Robert99 37 #17776 June 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDr Hawkins has published studies about worm holes in time... That explains those odd perforations in the Tena Bar money. 377 Does anyone have a picture or other description of the perforations or other marks that were on the Tena Bar money? RobertQuote There are lot of Tena Bar money photos posted way back on he forum. Look at Snowmman's posts. Check this too: http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS351US351&q=db+cooper+money&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=tMsOTKXxDoPWNuCJ3esM&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDAQsAQwAw 377 377, thanks for the information. So let me see if I can get away with making a wild-eyed guess about this. Anyone needing proof that will stand up at the Supreme Court need not read further. Cooper did a belly landing on top of the money bag at about 180 MPH in a gravel pit (or at least an area that had small gravel) and the money next to the ground was compressed enough by the gravel so that it was damaged. Then for the next several years, the money stayed relatively protected from the elements in the bag and eventually found it way outside. Upon exposure to the elements, the parts of the bills that were damaged disappeared faster than the undamaged parts of the bills. That is, the most damaged parts of the bills would be the larger holes. Of course, some of the bill would probably not be damaged in the first place. Operating against the above idea is my own belief that the money didn't come from more than a few hundred feet down stream and probably not more than a couple of miles upstream at the absolute most. And that NW Lower River Road, which is built on top of a levee, is a definite obstacle to any land or water movement of the money from the east. Are there any gravel pits or areas at Tena Bar? Robert Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #17777 June 9, 2010 QuoteIf her claim was that she heard the conversations in Sacramento would that change any assumptions? Spokane, WA? If so why? My initial post and POINT was about the ambiguity in HER own telling that she could not recall if she monitored anything while 305 was on the ground. That is ALL. I offered the MOST (biggest margin) conservative estimates (34 foot tail height) and referenced every friggin step in the analysis. Much, MUCH, MUUUCCCHH more than the average person offers on this forum. I even went so far (foolishly) to offer validation by any un-biased person willing to complete a cross check. Instead of correcting my math or posting a different solution, this entire subject released a frothy stool in the bed with proclamations of reflectivity and scintillation that 377 would verify. He did just that and uses 1.2/square rather than the 1.5, I initially posted. So the initial distance calculated is actually of a greater amount.... NOT lesser. Making the monitoring of ground comms even LESS probable. But I'm open to any NEW (assumes true) information like: they had a 100 foot tower for their UNICOM. But until I have that information, I'm not going to just dismiss the subject and go back to spinning the prop on my beanie. For Pete's sake georger. Why do you have such Diamond Cutting Fanboi Manwood for this subject? It seems out of character for your usual logical analysis. I'm surrendering to the battle of wills, you win. Remember, if it turns out they had a 300 foot mast at Shady Acres it won't matter since you were willing to accept a 6 foot antenna as capable of receiving 34 foot transmissions from SEATAC. Im just waiting for more facts. Its not a tussle of wills, on my part. Short of the report being a fabrication I tend to think she and they were listening to something; but what. It may not have been 305 at all. We may never get more facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #17778 June 9, 2010 against the above idea is my own belief that the money didn't come from more than a few hundred feet down stream and probably not more than a couple of miles upstream at the absolute most. And that NW Lower River Road, which is built on top of a levee, is a definite obstacle to any land or water movement of the money from the east. Are there any gravel pits or areas at Tena Bar? Robert There is the Fazio sand-gravel? operation immediately behind Tina Bar. Not sure the date it started, but I do know dates specific parts of the operation were opened/began which concerning specific product production - The money has been tested twice for any mineral (or elemental) content which would link to a specific geological area or site ... so far the only association found is rounded nonsharp sand types associated with water emersion in the Columbia silts in general ... Nothing linking this money to the Fazio sand operation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #17779 June 9, 2010 . Quote Are there any gravel pits or areas at Tena Bar? Rober I have an old map of the area that shows all the gravel pits at the time of the jump. Remember that when Duane and I turned and went North he said that if we stayed on that road we would end up at a gravel pit and Battleground lake. He also mention the other gravel pits not far from the Scholls Airport and without looking at that old map there are several others. There was one at Bonneville . WA abounded in those old gravel pits, but I had no idea what significance they might be, but these are the ones he mentioned. He also knew where all the towers, air strips and cemeteries where...the power lines and rail lines and the pipelines and the Hat. If one knew the location fo the gravel pits - what occupations in that from 1945 to 1968 used those gravel pits. Was the gravel used for cement, roads, construction of air strips, I have not got a clue. Just trying to tie up his knowledge of the area and didn't look at a map - when and why. He had to have been in the area for a period of time to be able to navigate and point out things without a map. Seems like the FBI could have at least have pinned that down for me with old SS records. It is a simple search for the FBI but a legal and costly one for a widow to pursue...I know how much/what yrs, but not where. I have no record of yrs under other aliases.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #17780 June 9, 2010 Quote The money has been tested twice for any mineral (or elemental) content which would link to a specific geological area or site ... so far the only association found is rounded nonsharp sand types associated with water emersion in the Columbia silts in general ... Georger: Did they test it for other locations such as around The Dalles or Wa.Indian reservation or the Hood River area. Duane claimed to know someone who lived down that road which went to Mt Hood and that general area. He also pointed out an area below Bonneville - Mattney creek area. He disappeared for over 5 hours that morning when he left The Dalles and returned soiled. He kept an old work Dickey coveralls in the trunk encase of car problems or a flat tire.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #17781 June 9, 2010 377. Shocking airframe hours is quite low less than 1900. Engine HOURS 335.Easy to checkout though. They just posted it on eBay. Go to eBay aircraft. Look for 1978 piper thomahawk. It is located in Ontario Oregon. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 21 #17782 June 9, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Piper-Tomahawk-Airplane-PA-38-112-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2ead8d338fQQitemZ200480207759QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft hell of a deal if it goes for that price Jerry, engine has LOTS of hours remaining to OH, but eBay is a crazy place full of irrational purchasers. It might get bid up. Hope you get it! Would you pretty it up or just fly the hell out of it as is? Now if it just had a bigger door that you could remove...3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #17783 June 9, 2010 Quote Marianne says that she knew about the hijacking while she was riding the school bus home. That would have been about 2:30 pm. I'll double-check with M. and my notes. Bruce, how did you link up wth Marianne and become aware of her story? Quote Notes, Marianne Scott Lincoln, First Meetings, June 8, 2010 I have known Marianne for about 3-4 years, ever since I became a newspaper reporter. When I met her, she was a long-time volunteer assistant to the long-time State Senator Marilyn Rasmussen. Further, Marianne was the secretary-treasurer for the Democratic Party in the 2nd Legislative District in Washington state, which I cover. This time last year, Marianne launched her own political career and successfully ran for the school board in the Bethel School District, which I cover heavily. In fact, in 2009, I wrote 56 stories on the BSD. During her campaign, the issue of residency came up, for she was using her family's old address at Shady Acres, which is now owned by a sibling and Marianne had been storing stuff there as she sorted out her divorce and personal relocation. As a result, Shady Acres, the Scott residence, who lives there and for how long, became part of the public commentary in the BSD Board contest. In the midst of all of the hullabaloo, I sat down with Marianne for an in-depth interview on her education platform. We talked for at least an hour in the Dem’s local office and in the course of events she told me the story of her father's death as he was descending into a private airport in Lacey, WA. As I remember it, she mentioned that her father was named William Scott, and I responded with a "you've-got-to-be-kidding" type of thing and I told her about the other pilot named William Scott that I was researching - our Scotty. That introduced the topic of DB Cooper. By now, other Democratic Party folks had joined us and some didn't know the story of DB Cooper, so I launched into my spiel. When I mentioned that Cooper asked for $200,000 in ransom, Marianne quickly interjected: "No he didn't." I was taken back and unsure exactly what Marianne was talking about, so we switched gears and started talking about Marianne's remembrances of the skyjacking, which were lengthy. I later followed up by phone and had a second DB Cooper interview with her. As for when she started listening to the transmissions and for how long, I can’t find my file on her, which is very frustrating, plus my electronic files are lost to me for the moment - actually two days now – as Kaspersky and other computer glitches do their thing. I have not been able to reach Marianne in the past couple of days due to the above, and my schedule, but I will clarify the prevailing issues with her at my first opportunity. ************************** Along these lines, I had a conversation with a member of the Graham (WA) Land Use Advisory Commission tonight, and again the topic of DB Cooper came up serendipitously, and he mentioned - out of the blue - that his "elders" discussion group at church has a member who has told the group that he listened to the DBC tranmissions on Ham radio. I'll be following up on that lead, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #17784 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuote Marianne says that she knew about the hijacking while she was riding the school bus home. That would have been about 2:30 pm. I'll double-check with M. and my notes. Bruce, how did you link up wth Marianne and become aware of her story? Quote Notes, Marianne Scott Lincoln, First Meetings, June 8, 2010 I have known Marianne for about 3-4 years, ever since I became a newspaper reporter. When I met her, she was a long-time volunteer assistant to the long-time State Senator Marilyn Rasmussen. Further, Marianne was the secretary-treasurer for the Democratic Party in the 2nd Legislative District in Washington state, which I cover. This time last year, Marianne launched her own political career and successfully ran for the school board in the Bethel School District, which I cover heavily. In fact, in 2009, I wrote 56 stories on the BSD. During her campaign, the issue of residency came up, for she was using her family's old address at Shady Acres, which is now owned by a sibling and Marianne had been storing stuff there as she sorted out her divorce and personal relocation. As a result, Shady Acres, the Scott residence, who lives there and for how long, became part of the public commentary in the BSD Board contest. In the midst of all of the hullabaloo, I sat down with Marianne for an in-depth interview on her education platform. We talked for at least an hour in the Dem’s local office and in the course of events she told me the story of her father's death as he was descending into a private airport in Lacey, WA. As I remember it, she mentioned that her father was named William Scott, and I responded with a "you've-got-to-be-kidding" type of thing and I told her about the other pilot named William Scott that I was researching - our Scotty. That introduced the topic of DB Cooper. By now, other Democratic Party folks had joined us and some didn't know the story of DB Cooper, so I launched into my spiel. When I mentioned that Cooper asked for $200,000 in ransom, Marianne quickly interjected: "No he didn't." I was taken back and unsure exactly what Marianne was talking about, so we switched gears and started talking about Marianne's remembrances of the skyjacking, which were lengthy. I later followed up by phone and had a second DB Cooper interview with her. As for when she started listening to the transmissions and for how long, I can’t find my file on her, which is very frustrating, plus my electronic files are lost to me for the moment - actually two days now – as Kaspersky and other computer glitches do their thing. I have not been able to reach Marianne in the past couple of days due to the above, and my schedule, but I will clarify the prevailing issues with her at my first opportunity. good synopsis, thanks. If you can, ask her about the reception doubts brought up here. Not sure how you smoothe into that without offending her, but hope you can come up with something. Tell her we need corroboration, others that could be interviewed to compared notes, ... how they could hear the plane so far away on a very high frequency which doesnt travel too far! You get the drift... BTW: you have my permission to look into the names I gave you privately, any time its convenient. Dont expect any quick results there - you know the work I already put into that with nothing back to date. Later this month I hope to turn back to that when I can concentrate on it and make a few personal visits with old folks etc. I will keep you informed of any progress - pse do the same. Good luck & thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #17785 June 12, 2010 Jerry