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Weve been over this a thousand times.Quote
I wonder of Cooper was in SE Asia during the war and was traumatized by what he saw? Wouldn't that be something if both cases had their roots in Viet Nam? It is just speculation though. We (excluding Jo) still have no idea who Cooper was.
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Ckret said too old for VN.
There were lots of "civilian advisors" in Nam and tech reps. They didn't have to be soldier age. Also, since when did what "Ckret said" have more value than an educated guess? I miss him a lot and the forum really I from his absence but he is no closer than we are to knowing who Cooper was, but he may know more than we do about who Cooper wasn't.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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On March 31st 08 Ckret made the post below regarding (his) interpretation of how dna might be applied, or might-should not be applied, to the
Cooper case.
Would anyone care to comment about Ckret's
comments in this matter?
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May 31, 2008, 11:07 AM Post #1922 of 10320 (1541 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007Posts: 522 Re: [peckerhead] Theory: Cooper didn't jump in the deep woods [In reply to] Can't Post
My take on the whole "new suspect" thing is the same as the rest. Nothing links any of these people to the crime other than some stories that can't be proven. Beyond that, our efforts are paying off because people are talking about the case which may bring someone forward that can actually be investigated. And here is the problem with testing these folks against the DNA: The DNA cannot be used as proof that the person is Cooper. The pool of possible donors is too large, it can only be used to exclude. So you have someone that has no link to the crime other than some stories that can't be proved. You then compare their DNA and it comes back as a partial match. This, in reality, is meaningless with regard to solving the crime but could you imagine the mess it would stir. It would cause far more harm in resloving the case than it would ever help. If i just did a random sample of a thousand people, several may match the partial DNA as possible donors. For this reason there are very few people I would test against the DNA we have, there would have to be something more than stories about people who are no longer with us. I do, however, plan to look at the prints. " (Ckret)
Cooper case.
Would anyone care to comment about Ckret's
comments in this matter?
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Ckret JumpsLicenseIn sport : : :
May 31, 2008, 11:07 AM Post #1922 of 10320 (1541 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007Posts: 522 Re: [peckerhead] Theory: Cooper didn't jump in the deep woods [In reply to] Can't Post
My take on the whole "new suspect" thing is the same as the rest. Nothing links any of these people to the crime other than some stories that can't be proven. Beyond that, our efforts are paying off because people are talking about the case which may bring someone forward that can actually be investigated. And here is the problem with testing these folks against the DNA: The DNA cannot be used as proof that the person is Cooper. The pool of possible donors is too large, it can only be used to exclude. So you have someone that has no link to the crime other than some stories that can't be proved. You then compare their DNA and it comes back as a partial match. This, in reality, is meaningless with regard to solving the crime but could you imagine the mess it would stir. It would cause far more harm in resloving the case than it would ever help. If i just did a random sample of a thousand people, several may match the partial DNA as possible donors. For this reason there are very few people I would test against the DNA we have, there would have to be something more than stories about people who are no longer with us. I do, however, plan to look at the prints. " (Ckret)
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Any reactions to the below re- Gasset/Cook. ?
