palejo 0 #1 January 30, 2013 Hi, I have made email contact with this seller, http://www.dropzone.com/classifieds/Detailed/Complete_Systems/Wings_W14_Sabre2_190_PDR_176_Cypres2_Freefly_Friendly_8207__139483.html She replied and emailed me some pics of the rig (front, back, side), then we negotiated a price without AAD, all over email. I asked her to send me the serial number so I can check legitimacy and fitting with manufacturer, she says, I quote: "Sorry, I can't send you serial number to avoid misuse of it". She wants me to send her payment through PayPal then upon receiving she will ship rig and she will pay shipping cost. I have tried calling her to the number she gave me and I get a really weird rig tone and no answer. I'm giving her the option to call mi rigger to verify me and she doesn't answer to the option. She has my address, phone number, full name, DZ info, but still she doesn't trust, neither give me serial # to verify the rig and fitting or call my rigger. I really like the rig and the price deal we made but don't want to be scammed. Any suggestions here on anything else to try as I'm about to walk away from this ad. Thank you for your inputAlejandro B27585 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbry 0 #2 January 30, 2013 Walk awayBry -------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #3 January 30, 2013 Quote Hi, I have made email contact with this seller, http://www.dropzone.com/classifieds/Detailed/Complete_Systems/Wings_W14_Sabre2_190_PDR_176_Cypres2_Freefly_Friendly_8207__139483.html She replied and emailed me some pics of the rig (front, back, side), then we negotiated a price without AAD, all over email. I asked her to send me the serial number so I can check legitimacy and fitting with manufacturer, she says, I quote: "Sorry, I can't send you serial number to avoid misuse of it". She wants me to send her payment through PayPal then upon receiving she will ship rig and she will pay shipping cost. I have tried calling her to the number she gave me and I get a really weird rig tone and no answer. I'm giving her the option to call mi rigger to verify me and she doesn't answer to the option. She has my address, phone number, full name, DZ info, but still she doesn't trust, neither give me serial # to verify the rig and fitting or call my rigger. I really like the rig and the price deal we made but don't want to be scammed. Any suggestions here on anything else to try as I'm about to walk away from this ad. Thank you for your input Ask her what her home dz is, and a contact number of the dzo / rigger there so you can verify her. Then walk away... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbry 0 #4 January 30, 2013 Bry-------------------------------------------------- Growing old is mandatory.Growing up is optional!! D.S.#13(Dudeist Skdiver) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #5 January 30, 2013 Quote"Sorry, I can't send you serial number to avoid misuse of it". I wonder what sort of 'mis-use' is possible? Either way, Chuting Star rigging loft offers a free escrow service for private gear deals. The seller ships them the rig, and you send them the money. They will inspect the rig (you do have to pay for the inspection) and report the findings to the buyer. If the buyer approves, they will ship them the rig, and forward the payment to the seller. They are a reputable business who has been around for several years and they currently have several business locations. They are the definition of a 'third party' as they have no association with either the seller or buyer. If she won't provide serial numbers, legitimate contact info, contact your rigger or DZ, or work through Chuting Star, just give up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #6 January 30, 2013 Hi Checked the sellers profile, "It's" a ghost with no track record. Hard to use the grapevine with that info. What everyone else said except don't get , notify the mods to delete the Ad before "it" hooks a sucker.Due diligence works if your smart enough to use it.R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
palejo 0 #7 January 30, 2013 I am going to walk away from it. I reported this ad as a scam but haven't seen any action taken to take it down or warn users. The ad was just REPOSTED a couple days ago. Thank you guys for the advice.Alejandro B27585 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #8 January 30, 2013 Congratulations on being smart. I have purchased a lot of equipment on DZ.Com, but I always make sure the seller knows someone at their DZ who can vouch for them. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drdive 0 #9 February 1, 2013 This is definitely a scam. A gal from our DZ purchased it last week, sent money via pay pal, never received it, no tracking #, and it is reposted. She is disputing it with pay pal, and the bitch told pay pal the money was a "donation" Why is DZ not getting this ad off the classified list?"We saved your gear. Now you can sell it when you get out of the hospital and upsize!!" "K-Dub" " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #10 February 1, 2013 I am working to get this ad removed. The latest scam that scammers are using is they are taking an existing legitimate ad and waiting until it is removed from the site and are reposting it as their own. They have the info that the original poster used as well as photos so they then are able to pretend that they are the seller of an item and will ask for the payment to be paypal personal transfers or donations "to avoid fees" or other reasons and then run with the money and kill the paypal account.