Thomas, Like you aren't getting enough input already, I thought I would add some more, way more. That Tomahawk is a fine airframe with tons of support (easy to get parts). Piper very wisely selected premier companies as component suppliers for this purpose built trainer. The prop was manufactured by Sensenich and is still manufactured with the company offering rebuilds for around $1,000. Not bad for such a vital component. Getting a prop AD is bad; getting a prop AD for a defunct product could render the aircraft useless is much worse. Sensenich has a web site worth checking out. The brakes are Parker-Hannifin-Cleveland and readily available from places like Aircraft Spruce and Skygeek on the internet. You will notice plenty of 'conversion kits' being offered so a person can retro fit the Cleveland components ($2,000 plus). Nice to know you already have the system and will probably only need O-rings, hoses, discs (rotors) and pads to keep your plane airworthy. These items range from $6 to $150; close to their automotive counterparts. The Lycoming engine (O-235) has been produced since the Earth cooled. Lycoming is still in business for a very good reason - they are extremely reliable. They also have amassed an impressive database of system reliability from the half century that this power plant has been in use. That is, they can predict with an extremely high degree of accuracy when a component will fail. About TBOs. Time Between Overhaul is the most favored parameter for pilots to misquote (sort of). They aren't trying to do anything wrong, just comparing apples to oranges. There are two times associated with TBOs. Engine operation in hours and time since installation in years. Typically the TBO for an opposed, Lycoming is 2000 hours or 12 years (factory recommendation, Lycoming Service Instruction 1009, page 1, bold face print). So an engine could have 500 hours of operation and have been installed 35 years ago with the owner thinking this is a low time engine. My personal bias would be to budget an overhaul with this type of purchase. The O-235 has an even higher operating TBO of 2400. This was great news for the FBO operating a flight school. He could get another 20% out of the training fleet before having to incur the expense of an overhaul. Here is another counter-intuitive note from the Lycoming Service Instruction 1009, Note 11- If an engine is being used in "frequent" type service and accumulates 40 hours or more per month, and has been so operated consistently since being placed in service, add 200 hours to TBO time. Isn't that strange? Using an engine more adds 200 hours to the service life. There was a saying in the Air Force, "airplanes break on the ground", and that was the truth. Systems that checked good one week were Code 3 the next. That was while sitting quietly in a guarded hangar. Gremlins. This increase in time meant very little to an owner operator doing some VFR, bugsmashing on the way to get a $100 hamburger. Statistics have shown that the average pilot will fly less than 100 hours per year. Take a look at the airframe total times and divide by the number of years since manufacture for validation. So the relevant figure to the owner/pilot may be years since engine overhaul versus the hours. Many will dismiss this as far too conservative and I'm sure they are correct. One could also claim that the rigors of an annual inspection is far too conservative and I'm sure they are correct. As I'm not a mechanical engineer or airframe specialist, I rely on the organizations which are staffed with personnel that hold those qualifications. I've heard too many pilots say "I've been doing (fill in the blank) for years and haven't had a problem yet." Just what sort of problem are they waiting for? Engine failure at night over mountains? By the time these people have a problem they will be in the NTSB files. Check those out for incidents involving Tomahawks. Consider a wholistic view point. If person X was the type to push things when it came to maintenance, was person X also the type to push other things? Flight into IFR, launching without visual check of fuel levels, on and on. These airframes were designed by pretty smart guys. Keep in mind there was a viewpoint that light aircraft would be just like automobiles in terms of utilization. I seriously doubt the average Ercoupe engineer would have imagined that his design would still be in common use in 2010. Consequently, all those plastic and vinyl parts were typically made with an eight to twelve year design life. Here most of these parts are now 30 plus years old and stored under the constant glare of the sun. Nothing wrong with this, in fact I marvel at the longevity of these parts. Just don't be surprised to find these items beginning to fail with some regularity. Have you purchased a POH and shop manual or illustrated parts catalog? A very inexpensive way to familiarize yourself to this airframe and the sub-systems. As you know, the worst place to learn how to fly is in an airplane; same for owning one. Educate yourself on this system as much as you can. I'm assuming you have some affinity for the airframe before the price. These systems were built by the thousands and have a strong representation in General Aviation and therefore the open market. Consider the price of a paint job or top overhaul along with the offering price versus other airframes which may be $10,000 more but have later paint, interiors and 'engine installations'. By now your eyes have glazed and you are praying for the arrival of sweet death versus reading another sentence. I don't blame you. Have fun (I said fun) with this purchase and don't ever feel hurried to make a decision about purchasing something that typically sits on the market for years. Pre-load yourself with knowledge and the most anal retentive, by the book, picky beyond belief SOB A&P that you can find. The rest will fall into place at the right time. You won't need any luck then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sluggo_Monster 0 #17786 June 12, 2010 Farflung… You are wise beyond your years! Since I have no idea how old you are, I don’t know how wise that makes you… I just wanted to say something nice. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #17787 June 12, 2010 QuoteFarflung… You are wise beyond your years! Since I have no idea how old you are, I don’t know how wise that makes you… I just wanted to say something nice. His reads like poetry. A real delight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #17788 June 12, 2010 Geoger. Sorry I haven't posted. I recieved a wierd phone call shortly after my last post from The Baker City police dpt . My Daughter was in the hospital. She was in a comma for two days she just came out today.Now she recognizes me and talks to the doctors and nurses. So if you have called and didn't recieve a answer that is why. If there was questions the rest of you ask I will answer later . I did not make it to ontario Ore.To buy the plane. My Daughter is in the ICU ward At the Baker City Hospital In Baker City Oregon and is doing good. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #17789 June 12, 2010 Hope she makes a full recovery quickly, Jerry.