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May 29, 2008, 8:36 PM Post #1885 of 10320 (1537 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007Posts: 522 Re: [n467us] KC-135 aerial refuel boom operator [In reply to] Can't Post
n467us, This is no different than any other person that has been brought forward. Nothing directly connects him to the hijacking. He is dead so anyone can say anything about him and no one can go back to investigate if it is true or not. I offered to compare prints and do DNA testing on the suspect Cook brought forward but he would not provide the suspects complete information to me. We went round and round for months and he always claimed the client/lawyer relationship prevented him from giving me the individuals name. Guess the real problem was a book in the making. (This post was edited by Ckret on May 29, 2008, 8:39 PM)
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Ckret JumpsLicenseIn sport : : :
May 29, 2008, 8:36 PM Post #1885 of 10320 (1537 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007Posts: 522 Re: [n467us] KC-135 aerial refuel boom operator [In reply to] Can't Post
n467us, This is no different than any other person that has been brought forward. Nothing directly connects him to the hijacking. He is dead so anyone can say anything about him and no one can go back to investigate if it is true or not. I offered to compare prints and do DNA testing on the suspect Cook brought forward but he would not provide the suspects complete information to me. We went round and round for months and he always claimed the client/lawyer relationship prevented him from giving me the individuals name. Guess the real problem was a book in the making. (This post was edited by Ckret on May 29, 2008, 8:39 PM)
QuoteNew Info: Most of you know about the Rose Festival Parade in Portland Oregon. Ralph was asked to be in this Parade and he excepted the invitation He will be Riding in a Mini Cooper, It is the 53rd entry in the Parade. It will be aired on channel 8 from Portland Oregon. The choice of Car is very Fitting I Believe. Jerry
I love it.
Jerry, tell us more about Richard McCoy, please. How did you know him? Did you keep in touch after Vietnam?
How did people take his strong religious views? How about his exceptional bravery - near reckless - rescuing ARVN soldiers. What did his peers and superiors think of such actions?
Any idea why his post-jump plans were so poorly formed? Any idea on how he switched from being the Number One candidate for the Utah State Patrol one minute, to abducting law enforcement officers the next to make his getaway from US Marshals?
What a small world. Another Cooper Quirk!
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Also, since when did what "Ckret said" have more value than an educated guess?
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Are you saying Ckret's info was unreliable?
Who's info here would be more reliable than Ckret's
info, in your opinion?
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There were lots of "civilian advisors" in Nam and tech reps. They didn't have to be soldier age.
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For the mostpart weve been talking about 377
when a person might have been trained and served
based on age. Ckret actually offered a theory Cooper
had served at McChord, but I wont go into that since
Ckret posts are now off the table (more Weber Effect).
However, when you and Snow were discussing Vietnam
at length, you forgot to include one basic fact which
relates directly to your comment above - advisors
began going to Vietnam clear back in the
Eisenhower administration, in the 50's, prior to
Dien Bein Phu if you recall. That's 1953-54. So
technically speaking there was a window open
as early as 51-54, Cooper could have been involved
in, IF Cooper qualified in that regard.
So Ive given you a wider window based on actual
history than you (or Snowmman) previously allowed
or discussed. Now all you have to do is put Cooper there.
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Quote15. 1995. He tell me he is DAN COOPER. This makes no sense unless I know who Dan Cooper is.
16. 1996 I find out who Dan Cooper was.
Jo,
Why would Duane give you a death bed confession that meant absolutely nothing to you?
Why wouldn't he have said "I am DB Cooper, the man who hijacked that airliner and parachuted out with the ransom money?"
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Ckret
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Dec 6, 2008, 10:50 AM
Post #5658 of 10340 (1024 views)
Registered: Sep 7, 2007
Posts: 522
Re: [skyjack71] WHY COOPER PICKED PORTLAND, OR. [In reply to] Can't Post
"I fall on the bottom of the intellectual scale here and Night Clerk is doing well. I am having a hard time holding on to the bit and reins. If Carr doesn't do something soon I think Night Clerk
will come thru the gate without waiting for the buzzard..oops I think that is supposed to be spelled differently.
On a serious NOTE. The night clerk wants to go public, but I am the one saying NOT yet...let the FBI do what they have to do. Since Carr made his narrow minded statement about me - this indicates the FBI is NOT searching their records for the registration."
Reply:
I have already posted that I cannot find a registration with John Collins name on it. For the sake of argument let’s say that there was a registration with the name John Collins on it and the clerk says that John Collins looks like the picture of Duane Weber and he believes Duane Weber looks like Cooper. OK, now what? That would be great info to confront Weber with but that is not a possibility.
(This post was edited by Ckret on Dec 6, 2008, 10:56 AM)
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