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drdive 0 #11 February 1, 2013 I have responded to the ad, she has emailed me and given me her paypal acct for payment. I am playing along with her. Do you want her email info? Ed"We saved your gear. Now you can sell it when you get out of the hospital and upsize!!" "K-Dub" " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aulanov 0 #12 February 2, 2013 Ask to send you a paypal invoice. If she refuses - that's scam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #13 February 2, 2013 I buy and sell used gear all the time as part of my rigging business. There is no legitimate reason to not include serial numbers unless they are faded and not legible. I never buy anything unless I run the serial numbers against the stolen gear data base. Besides the one here on DZ.com USPA.org also has one. I found a stolen rig on Ebay last year and it was returned to the owner, the seller (a pawn shop) did not even know it was stolen. Every time you buy gear whether it is new or used write down the serial numbers and keep that available, it may come in handy. Whuffo theives don't know where to look so they are easy to catch.Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keithbar 1 #14 February 2, 2013 Quote Walk awayBry run away run away screaming scammer!i have on occasion been accused of pulling low . My response. Naw I wasn't low I'm just such a big guy I look closer than I really am . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #15 February 2, 2013 QuoteI buy and sell used gear all the time as part of my rigging business. There is no legitimate reason to not include serial numbers unless they are faded and not legible. I never buy anything unless I run the serial numbers against the stolen gear data base. Besides the one here on DZ.com USPA.org also has one. I found a stolen rig on Ebay last year and it was returned to the owner, the seller (a pawn shop) did not even know it was stolen. Every time you buy gear whether it is new or used write down the serial numbers and keep that available, it may come in handy. Whuffo theives don't know where to look so they are easy to catch. The interesting thing about this scam (at least the way Phreezone described it) is that these sellers aren't selling stolen gear; they're posting stolen ads, and running a Paypal scam to get money out of the buyers. While your practice of checking the stolen gear databases is an excellent one, unfortunately, it's unlikely to catch situations like this, since the gear itself isn't stolen."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #16 February 2, 2013 Agreed, I was only commenting on the part about not giving out the serial #s.Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drdive 0 #17 February 2, 2013 I played with the poster by email. Offered her 4k which she rapidly accepted, and she sent me her paypal info. I asked her for phone # to call with ?, and she said she was at work and to ask all ? on email. I asked her then what was her home DZ and name of her rigger so I could verify the rig condition, and never heard back. I forwarded my string of email to my friend who got scammed originally so she could forward it all to paypal in support of her claim. I hope she gets caught and punished. Doc"We saved your gear. Now you can sell it when you get out of the hospital and upsize!!" "K-Dub" " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #18 February 2, 2013 Quote I played with the poster by email. Offered her 4k which she rapidly accepted, and she sent me her paypal info. I asked her for phone # to call with ?, and she said she was at work and to ask all ? on email. I asked her then what was her home DZ and name of her rigger so I could verify the rig condition, and never heard back. I forwarded my string of email to my friend who got scammed originally so she could forward it all to paypal in support of her claim. I hope she gets caught and punished. Doc Atta boy Doc. I would be happy if your friend got her money back from PP.Caught and punished PP is to busy for thatR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shredex 0 #19 February 2, 2013 I never buy from a seller that has 0 posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
palejo 0 #20 February 4, 2013 QuoteThis is definitely a scam. A gal from our DZ purchased it last week, sent money via pay pal, never received it, no tracking #, and it is reposted. She is disputing it with pay pal, and the bitch told pay pal the money was a "donation" Why is DZ not getting this ad off the classified list? Sorry to hear about your friend being scammed. I reported the ad to Meso, the administrator. I hope the victim can resolve this with PayPal and the ad gets removed soon so nobody else gets robbed.Alejandro B27585 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
palejo 0 #21 February 4, 2013 QuoteI have responded to the ad, she has emailed me and given me her paypal acct for payment. I am playing along with her. Do you want her email info? Ed This is the name and email address the scumbag is using when responding to email inquires: Pamela Boone This is the fake phone number: (940) 238-0986 This is the PayPal account she is using to get the money: [email protected]Alejandro B27585 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #22 February 5, 2013 I have disabled the user, removed the ad and put out an alert for the scammer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
palejo 0 #23 February 5, 2013 QuoteI have disabled the user, removed the ad and put out an alert for the scammer. She has a second ad, the original one. The one you guys deleted was a repost. See link: http://www.dropzone.com/classifieds/Detailed/Complete_Systems/Wings_W14_Sabre2_190_PDR_176_Cypres2_Freefly_Friendly_8207__138896.htmlAlejandro B27585 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shredex 0 #24 February 5, 2013 Don't want to start a new thread when it's kinda on the subject. Anyone do any business with this guy? All his postings seem to be in the Miscellaneous section and it's like he is parting out a bunch of rigs with no specifications. http://www.dropzone.com/classifieds/Detailed/Miscellaneous/Blue_Container_Pink_Reserve_139131.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
