stayhigh 2 #1 January 9, 2007 Let's say you had an off dz landing requiring down hill landing???? hill size about 30 degree.. How would you flair??Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #2 January 9, 2007 Okay dude, i admit it im going GL, ill might have to land in down hill kinda area so im asking opinion,,Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #3 January 9, 2007 > hill size about 30 degree.. How would you flair?? You'd likely never reach the hill. Modern canopies glide at angles between 24 and 30 degrees. (glide ratios of between 3:1 and 4:1.) But if the hill were less steep - say 15 degrees - then you could likely land on it. The flare would just be a LOT slower, and would take much longer to complete. Basically you'd start flaring, but stop whenever you were about to gain elevation over the hill. Hills around 26 degrees are quite interesting, because you (slightly) increase your glide ratio when you pull on your brakes. So you could approach the hill, but when you began to flare you'd move away from it again. About the only way you could land on such a hill is get your feet down and start sliding; this adds tremendous drag and lets you come to a stop with a flare. Obviously you need the right sort of hill to try this. Edited to add - when ground launching, one thing that helps you is that slopes eventually end. Needless to say, a site where the slope bottoms out in an alligator farm is not a good GL site - a place with a wide open flat area at the bottom is best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #4 January 9, 2007 You'd want to land "across" the hill, but if there's no other way, just slow your decent rate and sink it in. However, that means if you're jumping some super fast swooping machine, or can't make an accuracy approach with a larger and slower canopy, you're pretty much screwed . . . PS. I wrote that before you mentioned GL . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #5 January 9, 2007 QuoteOkay dude, i admit it im going GL, ill might have to land in down hill kinda area so im asking opinion,, Program 911 into the speed dial of your cellular phone... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 4 #6 January 9, 2007 QuoteProgram 911 into the speed dial of your cellular phone... Actually, have your friends program it into their phones. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazydiver 0 #7 January 9, 2007 QuoteOkay dude, i admit it im going GL, ill might have to land in down hill kinda area so im asking opinion,, If you have to ask this question on here you need coaching. Thats totally ok, we all need coaching in various areas. I can tell you though, if you have to ask that question, there are a lot of things about ground launching that you will be missing that are important for your safety...including not being kited off the back of the hill! At your experience level, coaching or attending a ground launch camp is the only way you will be able to gain the skills needed for ground launching. Trust me. Cheers, Travis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 January 9, 2007 How do you always flare? Evenly on both sides. On my paraglider, I often land on the side of a hill and still follow the basic rules of landing a canopy. (1) Land with the canopy above your head - Not in a turn (2) Land in a clear and open area (avoid obstructions!!) (3) FLARE (4) Land into wind IF POSSIBLE I love that canopy course - Thanks Brian (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #9 January 9, 2007 Quotei admit it im going GL... What the heck is "GL"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #10 January 9, 2007 Ground Launching. It happens in places where there are slopes Basically, it's a return to the sources of paragliding, but instead of HUGE 5/7 ell canopies, people now use their small 7/9 cell canopies and flirt with the ground at a much higher speed.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #11 January 9, 2007 I think what were trying to tell ya is: Don't do it man! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #12 January 9, 2007 depends on the aerology of the site. Go get GL coaching, paraglider coaching etc etc. Study the wind, study the place. Then decide if you want to take your chances.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #13 January 10, 2007 okay how steep is 30 degree,, this site had and slope little bit steeper than regular stair. the hill top is about 280 ft and lading area will be about 120 ft,,Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #14 January 10, 2007 > okay how steep is 30 degree 1 foot drop for every 3 feet distance. It's pretty steep. Stairs are about the same steepness (about 35 degrees.) A 45 degree stair is scary steep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #15 January 10, 2007 Quoteokay how steep is 30 degree,, this site had and slope little bit steeper than regular stair. the hill top is about 280 ft and lading area will be about 120 ft,, Ahhhh, persistence…Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #16 January 10, 2007 who regulates GL??? it is not skydiving or paragliding..Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #17 January 10, 2007 > who regulates GL? The same people who regulate BASE jumping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #18 January 10, 2007 Quotewho regulates GL??? it is not skydiving or paragliding.. Murphy does. that guy write his own law for thingslike this. I suggest you study it hard in order to break it safely.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #19 January 10, 2007 Quote> who regulates GL? The same people who regulate BASE jumping. That be the ground? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #20 January 10, 2007 Quotewho regulates GL??? it is not skydiving or paragliding..why wouldn't it be paragliding ? GL definitely is paragliding.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 3 #21 January 10, 2007 not everyone has $500 to go to the GL center . so, we will teach ourselves. not best way, but fun for shits and giggles. .. i guess. As well, there is not much information online that I can find on GL other than glcenter . Hey Mike, when you get it figured out, let me know, and i will join you in the hospital! .. I'll put my phone on voice connect, and program 911 to painful moaning!CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #22 January 10, 2007 Quotenot everyone has $500 to go to the GL center . so, we will teach ourselves. not best way, but fun for shits and giggles. .. i guess. good luck. don't hurt yourselves. not everyone HAS to groundlaunch either. scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajorDad 0 #23 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuote> who regulates GL? The same people who regulate BASE jumping. That be the ground? Darwin regulates Ground Launching. Sometimes he wins right away, sometimes he has to wait awhile. Darwin is pretty patient though..... Talk to someone who knows what he is doing and can teach you some hard earned lessons rather than learning strictly internet research. Chicks only dig scars if you live Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #24 January 10, 2007 QuoteQuotenot everyone has $500 to go to the GL center . so, we will teach ourselves. not best way, but fun for shits and giggles. .. i guess. good luck. don't hurt yourselves. I would hate to be out of skydiving for an extended period while healing from a GL injury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrant 0 #25 January 10, 2007 If you've already thought throught the risks, and have decided that this is an acceptable risk for YOU, then no jerk on the internet saying "no, you dont' have enought jumps, its too dangerous, you're stupid" is going to stop you (and neither should they). So, have some info. http://www.bigairsportz.com/art-groundlaunch.php Have fun, don't die! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
