b_dog 0 #1 September 3, 2005 Skydiving was something I had wanted to do for a long time, I finally got to do it, it was awesome, and I will surely do it again. However, BASE jumping is something I could never do. I'm sure there are a few skydiving regulars out there who also do BASE jumps. Skydiving involves jumping from a much higher altitude than pretty much any landmark on earth, I'd wager. 3,000 ft cliff vs. 13,000 ft from the airplane. (Yes, there are places on earth much higher than 13k, but places like Everest don't have sheer cliffs IIRC) But it's not the height issue that bothers me. The important distinction with BASE jumping is that whatever you just jumped off of, you see it's structure as you pass by it on your way to the ground. That would completely freak me out. As it is, when I look over the edge at the top of a skycraper, or over the edge of a cliff, I just about get a serious case of vertigo. With straight skydiving, it's just not the same. There's no reference point as you're falling. From doing it the first time I remember that, despite the initial sensation of falling and the rushing wind and all that, it almost seemed as if were were floating, maybe flying, instead of falling. Go figure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StephZ 0 #2 September 3, 2005 QuoteSkydiving involves jumping from a much higher altitude than pretty much any landmark on earth, I'd wager. 3,000 ft cliff vs. 13,000 ft from the airplane. Quote you've obviously never done a hop&pop (which is a low altitude jump - typically around 3.5k - from an aircraft) which is also a requirement for your A license but i'm very happy to hear you enjoyed your first skydive, and wish you the best of luck in all future jumps I am not afraid . . . I was born to do this -Joan of Arc- But what do I know, I'm only 19 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #3 September 3, 2005 BASE jumping is an order of magnatude more dangerous than skydiving. But it can also release a jolt of adrenaline after you jump like nothing else in the world. Oh and if you think that jumping off of a 3000 foot cliff is low, try a 200-300 footer like what's out in Moab. Dude build some experience in skydiving before you start worrying about BASE. People do start sooner, but I had over 700 skydivers before I tried my first BASE jump. Some of the keys to surviving in BASE is knowing your gear and knowing your limits, have good canopy control skills and have a plan (including backup plans) before each jump and stick to that plan (unless you need to go to your backup). Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sneakerz 0 #4 September 3, 2005 However, BASE jumping is something I could never do. -------------------------------------------------------- I have been saying the same thing myself since I have started jumping, and when i tell that to the more experienced jumpers I go with, they all reply back " Give it time, just give it time"--------------- "Once you find a job that you like, you never have to work another day in your life" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #5 September 3, 2005 BASE was always somethng I wanted but I once said: "I'll never BASE jump from below 500-feet." I was wrong. "I'll never BASE jump from a building in the night." I was wrong. "I'll never BASE jump with my pilot chute stowed." I was wrong. And it goes on and on . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 14 #6 September 3, 2005 What were once vices are now habits. Careful about what you say you'll never do. I got a whole list of things I'm doing now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy_Copland 0 #7 September 3, 2005 Next time your on the plane to altitude check out the door at 300ft, if that doesnt scare the life out of you then nothing will. At 5k i made a joke and asked my instructor the hold on to my pilot chute (PCA i think thats called in BASE.) Sure i'd like to give it a go, but am i willing to accept the risk? No, not yet. Im years off 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 25 #8 September 3, 2005 Me either. That's crazy stuff. I just can't figure out whuffo they want to jump off them cliffs fo'. -- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy_Copland 0 #9 September 3, 2005 lmao1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 25 #10 September 3, 2005 Quote...with BASE jumping is that whatever you just jumped off of, you see it's structure as you pass by it on your way to the ground. This is not always true. On many spans, for example, you have limited nearby reference during the freefall. You do still have things like canyon walls and the like, but they are reasonably distant. It sounds like you have a much better understanding of the differences between skydiving and BASE than most folks in your shoes, though. The presence of the object is almost always a bigger consideration than the overall altitude. edit to add: In all seriousness, there's no reason you ought to BASE jump if you don't want to. It's really a personal choice, and if it doesn't call to you, then there are many other fun, rewarding, and interesting things to do.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #11 September 3, 2005 I would like to one day try base, but I say that simply because if I say I will never do it, Ill end up doing it because I try not to let fear keep me from anything. If I ignore the sport of BASE then it is much easier for me to not do it. Why do I think its not for me.... 1. I am scared still on just a jump plane until about 4 grand. My hop and pop was extremely hard to do let alone jumping from a building or bridge etc 2. I do not like the idea of falling.... as in I dont want to feel like I am falling. At least the plane is moving. 3. I can barely survive skydiving. I lack great canopy skills, and I lack perfect awareness. I have very little muscle memory etc, I am lucky that I have yet to land off and I am lucky that every landing hasnt exposed a femur. Im just so new in this sport that I lack the knowledge to protect myself in something like a base jump, where there is less time to save my life. One day I will try it, just not today...Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HydroGuy 0 #12 September 3, 2005 Quote I can barely survive skydiving. I am lucky that every landing hasnt exposed a femur. No offense, but you best get some coaching then, before you DO expose a femur...Get in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NtheSeaOrSky 0 #13 September 3, 2005 Quote but I had over 700 skydivers before I tried my first BASE jump. Wow, how long did that take ya???Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #14 September 3, 2005 lol I get alot of coaching, I am my worst enemy is what they say and I exaggerate how bad I am... theres to me a huge difference from skydiving and base, and thats what I was trying to get accrossSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sneakerz 0 #15 September 4, 2005 If I were to ever do a BASE jump I think it would only be at bridge day and then only after a few jumps from a hot air balloon--------------- "Once you find a job that you like, you never have to work another day in your life" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 25 #16 September 4, 2005 I can think of several places that are much safer for a first BASE jump than Bridge Day. Bridge Day has a huge amount of distractions, a fairly pressured exit timing, and a landing area which isn't exactly beginner friendly.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkM 0 #17 September 5, 2005 Quote But it's not the height issue that bothers me. The important distinction with BASE jumping is that whatever you just jumped off of, you see it's structure as you pass by it on your way to the ground. That would completely freak me out. As it is, when I look over the edge at the top of a skycraper, or over the edge of a cliff, I just about get a serious case of vertigo. Hey there's no problem with that. Just close your eyes during the jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jonstark 8 #18 September 5, 2005 I can respect that. If you feel that BASE is not for you it's not. That's fine. Don't let anything convince you otherwise until you are really ready. The last place you want or need to be is on the edge wishing you weren't there. jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #19 September 5, 2005 QuoteQuote but I had over 700 skydivers before I tried my first BASE jump. Wow, how long did that take ya??? I never said I was the sharpest pencil in the box. To the originator of this thread. Instead of wondering if BASE jumping is for you or not, why don't you wait and see if BASE finds you. I wasn't supposed to BASE jump nor was I supposed to swoop when I got into skydiving. But swooping and BASE jumping did indeed find me along the way. I need to figure out how to get a swoop pond, Moab and the Perrine all within a short trip of each other. That would be heaven ... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,434 #20 September 5, 2005 > Next time your on the plane to altitude check out the door at 300ft, >if that doesnt scare the life out of you then nothing will. And the scary thing is - getting out of a plane at that altitude (with the right gear) is a piece of cake due to the airspeed you have. I once did a hop and pop out of a King Air with a Mojo 240, a mesh slider and a 42" ZP PC. Wham! I was open about 20 feet below the airplane. (I should note that I got out at 2500 feet, not 300.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites windcatcher 0 #21 September 5, 2005 QuoteThere's no reference point as you're falling. From doing it the first time I remember that, despite the initial sensation of falling and the rushing wind and all that, it almost seemed as if were were floating, maybe flying, instead of falling. Man, this is why I am excited about doing my first BASE jump!!! I started doing static lines, and once I got to freefall, I was disappointed there was no ground rush. I am going to do a BASE jump, but I doubt I will ever get into it full time, maybe just jump Bridge Day. But yeah, BASE isn't for everyone,and that's okay. I am excited to do my first BASE even though I know it's gonna freak me out Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #22 September 6, 2005 QuoteHowever, BASE jumping is something I could never do. -------------------------------------------------------- I have been saying the same thing myself since I have started jumping, and when i tell that to the more experienced jumpers I go with, they all reply back " Give it time, just give it time" I don't understand why some people who BASE jump think that everyone else wants to, or will eventually want to BASE jump as well. BASE jumping - like skydiving - is not for everyone. And I also don't think it's very cool for them to be trying to encourage someone to BASE jump if the person is saying they don't want to. Just my opinion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #23 September 6, 2005 Keely, I think what most are talking about is their own experience. It's like when I hear a first time tandem come down and breathlessly exclaim, "Man, I could have never done that on my own," when I know they could have, just like so many did and still do, when they aren’t presented with tandem as the only way to go. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #24 September 6, 2005 QuoteThis is not always true. On many spans, for example, you have limited nearby reference during the freefall. You do still have things like canyon walls and the like, but they are reasonably distant. Tom, Pardon what may be a silly question from a non-BASE jumper, but other than some big walls, do you EVER see the structure while in freefall? Aren't you somewhat looking away from the object? Especially on short delays? Just wondering. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 25 #25 September 6, 2005 Quote...other than some big walls, do you EVER see the structure while in freefall? Yes. You frequently see parts of the structure while in free fall (antenna guy wires are a good example). Many jumpers also look back on tower jump, to judge pull altitude using visual referents (usually the lights on the tower at night). You also see the structure on pretty much anything that's underhung, or even vertical. Since by pull time you are usually looking straight down, it's fairly common to see the object at the bottom (relatively speaking) of your field of vision. QuoteAren't you somewhat looking away from the object? Especially on short delays? On very short delays (i.e. go and throws) you usually have very limited reference to the object, because you are still pretty head high when you deploy, and end up under canopyy. Short answer: every object is different, and you see parts of them on many jumps. Random aside: I've always wanted to do a full floater off a glass (i.e. reflective) building. I once did a rollover off one of those, and the visual was pretty spectacular.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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CanuckInUSA 0 #3 September 3, 2005 BASE jumping is an order of magnatude more dangerous than skydiving. But it can also release a jolt of adrenaline after you jump like nothing else in the world. Oh and if you think that jumping off of a 3000 foot cliff is low, try a 200-300 footer like what's out in Moab. Dude build some experience in skydiving before you start worrying about BASE. People do start sooner, but I had over 700 skydivers before I tried my first BASE jump. Some of the keys to surviving in BASE is knowing your gear and knowing your limits, have good canopy control skills and have a plan (including backup plans) before each jump and stick to that plan (unless you need to go to your backup). Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakerz 0 #4 September 3, 2005 However, BASE jumping is something I could never do. -------------------------------------------------------- I have been saying the same thing myself since I have started jumping, and when i tell that to the more experienced jumpers I go with, they all reply back " Give it time, just give it time"--------------- "Once you find a job that you like, you never have to work another day in your life" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #5 September 3, 2005 BASE was always somethng I wanted but I once said: "I'll never BASE jump from below 500-feet." I was wrong. "I'll never BASE jump from a building in the night." I was wrong. "I'll never BASE jump with my pilot chute stowed." I was wrong. And it goes on and on . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #6 September 3, 2005 What were once vices are now habits. Careful about what you say you'll never do. I got a whole list of things I'm doing now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #7 September 3, 2005 Next time your on the plane to altitude check out the door at 300ft, if that doesnt scare the life out of you then nothing will. At 5k i made a joke and asked my instructor the hold on to my pilot chute (PCA i think thats called in BASE.) Sure i'd like to give it a go, but am i willing to accept the risk? No, not yet. Im years off 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #8 September 3, 2005 Me either. That's crazy stuff. I just can't figure out whuffo they want to jump off them cliffs fo'. -- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #9 September 3, 2005 lmao1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #10 September 3, 2005 Quote...with BASE jumping is that whatever you just jumped off of, you see it's structure as you pass by it on your way to the ground. This is not always true. On many spans, for example, you have limited nearby reference during the freefall. You do still have things like canyon walls and the like, but they are reasonably distant. It sounds like you have a much better understanding of the differences between skydiving and BASE than most folks in your shoes, though. The presence of the object is almost always a bigger consideration than the overall altitude. edit to add: In all seriousness, there's no reason you ought to BASE jump if you don't want to. It's really a personal choice, and if it doesn't call to you, then there are many other fun, rewarding, and interesting things to do.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #11 September 3, 2005 I would like to one day try base, but I say that simply because if I say I will never do it, Ill end up doing it because I try not to let fear keep me from anything. If I ignore the sport of BASE then it is much easier for me to not do it. Why do I think its not for me.... 1. I am scared still on just a jump plane until about 4 grand. My hop and pop was extremely hard to do let alone jumping from a building or bridge etc 2. I do not like the idea of falling.... as in I dont want to feel like I am falling. At least the plane is moving. 3. I can barely survive skydiving. I lack great canopy skills, and I lack perfect awareness. I have very little muscle memory etc, I am lucky that I have yet to land off and I am lucky that every landing hasnt exposed a femur. Im just so new in this sport that I lack the knowledge to protect myself in something like a base jump, where there is less time to save my life. One day I will try it, just not today...Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HydroGuy 0 #12 September 3, 2005 Quote I can barely survive skydiving. I am lucky that every landing hasnt exposed a femur. No offense, but you best get some coaching then, before you DO expose a femur...Get in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #13 September 3, 2005 Quote but I had over 700 skydivers before I tried my first BASE jump. Wow, how long did that take ya???Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #14 September 3, 2005 lol I get alot of coaching, I am my worst enemy is what they say and I exaggerate how bad I am... theres to me a huge difference from skydiving and base, and thats what I was trying to get accrossSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakerz 0 #15 September 4, 2005 If I were to ever do a BASE jump I think it would only be at bridge day and then only after a few jumps from a hot air balloon--------------- "Once you find a job that you like, you never have to work another day in your life" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #16 September 4, 2005 I can think of several places that are much safer for a first BASE jump than Bridge Day. Bridge Day has a huge amount of distractions, a fairly pressured exit timing, and a landing area which isn't exactly beginner friendly.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #17 September 5, 2005 Quote But it's not the height issue that bothers me. The important distinction with BASE jumping is that whatever you just jumped off of, you see it's structure as you pass by it on your way to the ground. That would completely freak me out. As it is, when I look over the edge at the top of a skycraper, or over the edge of a cliff, I just about get a serious case of vertigo. Hey there's no problem with that. Just close your eyes during the jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #18 September 5, 2005 I can respect that. If you feel that BASE is not for you it's not. That's fine. Don't let anything convince you otherwise until you are really ready. The last place you want or need to be is on the edge wishing you weren't there. jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #19 September 5, 2005 QuoteQuote but I had over 700 skydivers before I tried my first BASE jump. Wow, how long did that take ya??? I never said I was the sharpest pencil in the box. To the originator of this thread. Instead of wondering if BASE jumping is for you or not, why don't you wait and see if BASE finds you. I wasn't supposed to BASE jump nor was I supposed to swoop when I got into skydiving. But swooping and BASE jumping did indeed find me along the way. I need to figure out how to get a swoop pond, Moab and the Perrine all within a short trip of each other. That would be heaven ... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #20 September 5, 2005 > Next time your on the plane to altitude check out the door at 300ft, >if that doesnt scare the life out of you then nothing will. And the scary thing is - getting out of a plane at that altitude (with the right gear) is a piece of cake due to the airspeed you have. I once did a hop and pop out of a King Air with a Mojo 240, a mesh slider and a 42" ZP PC. Wham! I was open about 20 feet below the airplane. (I should note that I got out at 2500 feet, not 300.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #21 September 5, 2005 QuoteThere's no reference point as you're falling. From doing it the first time I remember that, despite the initial sensation of falling and the rushing wind and all that, it almost seemed as if were were floating, maybe flying, instead of falling. Man, this is why I am excited about doing my first BASE jump!!! I started doing static lines, and once I got to freefall, I was disappointed there was no ground rush. I am going to do a BASE jump, but I doubt I will ever get into it full time, maybe just jump Bridge Day. But yeah, BASE isn't for everyone,and that's okay. I am excited to do my first BASE even though I know it's gonna freak me out Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #22 September 6, 2005 QuoteHowever, BASE jumping is something I could never do. -------------------------------------------------------- I have been saying the same thing myself since I have started jumping, and when i tell that to the more experienced jumpers I go with, they all reply back " Give it time, just give it time" I don't understand why some people who BASE jump think that everyone else wants to, or will eventually want to BASE jump as well. BASE jumping - like skydiving - is not for everyone. And I also don't think it's very cool for them to be trying to encourage someone to BASE jump if the person is saying they don't want to. Just my opinion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #23 September 6, 2005 Keely, I think what most are talking about is their own experience. It's like when I hear a first time tandem come down and breathlessly exclaim, "Man, I could have never done that on my own," when I know they could have, just like so many did and still do, when they aren’t presented with tandem as the only way to go. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #24 September 6, 2005 QuoteThis is not always true. On many spans, for example, you have limited nearby reference during the freefall. You do still have things like canyon walls and the like, but they are reasonably distant. Tom, Pardon what may be a silly question from a non-BASE jumper, but other than some big walls, do you EVER see the structure while in freefall? Aren't you somewhat looking away from the object? Especially on short delays? Just wondering. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #25 September 6, 2005 Quote...other than some big walls, do you EVER see the structure while in freefall? Yes. You frequently see parts of the structure while in free fall (antenna guy wires are a good example). Many jumpers also look back on tower jump, to judge pull altitude using visual referents (usually the lights on the tower at night). You also see the structure on pretty much anything that's underhung, or even vertical. Since by pull time you are usually looking straight down, it's fairly common to see the object at the bottom (relatively speaking) of your field of vision. QuoteAren't you somewhat looking away from the object? Especially on short delays? On very short delays (i.e. go and throws) you usually have very limited reference to the object, because you are still pretty head high when you deploy, and end up under canopyy. Short answer: every object is different, and you see parts of them on many jumps. Random aside: I've always wanted to do a full floater off a glass (i.e. reflective) building. I once did a rollover off one of those, and the visual was pretty spectacular.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites