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QuoteEven if Sheridan lied to the FBI about being in Nepal when the skyjack took place, that's not nearly enough to convict him of air piracy. The statute of limitations has run out on lying to the FBI. How could they put him on the plane and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt?
If he was charged I'd offer to represent him free. But he thinks I a CIA or FBI so he'd probably reject it.
I still can't square his character with being a violence threàtning thief. He seems like a principled man who genuinely abhors violence.
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I doubt you would be allowed to represent Petey in
Court, given your background here.
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Blevins wrote
If his alibi was 100% solid then why a second interview and insistence on a DNA sample?
I totally agree that Peterson "was not the type", but that is flawed thinking when applied to criminal cases. I've seen sooooo many guilty defendants who were "not the type".
If I were his defense counsel I'd not have him testify. They just do not have enough evidence to convict him. Burden of proof is on the govt. Standard of proof for conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Georger, the court would not disqualify me. I'm not a potential witness and my speculation about Peterson on the forum isn't evidence of anything. If lawyers who thought their clients might be guilty had to be disqualified there would be a massive shortage of defense counsel.
I don't think Peterson is guilty. I haven't yet seen ANY evidence that proves guilt. He IS however one hell of a well qualified candidate and remains so.
Sailshaw: you've mentioned many times that Peterson quizzed you about the 727 air stair. Can you shed some light in how he approached the subject and how deep he dug? I know he saw something in Aviation Week, but I'd like more info about the conversation he had. Was this info given to the FBI when they interviewed you?
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QuoteHe [Sheridan] has been questioned by the FBI and undoubtably had his alibi checked
If his alibi was 100% solid then why a second interview and insistence on a DNA sample?
I totally agree that Peterson "was not the type", but that is flawed thinking when applied to criminal cases. I've seen sooooo many guilty defendants who were "not the type".
If I were his defense counsel I'd not have him testify. They just do not have enough evidence to convict him. Burden of proof is on the govt. Standard of proof for conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Georger, the court would not disqualify me. I'm not a potential witness and my speculation about Peterson on the forum isn't evidence of anything. If lawyers who thought their clients might be guilty had to be disqualified there would be a massive shortage of defense counsel.
I don't think Peterson is guilty. I haven't yet seen ANY evidence that proves guilt. He IS however one hell of a well qualified candidate and remains so.
Sailshaw: you've mentioned many times that Peterson quizzed you about the 727 air stair. Can you shed some light in how he approached the subject and how deep he dug? I know he saw something in Aviation Week, but I'd like more info about the conversation he had. Was this info given to the FBI when they interviewed you?
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Gorger: Thanks for the support and your question was:
"ps: One thing I meant to ask, for my own interest:
Has Sheridan ever held a pilot's license and if so what
type and what years?
Thanks & Good luck. "
I would like to say that when I talked with Sheridan for a month and this was 10 years before the DB Caper, he had not talked about a Pilot's license and I expect he had no extra money to pursue getting one in the early days. He had no money when at my place but had just taken a job at the Worlds Fair as the Bubbleator operator, dressed in a space suit. He did go on after that to work at Boeing and in the Kirkland School system. He could have taken training to fly then, but I don't think he had when I knew him.
Bob Sailshaw 73's
[email protected]
"ps: One thing I meant to ask, for my own interest:
Has Sheridan ever held a pilot's license and if so what
type and what years?
Thanks & Good luck. "
I would like to say that when I talked with Sheridan for a month and this was 10 years before the DB Caper, he had not talked about a Pilot's license and I expect he had no extra money to pursue getting one in the early days. He had no money when at my place but had just taken a job at the Worlds Fair as the Bubbleator operator, dressed in a space suit. He did go on after that to work at Boeing and in the Kirkland School system. He could have taken training to fly then, but I don't think he had when I knew him.
Bob Sailshaw 73's
[email protected]
Robert99 37
QuoteHow many times to I have to tell you - there will BE NO MORE DNA TESTING! IOTA! NONE!
If you really think the FBI is going to do DNA on your say so?CALL THEM! I know what they will TELL you. You know how TO PICK UP THE PHONE!
TELL them WHO you are and WHY you think YOUR subject is COOPER! Bruce nor Galen cannot manipulate or get the FBI to do ANYTHING at this point - NOTHING!
IF you THINK you have MORE than just an idea and you have a 20 dollar bill someone gave you with the right serial numbers, THEN and ONLY then will they DO ANYTHING!
NOT ONE soul on this thread ACTUALLY TALKS to the FBI! NOT one! They may have in the past but NOT NOW!
Jo, Your pronouncements about the case being closed and what the FBI is going to do and not going to do are a bit overblown.
