to reports from the site (and images), the money was found at the 1980 high water line. Here in June (seasonal high water flow) 1978 it was right at the water line. (Eric's false facts and theory busted again)

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There are two distinct active designated disposal sites (1975): The Southern Fazio sand and gravel operation and the property N of Fazio's owned by Egger. The N site is a beach replenishment site and on the map it encroaches slightly onto the Fazio property. The material for the Fazio operation is used for a commercial purpose, it is placed in large piles.. The Northern beach replenishment serves a different purpose. Beach replenishment was done after flood events. The 1973 image looks like beach replenishment after the 1972 flood..

97.1 is the Fazio sand and gravel operation.. The Northern site is nearly entirely on the Egger property. 

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1971/1973,, that looks like beach replenishment and it is right at the money spot.

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The money find spot is very close to the intersection of 3 separate parcels, Fazio's to the S and two adjacent one's owned by Egger.. There is a report that is was actually on the Egger's side though the digging to the S was on the Fazio property. I have tried to pinpoint the exact spot and it looks like it was on the Egger's side but I can't say for sure. It is really close to the boundary. The property line depicting the shoreline (North/South) is estimated according to the source (Clarke County)

On the Egger side of boundary.

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Palmer pointing to spot, on Egger side. Red line boundary.

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I can't confirm it is on the Egger side but it might be or very close.

Point is the beach replenishment on the Egger side would have included the money spot.

 

The spokesperson for the Army Corp of Engineers in Feb 1980 said that dredging was continuous, last one in 1974.

 

Show me all the records for both sites,, 

 

 

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Over at the private forum, the action is slow...but we did pick up a couple of new members yesterday. One of them was interviewed for Darren's podcast. If you don't want everything you post to be copied over to 'that other place' then this is a hint for you. 

I don't know what else to suggest. 'They' do that over there, without even having the courtesy to address your posts where they originate, although 'they' are here looking at everything DZ on a daily basis. Technically, I don't have a problem with that. I used to do the same thing to 'them'. But when I did...they would complain to our server host. On the other hand, they would quote ME over THERE and say whatever they wished about all that, without worrying I would respond directly. It's no longer a big deal to me, since I have quit harping on about KC and often post up the more social aspects of the Cooper case, rather than any direct evidence on KC or other suspects. 

As far as your (Flyjack) work on the Tina Bar information, I would say your research is solid. I don't know what they're saying over at 'the other place,' but since they also support Bruce S and his allowing of hate-based posts to his MN site, and support other major posters who haven't a clue, this is to be expected. 

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Yes DAVE, your site is a clown show, a toxic environment that YOU enable.. 

I responded to the BS and attacks against me from your site, I don't instigate, this is what you fail to understand. 

I am doing my own thing and you clowns copy my stuff from this site and attack me.

Your clown show instigates. Then you blame me when I defend myself.. you are a joke.

Everybody knows your site is toxic, people don't post there or they hold back because they don't want to be attacked and feel the need to defend themselves all the time.

 

I have never posted pics from your site and I have only responded to smears and disinformation instigated there.

Don't use my stuff from here and don't mention me on your site and problem solved.

Just pretend I don't even exist. Thanks.

 

I really just want to focus on the Cooper case...

 

 

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'Yes DAVE, your site is a clown show, a toxic environment that YOU enable.. '

I agree with that assessment, and I have heard similar (but more polite) comments from some media types. It started out okay, but when the main players over there began supporting each other, no matter how ridiculous they became either THERE or at their own websites...nobody involved with Dave's place questioned it. Some examples:

1) Saying they hoped Bryan Woodruff would be able to reopen the store after Dona Elliott's death...but steadfastly standing against my efforts to help him, and sending him emails that eventually helped turn Bryan against both me and AB of Seattle. To make things worse, they now have a special 'memorial' thread to Bryan, which is one of the most phony things I have ever seen them do. It's true that Bryan got a bit miffed at us after the fundraiser, but it's also true that if Bryan didn't want our help, and didn't want to involve us in this fundraiser...he would have said so before accepting nearly $3,000 in assistance from us. I probably could have worked things out with Bryan shortly after the fundraiser and told him about my mother's generous offer to front up the money to re-open the place, but members of Dave's place couldn't wait to jump in there with jealous emails and trash any chance Bryan had to change his mind. The day after the fundraiser, Bryan sent me these emails. That's when I knew that certain members at Dave's place were more than willing to trash any chance Bryan had to reopen...simply because they didn't like ME being involved. It was one of the lowest, and most selfish things I had ever seen anybody do to someone else in the Cooper case. The only one hurt was Bryan. NOW they come with a memorial page. It's the phoniest BS I have ever seen. They should have supported anything and everything regarding that store, without making popularity contest decisions...while Bryan was still alive. The better alternative if they actually CARED about Bryan and the store would have been send him emails downplaying the negative (Bryan was bit touchy sometimes) and encouraging him to accept our support, since it was probably the best chance he had to accomplish his goals. Instead, they went after me with Bryan...and slammed the door on any chance Bryan had to reopen. 

2) They support Bruce S completely, one of their biggest contributors, while Bruce allows filthy comments on his MN every time he posts up a new article. The Peanut Gallery comes out with their usual 'Blevins' stuff and fill up the comments. I don't care about this much anymore, mainly because I know it's causing damage to Bruce's reputation, and detracts from the substance of the articles. I figure Bruce is almost at the obsessive point with me. And trust me...I have NO problem taking screenshots of all that for later use. This scenario only proves that Dave's place is slanted toward a few key members simply to keep the whole thing going. But except for the actual people involved, I don't think anyone's paying much attention anymore. 

3) But the worst thing about all this isn't the personalities involved, many of whom I agree are clowns. The worst thing is that they post up links to this bit of evidence or that...but only registered members can actually SEE the links to anything they post. It's the silliest way to run a public website I've ever seen. At least at Dropzone the public gets to see any evidence people post on the case. I have never understood this policy, unless Dave's worried he can't afford the bandwidth. What happens with a policy like that is if a member posts up about their latest book, a media contact, or something they want the public (or other media) to see...the public CAN'T see it, which is self-defeating for those members, most of whom have supported the site from the start.  Before anyone points out that AB has a private website on the case, understand that our site was established as private from the very start, and was never meant to be public. And the reason it was established that way, (at least in part) was to avoid problems from people who hang out at another site...who also contribute nothing to DZ, but don't mind quoting the DZ site all day. So for the public stuff, it's Dropzone. For the private, we have the EDB Cooper Forum. For the folks who support each other no matter what, and exclude everyone else...there is Dave's place. 

On a side note, we DO have a VERY public site on Cooper where contributors are welcome. That is the Everything DB Cooper Space at Quora dot com. Any post made there by a contributor...a link and a preview to that post goes out automatically by email to about 2,000 people who signed up for the feed. This opportunity is the best one available in Cooperland, yet hardly anyone takes advantage of it. In addition, sometimes your post will be shared not only by others, but by Quora staff themselves, who sometimes kick your post out to up to 10,000 additional users at Quora, although the average is 1,000-5,000. That's about as inclusive and public as it gets. So it isn't like we don't give Cooper folks the biggest opportunity to reach people that exists today in the Cooper Community. Just because you may not like me personally...there's no use in being foolish about the whole thing. I can tell you this much about Quora and the Cooper Space there. If it didn't work...my views there to content would be a lot less than the 3.2 million they sit at today. Dave's place doesn't even come close to that. Frankly, it's one of the reasons why Blast continues to sell at a steady rate, month after month, for the last nine years. In fact, sales picked up considerably after I established that site at Quora, although I don't use it to advertise the book. I don't have to. Your profile and your content views do that for you easily. The screenshot below of my profile there pretty much sums it up for the people who say 'No one listens to him.' Wake up and smell the coffee. :pointleft: There are other games in town, you know. Click on picture for a better view...of REALITY. ^_^

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I would say that pretty much sums up the situation. Since no one is likely to change any of their approaches anytime soon, then you have to deal with things as they are. 

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The money was about 4ft above the water level at the time of the find in Feb 1980.. Less if it was buried 6 inches..

That makes sense.. Fazio stated the "place is periodically underwater during high river runoff, like last week"

 

 

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The article is a bit hard to read without blowing it up a bit, but I saw where Himmelsbach was still going with some false assumptions:

1) He says: "Unlike the money, Cooper is biodegradable..."  WRONG. Both Cooper AND the money are biodegradable. In fact, in the long scheme of things, remains of a body would probably survive a lot longer than paper money. 

2) (paraphrased) "We know none of the money was found in circulation..."  Another myth. Himmelsbach fails to note, although Agent Larry Carr DID...that most banks gave up the search for the bills within three months of receiving the bill list, and virtually all of them abandoned the effort within no more than six months. Larry Carr asserts this himself in his radio interview with Steven Rinehart, the one linked at the bottom of the Cooper page at Wikipedia. 

