popsjumper 2 #76 March 29, 2011 QuoteThis is pure and simply a political witch hunt. A great product is being attacked by a group of hacks that have everything to gain from taking out Argus. Atlas is shrugging within the skydiving community. Well, to be fair, the attack is really on cutters that do not do the job and AADs that activate at inopportune times. It could be any brand name. Argus has more recent history, that's all. A thread could be started about every individual make and model...this one is about Argus vs Cypres. The OPs document is rubbish for obvious reasons...as has already been pointed out.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #77 March 29, 2011 QuoteIn fact, Cypres appears to be responsible for a number of fatalities (For exact number, please see link: http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/c6UCg). Please correct me if I am wrong, but it might be more fatalities than Argus and Vigil combined. Well, yes. You are wrong in that you claim an AAD (any AAD) is responsible for all 34 of those incidents listed. Hence, the rubbish call. Surely you see that don't you? Are you going to continue to defend the indefensible?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #78 March 29, 2011 >A reserve is a back up device so (regulations aside) should people quit jumping >unless they are prepared to jump a single parachute system? If you are so worried about your main parachute opening that you are thinking "man, I'm glad I have a reserve" - then you may want to reconsider making that jump until you fix the problems with your main. >Do you tell this to FJC students? ?? FJC students are jumping with mains, reserves, AAD's, RSL's, altimeters, radios - they're loaded down with safety gear. That's because they are students. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #79 March 29, 2011 Quote That has GOT to be the stupidest document EVER written! Even The National Inquirer could not come up with something so twistedly stupid. But it's on the internet so it must be true!jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #80 March 29, 2011 Quote Quote That has GOT to be the stupidest document EVER written! Even The National Inquirer could not come up with something so twistedly stupid. But it's on the internet so it must be true!j I humbly stand corrected. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #81 June 5, 2011 In my six years i've only seen one legit aad save. Rest were all fired due to stupidity. I have no aad so therefore im picky on what type of skydive that i do. I also think that going in is not that bad of an option, we all die sometime. When i see an old couple walking around the park that seemes horrifying to me. I hope i die before 55.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #82 June 5, 2011 I hope i die before 55. Yeah right...say that when you're 54. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 201 #83 June 5, 2011 Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,304 #84 June 5, 2011 Hi Jim, Let me fix that for you: Yeah right...say that when you're 54 and looking at some good looking 45 yr old woman. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strop45 0 #85 June 5, 2011 Quote Hi Jim, Let me fix that for you: Yeah right...say that when you're 54 and looking at some good looking 45 yr old woman. JerryBaumchen One of the few advantages of getting older is that there are more good looking women around :-)The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #86 June 5, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Just curious, and off topic... Do you own an Argus? He has one listed in his profile. Matt I guess I'd be pissed off too. The truth comes out. :-) Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #87 June 5, 2011 Do people in 50's have sex????. That sounds gross as two girls one cup movieBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #88 June 6, 2011 QuoteDo people in 50's have sex????. That sounds gross as two girls one cup movie http://xkcd.com/907/"It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 137 #89 June 6, 2011 QuoteIn my six years i've only seen one legit aad save. Rest were all fired due to stupidity.how would you consider mine ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #90 June 6, 2011 what is your story???Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 137 #91 June 6, 2011 Quotewhat is your story???CLICKYscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #92 June 6, 2011 yeah again. stupidity. may not knew how stupid you were but still throw the damn thing away or keep it in the boc. same thing with drogue. they were all preventable. my version of real cypress save is when you get knocked out and can not do anything else on your own will power. you could've let go of pc in time, you could've have cut away system on your helmet, you could've have plastic screws. you could've pull reserve in timeBernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 137 #93 June 6, 2011 could've could've could've... sorry, just human.... getting knocked out is preventable too scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #94 June 6, 2011 Luckily some of my friends who didn't have real CYPRES saves, had one in their kit. Some of my dead ones didn't.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NovaTTT 2 #95 June 6, 2011 Quote getting knocked out is preventable too I think you're just resorting to polemics, Nicholas. I strongly disagree with you that being knocked out in-air is preventable. Sandy and Tommy are the best examples of this. And there are other incapacitating events which could result in an AAD fire: heart attack, stroke, joint or limb injury are examples. But these are not necessarily preventable issues. We manage risks and prepare ourselves but I suppose the only thing that is 100% preventable is the jump. "Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #96 June 7, 2011 Sooo... I want to buy an AAD for my rig. I wingsuit, track, test jump experimental canopies (high pull), and "swoop". Occasionally I freefall and IAD instruct, But it has been a while. I was planning on buying a standard CYPRES is there something better? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #97 June 8, 2011 Argus...hands down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #98 June 8, 2011 QuoteSooo... I want to buy an AAD for my rig. I wingsuit, track, test jump experimental canopies (high pull), and "swoop". Occasionally I freefall and IAD instruct, But it has been a while. I was planning on buying a standard CYPRES is there something better? This the one you need, designed to be all things to all people. All you need is to make sure you have the foot cocking wire. Sparky http://www.fxcguardian.com/2B2M1200025.htmMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #99 June 9, 2011 in reply to "This the one you need, designed to be all things to all people. All you need is to make sure you have the foot cocking wire. " ...................................................... Saw these operate on student mains over many years with nil problems. Very tough reliable unit . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #100 June 9, 2011 Quotein reply to "This the one you need, designed to be all things to all people. All you need is to make sure you have the foot cocking wire. " ...................................................... Saw these operate on student mains over many years with nil problems. Very tough reliable unit . I used them during testing some years ago. Not my idea. On exit I would shut it off. They could have an operational window + or – 1500 feet something I did not want to deal with during a live test. SparklyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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