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Way to go Bruce!!!
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Bruce it seems your time would be better spent in examining the chutes Cooper used and the ones still at the FBI headquarters.Jerry
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QuoteEverything we thought was true about the parachutes is bogus. Earl Cossey lied about everything.
I just spoke with the owner of the two back chutes, Norman George Hayden, and he thoroughly discredits Mr. Cossey. Here is my report:
Breaking News. Cossey has lied Big Time.
I just spoke with Norman Hayden, a very nice guy. He owned the two back chutes that DBC received. Cossey did not own the chutes, had never used them, and he did not give them to the FBI.
"Earl Cossey is pretty much full of beans," said Norman.
So, in essence Earl Cossey has lied about everything associated with the parachutes.
Hayden is not a skydiver, and has never used the chutes. He still has the second one, and he invited me to inspect it with him this week, which I will do.
As far as Hayden knows, the parachutes had not been used when he gave them to the FBI - at least not in the recent past. On November 24, 1971, he was contacted by the NWO ops guy who had gotten the referral to Hayden from someone at SeaTac. Hayden didn't know they were going to Cooper, and just put them in a taxi and they went to Boeing Field. I'm not sure how they got to Sea-Tac from there.
I'm guessing the chutes may have been used in WWII, Korea, or Vietnam, but Hayden never used them. He's not even sure what kind of parachutes they are.
Hayden is a precision aerobatic pilot, not a skydiver, and he bought them because he didn't like the chutes that the aerobatic school issued him for his lessons the prior year.
Both chutes are identical as far as Hayden knows, and both are military rounds. None were rectangular, "stunt" parachutes. Also, neither chute had "D" rings. Hayden doesn't know the size of the parachutes, such as 28-foot or 26-foot or if they were in NB 8 containers, etc.
I'm going to see Hayden in a few days, and take pictures of the second chute, which he has in his shop in Kent, just about 30 miles away. He said he had to hire an attorney to get his second chute back from the FBI and it took years. Plus, the guy he dealt with in the Seattle FBI office was very rude. Plus, the chute was in Washington, DC for quite some time, which is why it took so long to get it back.
So, when I see Norman and the chutes, I'll know more.
The only involvement with Cossey is that he packed the chutes, and his rigging card in still in the second chute. Who owned them before Norman I do not know, but I will when I meet with him.
In addition, Norman said that the second chute was manufactured by a parachute company called "Pioneer," which is the name that Cossey had told me intitially and so many jumped up and down and said was a Paracommander. A whiff of truth in all the fiction....
Ok I'm confused. There were a total of 4 chutes. Two are missing from the plane after Cooper jumps. (One of these is presumably a training chute (inoperable for Cooper's purpose).
That leaves two left on the plane.
One is intact, the other one has the cords cut up.
Are you saying that the only parachute that the FBI has in its possession now is the cut up one?
Plus I'll have to go back and look, so I might be wrong - but for some reason I had the impression that Cossey was not credited (and did not claim) that he provided the chutes, just that he packed them. ??
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Smokin 99 Cossey made 2 of the chutes 6 months prior to the hyjacking.However Levin Emrich from Sky Sports in Renton washington is the one that handed those paticular chutes over to the FBI, one was a dummy chute that Cooper took with him. This is Cosseys conection. Jerry
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QuoteSmokin 99 Cossey made 2 of the chutes 6 months prior to the hyjacking.However Levin Emrich from Sky Sports in Renton washington is the one that handed those paticular chutes over to the FBI, one was a dummy chute that Cooper took with him. This is Cosseys conection. Jerry
Right, but I think the two you are referring to are the chest packs. I think Bruce is referring to the back ones. And if I read correctly, Bruce is saying that Hayden says that Cossey packed those also.
I wonder if the two terms (packed vs provided) have been used so interchangeably that it is universally accepted that Cossey provided all the chutes. Bruce says Cossey lied. So I'm just asking - Did he ever actually say that he provided or was it just always inferred? For some reason I thought that I had read somewhere that Cossey did not actually "provide" the chutes - just packed them.... and maybe told them where to get them from. If I can find my source I'll post it.
But like I said - I could be remembering it wrong. Won't be the first time that's happened on this thread, huh?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Ok I'm confused. There were a total of 4 chutes. Two are missing from the plane after Cooper jumps. (One of these is presumably a training chute (inoperable for Cooper's purpose).
That leaves two left on the plane.
One is intact, the other one has the cords cut up.
Are you saying that the only parachute that the FBI has in its possession now is the cut up one?
Plus I'll have to go back and look, so I might be wrong - but for some reason I had the impression that Cossey was not credited (and did not claim) that he provided the chutes, just that he packed them. ??
That leaves two left on the plane.
One is intact, the other one has the cords cut up.
Are you saying that the only parachute that the FBI has in its possession now is the cut up one?
Plus I'll have to go back and look, so I might be wrong - but for some reason I had the impression that Cossey was not credited (and did not claim) that he provided the chutes, just that he packed them. ??
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Here is what I know. (or think I know):
1. Two chutes were left on plane; one is the cut up reserve, the other is the main chute that apparently is in the possession of its owner, Norman George Hayden.
2. Cossey told me that the chute Cooper used was a 28-foot round stuffed into an NB 6 bag, and that it was Cossey's personal parachute for recreational jumping. Further, Cossey told me that he had modified the rip cord assembly so that it was a "hard pull."
3. Cossey never mentioned Norman Hayden to me.
4. Cossey identified the chute not used by Cooper as a "cotton canvas Paradise sport chute" and he characterized it as a "Cadillac" chute compared to the one Cooper used, a "sage green NB 8," which he called a "broken-down VW."
5. Cossey told me that he had provided them to the FBI.
Smokin 99 I think your right. I do recall one story stating that the other 2 chutes belonged to a female skydiving enthusiast and they were chest packs.She was a member of the same club as Cossey.This I have not confirmed.So it could be just a story. This Info I read from Max Gunthers book . Jerry
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Ok I'm confused. There were a total of 4 chutes. Two are missing from the plane after Cooper jumps. (One of these is presumably a training chute (inoperable for Cooper's purpose).
That leaves two left on the plane.
One is intact, the other one has the cords cut up.
Are you saying that the only parachute that the FBI has in its possession now is the cut up one?
Plus I'll have to go back and look, so I might be wrong - but for some reason I had the impression that Cossey was not credited (and did not claim) that he provided the chutes, just that he packed them. ??
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Here is what I know. (or think I know):
1. Two chutes were left on plane; one is the cut up reserve, the other is the main chute that apparently is in the possession of its owner, Norman George Hayden.
2. Cossey told me that the chute Cooper used was a 28-foot round stuffed into an NB 6 bag, and that it was Cossey's personal parachute for recreational jumping. Further, Cossey told me that he had modified the rip cord assembly so that it was a "hard pull."
3. Cossey never mentioned Norman Hayden to me.
4. Cossey identified the chute not used by Cooper as a "cotton canvas Paradise sport chute" and he characterized it as a "Cadillac" chute compared to the one Cooper used, a "sage green NB 8," which he called a "broken-down VW."
5. Cossey told me that he had provided them to the FBI.
Thanks Bruce. I forgot that you interviewed Cossey. I was thinking that you were just going on media reports and I had remembered reading somewhere that Cossey did pack them but was more of a contact, not an actual provider, on the actual night. That had always had me confused because most news reports listed Cossey as being the main guy and left out Emrich and Hayden
Mea culpa...Since you got it from the horse's mouth, I guess you're right - someone's fibbing.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
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