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #17790 June 12, 2010 "Recent information flooding the libraries and the bookselves - our government had no choice, but to make files available. There were many files destroyed and those we will never see...other than what the veterans themselves are publishing." "The government (all depts) never expected technology for the general public to advance so quickly." Just a couple of phrases I mentioned in the past regarding something else, but they are very fitting for my last couple of days. Recent contacts only inforced my belief in the above statements. Resurrecting the dead and getting a statements from two individuals could open another whole can of worms - but I have had my hand in that can before. Will it prove Duane was Cooper? NO, but what it will do is enforce other things Duane told me and that they were NOT lies or tales...therefore why would he lie about Cooper. This can of worms could enforce his knowledge of what was required to make the jump - but, I have to do it one step at a time. Getting statements from these two individuals will re-open old wounds - am I willing to do that? Not sure at this time and not sure how to even go about it. The FBI should do this and not me and if I give them any information they will wait until these 2 individuals have deceased (one is ill and the other is not a good position). At least with this information, if I can verify it - I do have a few answers to the past of one Duane L. Weber aka John C. Collins and heavens only know how many other aliases. This new information on two fronts at least lets me know there are people who have listened to me in the past and that are following what is happening. "A matter of National security". That statement has an echo.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SKYWHUFFO 0 #17791 June 13, 2010 you don't know till you ask for it. At this point these people are not your close friends you see everyday, so who gives a rats behind who it offends. If they want to tell you information they will, if not who cares if it opens up old wounds with them.unless you ask Jo they don't know you want to know a thing, or quiet honestly just plain and simply forgotten memories. If you say time is running out, the eligant term shit or get off the pot comes to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #17792 June 13, 2010 Quoteyou don't know till you ask for it. At this point these people are not your close friends you see everyday, so who gives a rats behind who it offends. If they want to tell you information they will, if not who cares if it opens up old wounds with them.unless you ask Jo they don't know you want to know a thing, or quiet honestly just plain and simply forgotten memories. If you say time is running out, the eligant term shit or get off the pot comes to mind. Hey, good advice and by the way I am wasted for the first time in yrs and yrs. You know that is good advice - just hope you can read this - ain't got much longer and what the hell who it hurts -right. What I need is the information I got with the names which I can't remember right now. Really really very drunk. Hey I type ok drunk - right? In a phone call someone callled me Smart - Like a Fox - well not really - I got that disease called DUMB BLONDE Sydrome. Got more information today - not really very good info - that is why I just killed a bottle of wine this evening. Has nothing to do with Cooper - just me. Well, I guess it does, but not in relation to Cooper unless you think the CIA or FBI wants to kill me off to shut me up. Don't give me no mind tonight - just in a funky mood and it will pass...I hope! The war is not over yet.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #17793 June 14, 2010 Quote"Recent information flooding the libraries and the bookselves - our government had no choice, but to make files available. There were many files destroyed and those we will never see...other than what the veterans themselves are publishing." "The government (all depts) never expected technology for the general public to advance so quickly." Just a couple of phrases I mentioned in the past regarding something else, but they are very fitting for my last couple of days. Recent contacts only inforced my belief in the above statements. Resurrecting the dead and getting a statements from two individuals could open another whole can of worms - but I have had my hand in that can before. Will it prove Duane was Cooper? NO, but what it will do is enforce other things Duane told me and that they were NOT lies or tales...therefore why would he lie about Cooper. This can of worms could enforce his knowledge of what was required to make the jump - but, I have to do it one step at a time. Getting statements from these two individuals will re-open old wounds - am I willing to do that? Not sure at this time and not sure how to even go about it. The FBI should do this and not me and if I give them any information they will wait until these 2 individuals have deceased (one is ill and the other is not a good position). At least with this information, if I can verify it - I do have a few answers to the past of one Duane L. Weber aka John C. Collins and heavens only know how many other aliases. This new information on two fronts at least lets me know there are people who have listened to me in the past and that are following what is happening. "A matter of National security". That statement has an echo. speaking in quatrains always helps build a case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #17794 June 14, 2010 Quote speaking in quatrains always helps build a case? Excuse me Georger - remember I have Dumb Blonde Sydrome - what the Hell does quatrains mean. By the way I was actually very very wasted when I made that last post and you know what "I deserved it" - It felt good, to just let it all out. A quatrain is a stanza of four lines - just what does that have to do with what I said? Now if you put five triangles inside of a square what would you have? Has to be 5, but could be more and has to be odd numbers. The entire square has to be filled with triangles - no blank space.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 21 #17795 June 14, 2010 QuoteHope she makes a full recovery quickly, Jerry. I know we all are pulling for your daughter's recovery Jerry. Keep us posted. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 21 #17796 June 14, 2010 Quote Farflung… You are wise beyond your years! Since I have no idea how old you are, I don’t know how wise that makes you… I just wanted to say something nice. Farflung is da MAN! What a great post. I am pondering... Trying to choose between a C54G, C97G or a C123K. The 97 only has 5600 hours TT and mid time engines and props. The planes are pretty cheap compared to what the USAF paid new. Your recommendation? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #17797 June 14, 2010 Quote Quotespeaking in quatrains always helps build a case? Excuse me Georger - remember I have Dumb Blonde Sydrome - what the Hell does quatrains mean. Nostradumus wrote in quatrains. The meanings of his stanzas totally obscure - could mean anything. Did Duane know Hisler three lakes new when the great green whale rode Pericles over the purple hill near the red mountain on a night when Venus talks with carrots? That is how your case info reads! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 21 #17798 June 14, 2010 I have quatrains: Challenger, Big Boy, Cab Forward and Mikado. All HO scale. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #17799 June 15, 2010 QuoteI have quatrains: Challenger, Big Boy, Cab Forward and Mikado. All HO scale. 