Just come back down to earth and calm down since you actually don't have the slightest idea of what is going on.
Robert99
Robert99 37
QuoteHey maybe a giraffe saw Cooper jump....
Excellent! Maybe Felix didn't jump at all and just slid down the giraffe's neck and back.
georger 197
QuoteBlevins wrote
QuoteHe [Sheridan] has been questioned by the FBI and undoubtably had his alibi checked
If his alibi was 100% solid then why a second interview and insistence on a DNA sample?
I totally agree that Peterson "was not the type", but that is flawed thinking when applied to criminal cases. I've seen sooooo many guilty defendants who were "not the type".
If I were his defense counsel I'd not have him testify. They just do not have enough evidence to convict him. Burden of proof is on the govt. Standard of proof for conviction is "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Georger, the court would not disqualify me. I'm not a potential witness and my speculation about Peterson on the forum isn't evidence of anything. If lawyers who thought their clients might be guilty had to be disqualified there would be a massive shortage of defense counsel.
I don't think Peterson is guilty. I haven't yet seen ANY evidence that proves guilt. He IS however one hell of a well qualified candidate and remains so.
Sailshaw: you've mentioned many times that Peterson quizzed you about the 727 air stair. Can you shed some light in how he approached the subject and how deep he dug? I know he saw something in Aviation Week, but I'd like more info about the conversation he had. Was this info given to the FBI when they interviewed you?
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Funny: if I were the prosecutor I definitely would
challenge you, on multiple grounds, one of 'personal
investment' in the whole Cooper case, and two of
Sheridan in particular ... I might get the ruling but I
would issue the challenge... perhaps for any appeal!
I'm sure I could come up with more grounds... ... something to do with radios?
georger 197
Contrived? At least I'm not gullible...
The issue is objectivity...
In your previous posts you have mentioned turning
things over to people you evidently found (and know?)
at Carnegie Mellon University. Maybe you can find
somebody there to work with you.
Keep us posted on your Newsvine/Carnegie-Mellon
association and progress.
georger 197
QuoteGorger: Thanks for the support and your question was:
"ps: One thing I meant to ask, for my own interest:
Has Sheridan ever held a pilot's license and if so what
type and what years?
Thanks & Good luck. "
I would like to say that when I talked with Sheridan for a month and this was 10 years before the DB Caper, he had not talked about a Pilot's license and I expect he had no extra money to pursue getting one in the early days. He had no money when at my place but had just taken a job at the Worlds Fair as the Bubbleator operator, dressed in a space suit. He did go on after that to work at Boeing and in the Kirkland School system. He could have taken training to fly then, but I don't think he had when I knew him.
Bob Sailshaw 73's
[email protected]
If you come up with something later on a pilot license
let us know.
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Georger wrote
Personal interest in the crime or even obsession is not valid grounds for disqualifying chosen counsel as long as there is not a conflict of interest. If counsel were writing a book or involved in some enterprise that might profit from a certain outcome in the case there might be a conflict. In that instance a judge, after an inquiry out of the view of the jury, could disqualify the lawyer.
Prosecutors and judges are very careful not to interefere with a defendant's choice of counsel as it could get a conviction overturned on appeal. It's a 6th Amendment constitutional issue.
(from Findlaw)
If the court is appointing and paying for counsel they get some choice e.g. they wouldnt appoint a rookie to defend a death penalty case. Generally however, if a lawyer is a bar member in good standing, a defendant can retain whoever he wants. A lawyer cannot normally represent a client in a case where he knows he will be a testifying witness. State bar ethics rules prohibit it.
Actually Sheridan would have a hard time finding a more zealous advocate for him. And the price is sure right.
He'd probably, however, end up with a federal public defender. They are usually very good defense lawyers and have more experience than just about any private lawyers because they are in court defending tough cases nearly every day.
Now on the radio part, I plead guilty as charged to obession and irrationality. My DBC CB radio test jumps will take place this spring. Stay tuned. QSL good buddy?
Georger never brags about it but he is an accompished ham radio hobbyist as is Snow and many here such as Guru, Sluggo, myself and others. I am the only one, however, who pines for a Norjack radio connection.
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QuoteFunny: if I were the prosecutor I definitely would
challenge you, on multiple grounds, one of 'personal
investment' in the whole Cooper case, and two of
Sheridan in particular ... I might get the ruling but I
would issue the challenge... perhaps for any appeal!
I'm sure I could come up with more grounds...
... something to do with radios?
Personal interest in the crime or even obsession is not valid grounds for disqualifying chosen counsel as long as there is not a conflict of interest. If counsel were writing a book or involved in some enterprise that might profit from a certain outcome in the case there might be a conflict. In that instance a judge, after an inquiry out of the view of the jury, could disqualify the lawyer.
Prosecutors and judges are very careful not to interefere with a defendant's choice of counsel as it could get a conviction overturned on appeal. It's a 6th Amendment constitutional issue.
(from Findlaw)
QuoteThe Sixth Amendment has also been held to protect absolutely the right of a defendant to retain counsel of his choice and to be represented in the fullest measure by the person of his choice. Thus, in Chandler v. Fretag, 218 when a defendant appearing to plead guilty on a house- breaking charge was orally advised for the first time that, because of three prior convictions for felonies, he would be tried also as an habitual criminal and if convicted would be sentenced to life imprisonment, the court's denial of his request for a continuance in order to consult an attorney was a violation of his Fourteenth Amendment due process rights. ''Regardless of whether petitioner would have been entitled to the appointment of counsel, his right to be heard through his own counsel was unqualified
If the court is appointing and paying for counsel they get some choice e.g. they wouldnt appoint a rookie to defend a death penalty case. Generally however, if a lawyer is a bar member in good standing, a defendant can retain whoever he wants. A lawyer cannot normally represent a client in a case where he knows he will be a testifying witness. State bar ethics rules prohibit it.
Actually Sheridan would have a hard time finding a more zealous advocate for him. And the price is sure right.
He'd probably, however, end up with a federal public defender. They are usually very good defense lawyers and have more experience than just about any private lawyers because they are in court defending tough cases nearly every day.
Now on the radio part, I plead guilty as charged to obession and irrationality. My DBC CB radio test jumps will take place this spring. Stay tuned. QSL good buddy?
Georger never brags about it but he is an accompished ham radio hobbyist as is Snow and many here such as Guru, Sluggo, myself and others. I am the only one, however, who pines for a Norjack radio connection.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/frances-hendrickson-found_n_2576590.html?ncid=wsc-huffpost-cards-headline
Maybe someday we will be reading a similar story about DB Cooper.
Hope not. I want him to have survived.
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Maybe someday we will be reading a similar story about DB Cooper.
Hope not. I want him to have survived.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Robert99 37
QuotePersonal interest in the crime or even obsession is not valid grounds for disqualifying chosen counsel. Prosecutors and judges are very careful not to interefere with a defendant's choice of counsel as it could get a conviction overturned on appeal.
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An excellent illustrationof the above happened just yesterday in CA in the matter of LILO. She wanted a NY lawyer, with no CA connections, to represent her in her ongoing saga. The NY lawyer needed to work under the supervision of a CA lawyer. So he joined forces with a CA lawyer that he apparently knew who had not been active for the last 17 years. The lapsed CA lawyer got her license reactivated, the judge approved the arrangement, and the trial will go on.
Robert99
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Quotehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/frances-hendrickson-found_n_2576590.html?ncid=wsc-huffpost-cards-headline
Maybe someday we will be reading a similar story about DB Cooper.
Hope not. I want him to have survived.
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Not to sound callous in anyway whatsoever but I am wondering how long it will be before they find the remains of the wingsuiter up here on Mt Si when the snow melts in a few months
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This area has a LOT of people who hike and recreate so I doubt it will be long after it warms up.
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Pretty amazing that he wasnt found with all that search effort and exit location info. It must be rugged territory.
I wonder what went wrong? Edge strike? I think if he had anything deployed he would have been spotted.
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I wonder what went wrong? Edge strike? I think if he had anything deployed he would have been spotted.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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We are still playing nice on dropzone. Keep up the good work people.
Who is the new moderator?
I am sure Q told him: "ignore 377s pestering for a return of Snowmman".
But no harm in trying.
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Who is the new moderator?
I am sure Q told him: "ignore 377s pestering for a return of Snowmman".
But no harm in trying.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Amazon 7
QuotePretty amazing that he wasnt found with all that search effort and exit location info. It must be rugged territory.
I wonder what went wrong? Edge strike? I think if he had anything deployed he would have been spotted.
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It is rugged indeed. If he did get to close to all those hard bits that the glacier left... a strike would certainly end badly. Reference the tumble that Jeb took in SA when he struck his legs. Doing a similar strike or anything like an arm or upper body... instant out of control. Jeb was lucky he had air on the other side of that ledge.. in his instance. I am thinking one strike probably led to a tumble into more hard bits.
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Yup Amazon. I always cringe when I watch those maniacs on YouTube skimming granite. If you brush rock with one side of your body it would seem to me that it's gonna pull you right into it with the differential drag.
I was obsessed with chutes as a kid. When I was about 7 years old I made a parachute out of a bedsheet with clothesline for suspension lines and a harness made out of rope.
I ran down a sloping garage roof inflating it behind me and lept off. I survived with no serious damage.
Am I a BASE jumper? Or just an idiot who carrried a childhood obesssion into adulthood?
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Amazon 7
QuoteYup Amazon. I always cringe when I watch those maniacs on YouTube skimming granite. If you brush rock with one side of your body it would seem to me that it's gonna pull you right into it with the differential drag.
I was obsessed with chutes as a kid. When I was about 7 years old I made a parachute out of a bedsheet with clothesline for suspension lines and a harness made out of rope.
I ran down a sloping garage roof inflating it behind me and lept off. I survived with no serious damage.
Am I a BASE jumper? Or just an idiot who carrried a childhood obesssion into adulthood?
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I love watching that stuff.. but since wingsuits are out for me.... I will pass on going that fast that close to all those hard bits.
I just guess I am allergic to pain.. in my old age.
Since I only have dial-up you will have to explain what is on U-Tube for me. If necessary do it in a PM. if you do NOT want to waste band time in the thread to explain what you are talking about!
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Jo, Your pronouncements about the case being closed and what the FBI is going to do and not going to do are a bit overblown.
Just come back down to earth and calm down since you actually don't have the slightest idea of what is going on.
Robert99
NOT over BLOWN at all! All of you guys who make claims the FBI should do this or that - needs to ACTUALLY talk to the FBI! I am more calm than I have been in a LONG LONG time, because I know more than those who toot their horn in the thread.
Especially U Robert99! Especially U. Pick UP the DAMN PHONE!
Present ALL of the subjects you wish - just be sure you have one of the 20's or some other evidence that WILL PUT your subject on the PLANE!
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QuoteQuote
Jo, Your pronouncements about the case being closed and what the FBI is going to do and not going to do are a bit overblown.
Just come back down to earth and calm down since you actually don't have the slightest idea of what is going on.
Robert99
NOT over BLOWN at all! All of you guys who make claims the FBI should do this or that - needs to ACTUALLY talk to the FBI! I am more calm than I have been in a LONG LONG time, because I know more than those who toot their horn in the thread.
Especially U Robert99! Especially U. Pick UP the DAMN PHONE!
Present ALL of the subjects you wish - just be sure you have one of the 20's or some other evidence that WILL PUT your subject on the PLANE!
Jo, If you bothered reading this thread, you would know that I don't think any viable suspect has been named here. In fact, I doubt very much if anyone has the slightest idea who Cooper was. And that includes you, Blevins, Sailshaw, Marla, and everyone else.
Robert99
If any of you have a subject to present to the FBI - you will have to do your own research and hire your own investigators.
Has anyone looked at the costs of this investigation. DNA and prints to compare to WHAT? Evidence that has been tainted and evidence the FBI does NOT even know belonged to the Skyjacker.
The only way anyone is going to influence the FBI to continue the investigation on anyone subject is to provide the FBI with physical EVIDENCE. Evidence that in all probablility does NOT exist unless Cooper placed it in a safe place. Like a safety deposit box or some other hiding place.
Problem is - when it is found it is very deteriotated and the finder does NOT even know what they have found. Who pays attention to an old fight ticket and parking stub along with some yucky old ragged 20's...they take the 20's to a bank which replaces them with new bills and the bank doesn't check the bills. The rest is just junk that is tossed in the trash!
An old safe deposit box is closed, the bank is required to make copies of the items. Cash is just deposited into an account and then they run an ad. After so many yrs - they dispose of the items.
IF Weber opened a safe deposit box under the name of John Collins - how would one acquire the items if they could not prove they were the widow of John Collins. Just one example of evidence forever lost!
Not saying this is what happened only using it as an example.
Has anyone looked at the costs of this investigation. DNA and prints to compare to WHAT? Evidence that has been tainted and evidence the FBI does NOT even know belonged to the Skyjacker.
The only way anyone is going to influence the FBI to continue the investigation on anyone subject is to provide the FBI with physical EVIDENCE. Evidence that in all probablility does NOT exist unless Cooper placed it in a safe place. Like a safety deposit box or some other hiding place.
Problem is - when it is found it is very deteriotated and the finder does NOT even know what they have found. Who pays attention to an old fight ticket and parking stub along with some yucky old ragged 20's...they take the 20's to a bank which replaces them with new bills and the bank doesn't check the bills. The rest is just junk that is tossed in the trash!
An old safe deposit box is closed, the bank is required to make copies of the items. Cash is just deposited into an account and then they run an ad. After so many yrs - they dispose of the items.
IF Weber opened a safe deposit box under the name of John Collins - how would one acquire the items if they could not prove they were the widow of John Collins. Just one example of evidence forever lost!
Not saying this is what happened only using it as an example.
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