377 20 #101 October 22, 2009 QuoteRound is sound, or so they said. Rounds will pound as I say from over a hundred "firm arrival" landings under a very porous but affordable C9 cheapo. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marios 0 #102 October 26, 2009 That is exactly how I described the ride to others. Very peaceful. I loved the pendulum effect when turning. I was suprised after the very soft opening, as I was expecting something much larger above my head. After seeing how long the lines were I realised that the PC was not small...it was just farIt was more controllable from what I thought. I would do another one anytime. It is a great way to start your day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky508 0 #103 November 12, 2010 I made a couple of jumps on my jumbo PC last week. Landings were great as usual but it is a jumbo! I've attached a pic of packing it in the POD, and on the DZ. good times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewhilton 1 #104 November 15, 2010 Yesterday, 14th November, at Langar, UK My Mark3 Competition model PC, colour pattern known as "Sir Knight". Noticably more responsive than the Mark 1, even to this novice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky508 0 #105 November 15, 2010 Nice looking PC. Love to see the Red Devil canopy in the air also. I jumped a comp PC once. The lines were soo short I felt like I had an umbrella over my head. I saw stars on opening and it thumped me on landing but inbetween it flew great! HAHA! Cheers, Cael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #106 November 15, 2010 QuoteYesterday, 14th November, at Langar, UK My Mark3 Competition model PC, colour pattern known as "Sir Knight". Noticably more responsive than the Mark 1, even to this novice. One reason it is more responsive it looks like it has been short lined. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 2 #107 November 16, 2010 great memories.. long line PC's were darn good, even for big guys.. got any video ?? :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #108 November 16, 2010 Quotegreat memories.. long line PC's were darn good, even for big guys.. got any video ?? :) They didn't have video when I jumped a PC. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewhilton 1 #109 November 16, 2010 I had to shorten the lines on this PC by a small amount - about 6 inches - as it had been trashed at the links with a razor by someone who thought it wasn't going to be jumped again. Other than that 6 inches, I think it was the factory original length prior to that. Was the 'Competition' model factory made with short lines to help provide the performance that 'Competitors' wanted? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #110 November 16, 2010 Quote Was the 'Competition' model factory made with short lines to help provide the performance that 'Competitors' wanted? I was told a PC would oscillate less if it was short lined. Many accuracy people wanted that for competition. I bought a competition PC a while back. I heard they malfunctioned more, and landed harder than the old mark 1's. I had it modified by shortening the two long turn slots on the sides. I also had some material sewn over the big opening hole in the center back. All this is supposed to help with openings, and hopefully soften the landings. I turned 60 this year. I know I'm not as rough and tough as I once was, but I think I can still jump a PC without getting hurt. My last PC jump I stood it up at a boogie. (I couldn't have done that without my frenchies.) I figured I had to show all the young whipper snappers how it was done..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewhilton 1 #111 November 16, 2010 From the Gary Lewis PC handbook, the Comp PC was shortlined 42" at the factory versus a Mark1. I had a really soft opening on mine - though my last 6 jumps prior to that were on Delta2 Parawings which were quite abrupt stops ; big frontal tuck ; landing quite ok at 185lbs out the door Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #112 November 16, 2010 I read that one reason the competition PC malfunctioned more than a Mark 1, was because of the big hole in the center back. It wouldn't inflate properly. I've got over 300 jumps on a mark 1, but I've never jumped a competition PC. Maybe someone who used to jump one can comment on those openings and landings. I used to stand up my Mark 1 most jumps. That was when I weighed like 140 lbs. and had french jump boots.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #113 November 16, 2010 QuoteI turned 60 this year. I know I'm not as rough and tough as I once was, but I think I can still jump a PC without getting hurt. A friend of mine does it often. He is 63 and still jumps a PC about a dozen times a year. As long as that PC isn't completely bagged out, a good pair of boots and a PLF will keep you from any real damage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #114 November 16, 2010 I am a friend of Beatnik's who just turned 61. I still jump regularly, but gave my PCs to Beatnik to remove the temptation to jump them. Sure, if everything goes perfect an old guy of 61 won't get hurt jumping a PC, but its all about risk management for me. There is just no way that a PC can give you CONSISTENTLY soft landings. A right sized ram air can do that if you fly it conservatively. I LOVE skydiving and want to keep doing it until I am 80. My Triathlon 190 lets me down a lot easier than any PC ever did so that's what I am sticking with. I enjoy turning over the old gear to Beatnik, someone who treasures it, actually restores it and jumps it. I'll always treasure my C9 cheapo, Security Lopo and Pioneer PC jumps, but I have no need to personally relive that history. Hats off to my braver cohorts who tempt fate jumping old gear with old bodies. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #115 November 16, 2010 Quote I am a friend of Beatnik's who just turned 61. I still jump regularly, but gave my PCs to Beatnik to remove the temptation to jump them. Sure, if everything goes perfect an old guy of 61 won't get hurt jumping a PC, but its all about risk management for me. There is just no way that a PC can give you CONSISTENTLY soft landings. A right sized ram air can do that if you fly it conservatively. I LOVE skydiving and want to keep doing it until I am 80. My Triathlon 190 lets me down a lot easier than any PC ever did so that's what I am sticking with. I enjoy turning over the old gear to Beatnik, someone who treasures it, actually restores it and jumps it. I'll always treasure my C9 cheapo, Security Lopo and Pioneer PC jumps, but I have no need to personally relive that history. Hats off to my braver cohorts who tempt fate jumping old gear with old bodies. 377 We should get a big load together to do PC Water jumps into McGregor Lake at Lost Prairie... then you do not have to worry about landing your poor frail old body on Terra Way too firma. Get Beatnik to bring his collection. Nice thing about McGregor Lake is it is crystal clear... very clean... and the top 15 ft is pretty warm in the summer during the boogie at the end of AugustIts very dry then and the gear drys out very quickly... hell it even comes out cleaner and fresher after you give it a chance to wash all that closet stink out of the old gear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #116 November 16, 2010 Hi andrew & steve1, I made my first jump on a Mk I PC ~ Nov '64. A number of years later I short-lined it 48"; that is what you did in this area. A number of years after that I converted it to an exact copy of a Comp PC. After jumping it for a season, I converted it back to a Mk I. Both conversions were a lot of work; but it does rain a lot here in the winter. I first met Gary Lewis in the summer of '66 and we were fairly good friend in those days, although I have not seen him in nearly 35 yrs. We did compete against each other for many years at a lot of meets. I disagree, from my personal experience, that the Comp PC malfunctions at a higher rate than the Mk I. The Mk I is more stable but the Comp puts you right down onto the target in a steeper descent; more like what the accuracy folks are doing today. With the larger holes/steering slots/etc, IMO the Comp does come down a little harder/faster. But having taken 4 ft off of my Mk I, so what. Just my thoughts . . . JerryBaumchen PS) I 'understand' that the ParaCommander Handbook was Gary's Masters thesis when he got his MBA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #117 November 16, 2010 QuoteGet Beatnik to bring his collection. I am afraid I don't have a vehicle big enough to bring all the rigs plus I am still young, dumb and indestructible so I still land them on the ground. Plus some of it is pretty much brand new or brand new like one of the Delta IIs I have. I have access to a twill parachute. That could be good for water landings if it would make it to that point without self destructing first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #118 November 17, 2010 Hi Beatnik, Quote I have access to a twill parachute.. . . without self destructing first. Back when Dan Poynter ( who also is a very curious type of person ) was working for Strong Entr. & they were testing the StyleMaster rig they decided to Strength Test an old 24 ft Twill canopy. It held together. I've taken one that I owned to terminal twice w/o damage. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #119 November 17, 2010 Who do you get to hold your walkers and canes while you swim to shore...... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #120 November 17, 2010 Quote Who do you get to hold your walkers and canes while you swim to shore...... We gots boats baby right there to pick us up.... just check out the Lost Prairie video's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beatnik 2 #121 November 17, 2010 QuoteBack when Dan Poynter ( who also is a very curious type of person ) was working for Strong Entr. & they were testing the StyleMaster rig they decided to Strength Test an old 24 ft Twill canopy. It held together. I should take a look at it closer. But for some reason I have really no desire to jump it, which is strange for me since I will pretty much jump any canopy. Mind you it would be interesting jumping a 62 year old canopy. It would beat my current record by 5 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #122 November 17, 2010 Quote It would beat my current record by 5 years. Well hell I have underwear older than that. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #123 November 17, 2010 Walkers and canes are kind of tough to jump with. The real challenge is when you try jumping with a heart lung machine!..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewhilton 1 #124 November 17, 2010 In my haste to post the pics I forgot to credit Tony Danbury for the photographs I attached. Thanks for all the interesting replies, especially JerryBaumchen's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #125 September 22, 2011 any other recent jumps ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