377 Here is another one - can Genius Boy Georger figure this one out. Ferrie, Braden, Weber and the Steel Guitar. Happy New Yr, Anywhere USA from Rick and Elaine. Georger - is wearing a wig and fake eyebrows. And changed his name to Braden. This makes sense to no one, but hidden within those words are clues to a sinister past. Whose?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #17800 June 15, 2010 Someone mentioned in the Kennedy episode changed his name to Braden. Maybe you guys chased down the WRONG Braden. Maurice Knudson lived in Berkley, WA and was an inspector for Boeing. How many time did I have to throw Knudson and sound alikes at you guys? I am VERY sick - and it has gotten increasing difficult for me to be on the computer for very long. One hand to type with is difficult.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 Next Page 712 of 2541 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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georger 197 #17777 June 9, 2010 QuoteIf her claim was that she heard the conversations in Sacramento would that change any assumptions? Spokane, WA? If so why? My initial post and POINT was about the ambiguity in HER own telling that she could not recall if she monitored anything while 305 was on the ground. That is ALL. I offered the MOST (biggest margin) conservative estimates (34 foot tail height) and referenced every friggin step in the analysis. Much, MUCH, MUUUCCCHH more than the average person offers on this forum. I even went so far (foolishly) to offer validation by any un-biased person willing to complete a cross check. Instead of correcting my math or posting a different solution, this entire subject released a frothy stool in the bed with proclamations of reflectivity and scintillation that 377 would verify. He did just that and uses 1.2/square rather than the 1.5, I initially posted. So the initial distance calculated is actually of a greater amount.... NOT lesser. Making the monitoring of ground comms even LESS probable. But I'm open to any NEW (assumes true) information like: they had a 100 foot tower for their UNICOM. But until I have that information, I'm not going to just dismiss the subject and go back to spinning the prop on my beanie. For Pete's sake georger. Why do you have such Diamond Cutting Fanboi Manwood for this subject? It seems out of character for your usual logical analysis. I'm surrendering to the battle of wills, you win. Remember, if it turns out they had a 300 foot mast at Shady Acres it won't matter since you were willing to accept a 6 foot antenna as capable of receiving 34 foot transmissions from SEATAC. Im just waiting for more facts. Its not a tussle of wills, on my part. Short of the report being a fabrication I tend to think she and they were listening to something; but what. It may not have been 305 at all. We may never get more facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #17778 June 9, 2010 against the above idea is my own belief that the money didn't come from more than a few hundred feet down stream and probably not more than a couple of miles upstream at the absolute most. And that NW Lower River Road, which is built on top of a levee, is a definite obstacle to any land or water movement of the money from the east. Are there any gravel pits or areas at Tena Bar? Robert There is the Fazio sand-gravel? operation immediately behind Tina Bar. Not sure the date it started, but I do know dates specific parts of the operation were opened/began which concerning specific product production - The money has been tested twice for any mineral (or elemental) content which would link to a specific geological area or site ... so far the only association found is rounded nonsharp sand types associated with water emersion in the Columbia silts in general ... Nothing linking this money to the Fazio sand operation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #17779 June 9, 2010 . Quote Are there any gravel pits or areas at Tena Bar? Rober I have an old map of the area that shows all the gravel pits at the time of the jump. Remember that when Duane and I turned and went North he said that if we stayed on that road we would end up at a gravel pit and Battleground lake. He also mention the other gravel pits not far from the Scholls Airport and without looking at that old map there are several others. There was one at Bonneville . WA abounded in those old gravel pits, but I had no idea what significance they might be, but these are the ones he mentioned. He also knew where all the towers, air strips and cemeteries where...the power lines and rail lines and the pipelines and the Hat. If one knew the location fo the gravel pits - what occupations in that from 1945 to 1968 used those gravel pits. Was the gravel used for cement, roads, construction of air strips, I have not got a clue. Just trying to tie up his knowledge of the area and didn't look at a map - when and why. He had to have been in the area for a period of time to be able to navigate and point out things without a map. Seems like the FBI could have at least have pinned that down for me with old SS records. It is a simple search for the FBI but a legal and costly one for a widow to pursue...I know how much/what yrs, but not where. I have no record of yrs under other aliases.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #17780 June 9, 2010 Quote The money has been tested twice for any mineral (or elemental) content which would link to a specific geological area or site ... so far the only association found is rounded nonsharp sand types associated with water emersion in the Columbia silts in general ... Georger: Did they test it for other locations such as around The Dalles or Wa.Indian reservation or the Hood River area. Duane claimed to know someone who lived down that road which went to Mt Hood and that general area. He also pointed out an area below Bonneville - Mattney creek area. He disappeared for over 5 hours that morning when he left The Dalles and returned soiled. He kept an old work Dickey coveralls in the trunk encase of car problems or a flat tire.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #17781 June 9, 2010 377. Shocking airframe hours is quite low less than 1900. Engine HOURS 335.Easy to checkout though. They just posted it on eBay. Go to eBay aircraft. Look for 1978 piper thomahawk. It is located in Ontario Oregon. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 21 #17782 June 9, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Piper-Tomahawk-Airplane-PA-38-112-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2ead8d338fQQitemZ200480207759QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft hell of a deal if it goes for that price Jerry, engine has LOTS of hours remaining to OH, but eBay is a crazy place full of irrational purchasers. It might get bid up. Hope you get it! Would you pretty it up or just fly the hell out of it as is? Now if it just had a bigger door that you could remove...3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #17783 June 9, 2010 Quote Marianne says that she knew about the hijacking while she was riding the school bus home. That would have been about 2:30 pm. I'll double-check with M. and my notes. Bruce, how did you link up wth Marianne and become aware of her story? Quote Notes, Marianne Scott Lincoln, First Meetings, June 8, 2010 I have known Marianne for about 3-4 years, ever since I became a newspaper reporter. When I met her, she was a long-time volunteer assistant to the long-time State Senator Marilyn Rasmussen. Further, Marianne was the secretary-treasurer for the Democratic Party in the 2nd Legislative District in Washington state, which I cover. This time last year, Marianne launched her own political career and successfully ran for the school board in the Bethel School District, which I cover heavily. In fact, in 2009, I wrote 56 stories on the BSD. During her campaign, the issue of residency came up, for she was using her family's old address at Shady Acres, which is now owned by a sibling and Marianne had been storing stuff there as she sorted out her divorce and personal relocation. As a result, Shady Acres, the Scott residence, who lives there and for how long, became part of the public commentary in the BSD Board contest. In the midst of all of the hullabaloo, I sat down with Marianne for an in-depth interview on her education platform. We talked for at least an hour in the Dem’s local office and in the course of events she told me the story of her father's death as he was descending into a private airport in Lacey, WA. As I remember it, she mentioned that her father was named William Scott, and I responded with a "you've-got-to-be-kidding" type of thing and I told her about the other pilot named William Scott that I was researching - our Scotty. That introduced the topic of DB Cooper. By now, other Democratic Party folks had joined us and some didn't know the story of DB Cooper, so I launched into my spiel. When I mentioned that Cooper asked for $200,000 in ransom, Marianne quickly interjected: "No he didn't." I was taken back and unsure exactly what Marianne was talking about, so we switched gears and started talking about Marianne's remembrances of the skyjacking, which were lengthy. I later followed up by phone and had a second DB Cooper interview with her. As for when she started listening to the transmissions and for how long, I can’t find my file on her, which is very frustrating, plus my electronic files are lost to me for the moment - actually two days now – as Kaspersky and other computer glitches do their thing. I have not been able to reach Marianne in the past couple of days due to the above, and my schedule, but I will clarify the prevailing issues with her at my first opportunity. ************************** Along these lines, I had a conversation with a member of the Graham (WA) Land Use Advisory Commission tonight, and again the topic of DB Cooper came up serendipitously, and he mentioned - out of the blue - that his "elders" discussion group at church has a member who has told the group that he listened to the DBC tranmissions on Ham radio. I'll be following up on that lead, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #17784 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuote Marianne says that she knew about the hijacking while she was riding the school bus home. That would have been about 2:30 pm. I'll double-check with M. and my notes. Bruce, how did you link up wth Marianne and become aware of her story? Quote Notes, Marianne Scott Lincoln, First Meetings, June 8, 2010 I have known Marianne for about 3-4 years, ever since I became a newspaper reporter. When I met her, she was a long-time volunteer assistant to the long-time State Senator Marilyn Rasmussen. Further, Marianne was the secretary-treasurer for the Democratic Party in the 2nd Legislative District in Washington state, which I cover. This time last year, Marianne launched her own political career and successfully ran for the school board in the Bethel School District, which I cover heavily. In fact, in 2009, I wrote 56 stories on the BSD. During her campaign, the issue of residency came up, for she was using her family's old address at Shady Acres, which is now owned by a sibling and Marianne had been storing stuff there as she sorted out her divorce and personal relocation. As a result, Shady Acres, the Scott residence, who lives there and for how long, became part of the public commentary in the BSD Board contest. In the midst of all of the hullabaloo, I sat down with Marianne for an in-depth interview on her education platform. We talked for at least an hour in the Dem’s local office and in the course of events she told me the story of her father's death as he was descending into a private airport in Lacey, WA. As I remember it, she mentioned that her father was named William Scott, and I responded with a "you've-got-to-be-kidding" type of thing and I told her about the other pilot named William Scott that I was researching - our Scotty. That introduced the topic of DB Cooper. By now, other Democratic Party folks had joined us and some didn't know the story of DB Cooper, so I launched into my spiel. When I mentioned that Cooper asked for $200,000 in ransom, Marianne quickly interjected: "No he didn't." I was taken back and unsure exactly what Marianne was talking about, so we switched gears and started talking about Marianne's remembrances of the skyjacking, which were lengthy. I later followed up by phone and had a second DB Cooper interview with her. As for when she started listening to the transmissions and for how long, I can’t find my file on her, which is very frustrating, plus my electronic files are lost to me for the moment - actually two days now – as Kaspersky and other computer glitches do their thing. I have not been able to reach Marianne in the past couple of days due to the above, and my schedule, but I will clarify the prevailing issues with her at my first opportunity. good synopsis, thanks. If you can, ask her about the reception doubts brought up here. Not sure how you smoothe into that without offending her, but hope you can come up with something. Tell her we need corroboration, others that could be interviewed to compared notes, ... how they could hear the plane so far away on a very high frequency which doesnt travel too far! You get the drift... BTW: you have my permission to look into the names I gave you privately, any time its convenient. Dont expect any quick results there - you know the work I already put into that with nothing back to date. Later this month I hope to turn back to that when I can concentrate on it and make a few personal visits with old folks etc. I will keep you informed of any progress - pse do the same. Good luck & thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #17785 June 12, 2010 Jerry Thomas, Like you aren't getting enough input already, I thought I would add some more, way more. That Tomahawk is a fine airframe with tons of support (easy to get parts). Piper very wisely selected premier companies as component suppliers for this purpose built trainer. The prop was manufactured by Sensenich and is still manufactured with the company offering rebuilds for around $1,000. Not bad for such a vital component. Getting a prop AD is bad; getting a prop AD for a defunct product could render the aircraft useless is much worse. Sensenich has a web site worth checking out. The brakes are Parker-Hannifin-Cleveland and readily available from places like Aircraft Spruce and Skygeek on the internet. You will notice plenty of 'conversion kits' being offered so a person can retro fit the Cleveland components ($2,000 plus). Nice to know you already have the system and will probably only