There is also the results of my phone interview with the Treasury officer who worked at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving for more than 30 years when I interviewed him. In a nutshell, he said not a chance in hell would BEP or the Fed banks check all their incoming twenties for years, as Himmelsbach used to claim was happening. He said both entities, the BEP and the Fed Banks, had to deal with truckloads (his words) of currency each week. An order came down from the FBI...and it was basically ignored. The Treasury guy told me they might do it for a few days, a week or two at most, and then they would have abandoned the job as impossible. You are dealing with Federal employees here. (Think: Post Office and bureaucrats) So this does not surprise me a bit. 

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12 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

The article is a bit hard to read without blowing it up a bit, but I saw where Himmelsbach was still going with some false assumptions:

1) He says: "Unlike the money, Cooper is biodegradable..."  WRONG. Both Cooper AND the money are biodegradable. In fact, in the long scheme of things, remains of a body would probably survive a lot longer than paper money. 

2) (paraphrased) "We know none of the money was found in circulation..."  Another myth. Himmelsbach fails to note, although Agent Larry Carr DID...that most banks gave up the search for the bills within three months of receiving the bill list, and virtually all of them abandoned the effort within no more than six months. Larry Carr asserts this himself in his radio interview with Steven Rinehart, the one linked at the bottom of the Cooper page at Wikipedia. 

There is also the results of my phone interview with the Treasury officer who worked at the Bureau of Printing and Engraving for more than 30 years when I interviewed him. In a nutshell, he said not a chance in hell would BEP or the Fed banks check all their incoming twenties for years, as Himmelsbach used to claim was happening. He said both entities, the BEP and the Fed Banks, had to deal with truckloads (his words) of currency each week. An order came down from the FBI...and it was basically ignored. The Treasury guy told me they might do it for a few days, a week or two at most, and then they would have abandoned the job as impossible. You are dealing with Federal employees here. (Think: Post Office and bureaucrats) So this does not surprise me a bit. 

I agree with that but here is the problem,, once the bills get initially passed by Cooper they get into circulation. Now, you have potentially 9700 bills randomly circulating throughout the system and not one ever gets identified. 

IMO, it is unlikely all or most of the bills were passed in the US.

either Cooper lost all the money, it was hidden and never spent or it was taken out of the US.

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I found a record showing in 1973 at RM 95.9,, 66,615 yards of material was deposited for erosion mitigation,, directly across from the money find. The context for the report and record is the Oregon side ONLY so it would not show anything done on the Washington side.

It was common to do beach replenishment after a flood (1972)

 

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I recently discussed the TBAR slope with Tom..

He got 5.5 deg from his photo, I got 5.7 deg from this photo (about 10% slope). Essentially a match..

using people in the photo and the slope it puts the money spot height at about 4 ft above the water level in Feb 1980.

Sorry Eric, wrong again.

 

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Here in June 1978 the river level is right at the money spot.. it looks to be just N of the Fazio's and on the Egger property but it is too close to call.

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Apparently for some "continuous" means once every ten years...

 

“During fishing season, the beach is packed from end to end, say local residents Clarence and Barbara Ellis. They have lived in their mobile home just down the road from Fazio Bros. for the past 30 years.

Every day Clarence takes his outboard skiff along Tina Bar patrolling the river and the beach for renegade logs that could damage other boats.

Ellis says that the Army Corps of Engineers continuously dredges sand directly off the shore from where the money was found.

 

 

“Today a spokesman for the Army Engineers said they were working closely with the FBI, checking out that lead, The sand sucked up from the bottom of the river and spewed onto the beach could have contained some or all of the long-sought money. While dredging is continuous, the last time sand was deposited in that spot was in October 1974.”

 

“The beach property actually belongs to the Hans Egger family of Vancouver."

This may have been an early assumption because the spot is so close to the property boundary.. it is too hard to pinpoint today but the money spot is just on one side of the property boundary line.

 

Edit: The quotes above are not my statements, they are reports at the time..

Your ignorance is duly noted.

Here is the Egger property bordering N of Fazio's.. along the River right at the money spot.

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Edited by FLYJACK

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Tom's diatom research indicates they entered the money packets in Spring when the money fanned out.. Spring 72-79

The diatoms would not have penetrated the sand or a solid clump of bills.

Palmer and the Army Corps suggest the money landed on TBAR within a year or so of the find in 1980. 78-79

If the 1974 dredge operation did not actually reach the TBAR spot it also looks like there was a beach nourishment there in 1973.

The money spot is only about 4 ft above the water level in Feb 1980, the river reached that spot frequently including 1978. (The 72/74 flood event only is bogus)

The money was found in the top fresh debris layer.

 

Conclusion..

The money most likely entered the River in Spring 79 (poss 78) and was deposited on TBAR within a very short period of time.

 

This is what I have been saying all along.... case is solved.

 

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