need O-rings, hoses, discs (rotors) and pads to keep your plane airworthy. These items range from $6 to $150; close to their automotive counterparts. The Lycoming engine (O-235) has been produced since the Earth cooled. Lycoming is still in business for a very good reason - they are extremely reliable. They also have amassed an impressive database of system reliability from the half century that this power plant has been in use. That is, they can predict with an extremely high degree of accuracy when a component will fail. About TBOs. Time Between Overhaul is the most favored parameter for pilots to misquote (sort of). They aren't trying to do anything wrong, just comparing apples to oranges. There are two times associated with TBOs. Engine operation in hours and time since installation in years. Typically the TBO for an opposed, Lycoming is 2000 hours or 12 years (factory recommendation, Lycoming Service Instruction 1009, page 1, bold face print). So an engine could have 500 hours of operation and have been installed 35 years ago with the owner thinking this is a low time engine. My personal bias would be to budget an overhaul with this type of purchase. The O-235 has an even higher operating TBO of 2400. This was great news for the FBO operating a flight school. He could get another 20% out of the training fleet before having to incur the expense of an overhaul. Here is another counter-intuitive note from the Lycoming Service Instruction 1009, Note 11- If an engine is being used in "frequent" type service and accumulates 40 hours or more per month, and has been so operated consistently since being placed in service, add 200 hours to TBO time. Isn't that strange? Using an engine more adds 200 hours to the service life. There was a saying in the Air Force, "airplanes break on the ground", and that was the truth. Systems that checked good one week were Code 3 the next. That was while sitting quietly in a guarded hangar. Gremlins. This increase in time meant very little to an owner operator doing some VFR, bugsmashing on the way to get a $100 hamburger. Statistics have shown that the average pilot will fly less than 100 hours per year. Take a look at the airframe total times and divide by the number of years since manufacture for validation. So the relevant figure to the owner/pilot may be years since engine overhaul versus the hours. Many will dismiss this as far too conservative and I'm sure they are correct. One could also claim that the rigors of an annual inspection is far too conservative and I'm sure they are correct. As I'm not a mechanical engineer or airframe specialist, I rely on the organizations which are staffed with personnel that hold those qualifications. I've heard too many pilots say "I've been doing (fill in the blank) for years and haven't had a problem yet." Just what sort of problem are they waiting for? Engine failure at night over mountains? By the time these people have a problem they will be in the NTSB files. Check those out for incidents involving Tomahawks. Consider a wholistic view point. If person X was the type to push things when it came to maintenance, was person X also the type to push other things? Flight into IFR, launching without visual check of fuel levels, on and on. These airframes were designed by pretty smart guys. Keep in mind there was a viewpoint that light aircraft would be just like automobiles in terms of utilization. I seriously doubt the average Ercoupe engineer would have imagined that his design would still be in common use in 2010. Consequently, all those plastic and vinyl parts were typically made with an eight to twelve year design life. Here most of these parts are now 30 plus years old and stored under the constant glare of the sun. Nothing wrong with this, in fact I marvel at the longevity of these parts. Just don't be surprised to find these items beginning to fail with some regularity. Have you purchased a POH and shop manual or illustrated parts catalog? A very inexpensive way to familiarize yourself to this airframe and the sub-systems. As you know, the worst place to learn how to fly is in an airplane; same for owning one. Educate yourself on this system as much as you can. I'm assuming you have some affinity for the airframe before the price. These systems were built by the thousands and have a strong representation in General Aviation and therefore the open market. Consider the price of a paint job or top overhaul along with the offering price versus other airframes which may be $10,000 more but have later paint, interiors and 'engine installations'. By now your eyes have glazed and you are praying for the arrival of sweet death versus reading another sentence. I don't blame you. Have fun (I said fun) with this purchase and don't ever feel hurried to make a decision about purchasing something that typically sits on the market for years. Pre-load yourself with knowledge and the most anal retentive, by the book, picky beyond belief SOB A&P that you can find. The rest will fall into place at the right time. You won't need any luck then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo_Monster 0 #17786 June 12, 2010 Farflung… You are wise beyond your years! Since I have no idea how old you are, I don’t know how wise that makes you… I just wanted to say something nice. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #17787 June 12, 2010 QuoteFarflung… You are wise beyond your years! Since I have no idea how old you are, I don’t know how wise that makes you… I just wanted to say something nice. His reads like poetry. A real delight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #17788 June 12, 2010 Geoger. Sorry I haven't posted. I recieved a wierd phone call shortly after my last post from The Baker City police dpt . My Daughter was in the hospital. She was in a comma for two days she just came out today.Now she recognizes me and talks to the doctors and nurses. So if you have called and didn't recieve a answer that is why. If there was questions the rest of you ask I will answer later . I did not make it to ontario Ore.To buy the plane. My Daughter is in the ICU ward At the Baker City Hospital In Baker City Oregon and is doing good. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #17789 June 12, 2010 Hope she makes a full recovery quickly, Jerry.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #17790 June 12, 2010 "Recent information flooding the libraries and the bookselves - our government had no choice, but to make files available. There were many files destroyed and those we will never see...other than what the veterans themselves are publishing." "The government (all depts) never expected technology for the general public to advance so quickly." Just a couple of phrases I mentioned in the past regarding something else, but they are very fitting for my last couple of days. Recent contacts only inforced my belief in the above statements. Resurrecting the dead and getting a statements from two individuals could open another whole can of worms - but I have had my hand in that can before. Will it prove Duane was Cooper? NO, but what it will do is enforce other things Duane told me and that they were NOT lies or tales...therefore why would he lie about Cooper. This can of worms could enforce his knowledge of what was required to make the jump - but, I have to do it one step at a time. Getting statements from these two individuals will re-open old wounds - am I willing to do that? Not sure at this time and not sure how to even go about it. The FBI should do this and not me and if I give them any information they will wait until these 2 individuals have deceased (one is ill and the other is not a good position). At least with this information, if I can verify it - I do have a few answers to the past of one Duane L. Weber aka John C. Collins and heavens only know how many other aliases. This new information on two fronts at least lets me know there are people who have listened to me in the past and that are following what is happening. "A matter of National security". That statement has an echo.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SKYWHUFFO 0 #17791 June 13, 2010 you don't know till you ask for it. At this point these people are not your close friends you see everyday, so who gives a rats behind who it offends. If they want to tell you information they will, if not who cares if it opens up old wounds with them.unless you ask Jo they don't know you want to know a thing, or quiet honestly just plain and simply forgotten memories. If you say time is running out, the eligant term shit or get off the pot comes to mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #17792 June 13, 2010 Quoteyou don't know till you ask for it. At this point these people are not your close friends you see everyday, so who gives a rats behind who it offends. If they want to tell you information they will, if not who cares if it opens up old wounds with them.unless you ask Jo they don't know you want to know a thing, or quiet honestly just plain and simply forgotten memories. If you say time is running out, the eligant term shit or get off the pot comes to mind. Hey, good advice and by the way I am wasted for the first time in yrs and yrs. You know that is good advice - just hope you can read this - ain't got much longer and what the hell who it hurts -right. What I need is the information I got with the names which I can't remember right now. Really really very drunk. Hey I type ok drunk - right? In a phone call someone callled me Smart - Like a Fox - well not really - I got that disease called DUMB BLONDE Sydrome. Got more information today - not really very good info - that is why I just killed a bottle of wine this evening. Has nothing to do with Cooper - just me. Well, I guess it does, but not in relation to Cooper unless you think the CIA or FBI wants to kill me off to shut me up. Don't give me no mind tonight - just in a funky mood and it will pass...I hope! The war is not over yet.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #17793 June 14, 2010 Quote"Recent information flooding the libraries and the bookselves - our government had no choice, but to make files available. There were many files destroyed and those we will never see...other than what the veterans themselves are publishing." "The government (all depts) never expected technology for the general public to advance so quickly." Just a couple of phrases I mentioned in the past regarding something else, but they are very fitting for my last couple of days. Recent contacts only inforced my belief in the above statements. Resurrecting the dead and getting a statements from two individuals could open another whole can of worms - but I have had my hand in that can before. Will it prove Duane was Cooper? NO, but what it will do is enforce other things Duane told me and that they were NOT lies or tales...therefore why would he lie about Cooper. This can of worms could enforce his knowledge of what was required to make the jump - but, I have to do it one step at a time. Getting statements from these two individuals will re-open old wounds - am I willing to do that? Not sure at this time and not sure how to even go about it. The FBI should do this and not me and if I give them any information they will wait until these 2 individuals have deceased (one is ill and the other is not a good position). At least with this information, if I can verify it - I do have a few answers to the past of one Duane L. Weber aka John C. Collins and heavens only know how many other aliases. This new information on two fronts at least lets me know there are people who have listened to me in the past and that are following what is happening. "A matter of National security". That statement has an echo. speaking in quatrains always helps build a case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #17794 June 14, 2010 Quote speaking in quatrains always helps build a case? Excuse me Georger - remember I have Dumb Blonde Sydrome - what the Hell does quatrains mean. By the way I was actually very very wasted when I made that last post and you know what "I deserved it" - It felt good, to just let it all out. A quatrain is a stanza of four lines - just what does that have to do with what I said? Now if you put five triangles inside of a square what would you have? Has to be 5, but could be more and has to be odd numbers. The entire square has to be filled with triangles - no blank space.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 21 #17795 June 14, 2010 QuoteHope she makes a full recovery quickly, Jerry. I know we all are pulling for your daughter's recovery Jerry. Keep us posted. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 21 #17796 June 14, 2010 Quote Farflung… You are wise beyond your years! Since I have no idea how old you are, I don’t know how wise that makes you… I just wanted to say something nice. Farflung is da MAN! What a great post. I am pondering... Trying to choose between a C54G, C97G or a C123K. The 97 only has 5600 hours TT and mid time engines and props. The planes are pretty cheap compared to what the USAF paid new. Your recommendation? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #17797 June 14, 2010 Quote Quotespeaking in quatrains always helps build a case? Excuse me Georger - remember I have Dumb Blonde Sydrome - what the Hell does quatrains mean. Nostradumus wrote in quatrains. The meanings of his stanzas totally obscure - could mean anything. Did Duane know Hisler three lakes new when the great green whale rode Pericles over the purple hill near the red mountain on a night when Venus talks with carrots? That is how your case info reads! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 21 #17798 June 14, 2010 I have quatrains: Challenger, Big Boy, Cab Forward and Mikado. All HO scale. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #17799 June 15, 2010 QuoteI have quatrains: Challenger, Big Boy, Cab Forward and Mikado. All HO scale. 377 Here is another one - can Genius Boy Georger figure this one out. Ferrie, Braden, Weber and the Steel Guitar. Happy New Yr, Anywhere USA from Rick and Elaine. Georger - is wearing a wig and fake eyebrows. And changed his name to Braden. This makes sense to no one, but hidden within those words are clues to a sinister past. Whose?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #17800 June 15, 2010 Someone mentioned in the Kennedy episode changed his name to Braden. Maybe you guys chased down the WRONG Braden. Maurice Knudson lived in Berkley, WA and was an inspector for Boeing. How many time did I have to throw Knudson and sound alikes at you guys? I am VERY sick - and it has gotten increasing difficult for me to be on the computer for very long. One hand to type with is difficult.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
