Liz Truss, UK Conservative

[gowlerk 1,901]

4 hours ago, kallend said:

Rishi Sunak seems to have the most support from conservative MPs.

However, his Oxford education is a big negative IMO.

You don't necessarily need to row to run a country.

[jakee 1,254]

Man who claims to represent the average Conservative Party member explains why he wouldn't ever vote for Rishi Sunak. Spoiler alert - it's exactly the reason you think it's gonna be.

It might be one of the most toxic side effects of the Brexit debate, specifically how much of it was around immigration and border control, that these people really seem to be freshly emboldened to share their views out loud in public. 

 

[ryoder 1,380]

9 minutes ago, jakee said:

Man who claims to represent the average Conservative Party member explains why he wouldn't ever vote for Rishi Sunak. Spoiler alert - it's exactly the reason you think it's gonna be.

It might be one of the most toxic side effects of the Brexit debate, specifically how much of it was around immigration and border control, that these people really seem to be freshly emboldened to share their views out loud in public. 

 

BoJo was born in New York??? LOL!  I learned something new today.

[kallend 1,619]

47 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

You don't necessarily need to row to run a country.

"Can't row; won't fight";

WInston Churchill commenting on Oxford's defeat in The Boat Race, 1933.

He left all his archives to Cambridge.

[gowlerk 1,901]

7 minutes ago, kallend said:

"Can't row; won't fight";

WInston Churchill commenting on Oxford's defeat in The Boat Race, 1933.

He left all his archives to Cambridge.

Oh well. At least you are only objecting to his educational origins and not his ethnicity.

[JerryBaumchen 1,046]

5 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Perhaps. But its heads and tails above a Wharton degree.

Hi Phil,

PRICELESS!!!!!

Jerry Baumchen

[jakee 1,254]

On 10/21/2022 at 12:05 AM, Phil1111 said:

Its looking more and more likely that Boris Johnson will be the next PM. Conservative backbenchers have come to realize that his personal leadership. Is what the party needs.

Sorry jakee.

Have a little faith next time, Phil

Sunak ahead as Bojo concedes.

[ryoder 1,380]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

Have a little faith next time, Phil

Sunak ahead as Bojo concedes.

But where does the lettuce stand in the current race?

[Phil1111 905]

Well with Rishi Sunak as the new PM. Where will the rest of the commonwealth and the EU get its laughs?

[Stumpy 254]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Well with Rishi Sunak as the new PM. Where will the rest of the commonwealth and the EU get its laughs?

Give him 10 mins

 

[jakee 1,254]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Well with Rishi Sunak as the new PM. Where will the rest of the commonwealth and the EU get its laughs?

Well, having created the current mess by trying to lower taxes on the rich they're clearly about to try and pay for the damage by cutting benefits and services for the poor, so there's a certain dark humour in that. But I get your point, without the circus level clown show below the existential dread of their anti living human being policies does kinda drown out the comedy.

 

[kallend 1,619]

Winchester, and  Politics, Philosophy and Economics (PPE) at Oxford.

"When will they ever learn,

When will they ever learn"?

[JoeWeber 2,294]

On 10/20/2022 at 4:05 PM, Phil1111 said:

personal leadership. Is what the party needs.

 

Did you mean.....personal party is what the leadership needs?

[gowlerk 1,901]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

When will they ever learn"?

In the spring when the flowers return.

[rifleman 61]

It seems that the Conservative party membership aren't happy about being denied a vote in the leadership election

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/10/24/is-the-conservative-party-imploding-because-of-sunaks-leadership-victory/

[Phil1111 905]

4 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Did you mean.....personal party is what the leadership needs?

Personal partying  i.e. Partygate is what started this mutiny..I have it on well founded sources. That republican leaders are drinking excellent Bourbon. Discussing lying to parliament, partying, treating party money as if its your own.

Wondering why it took so long to kick the British out of America with uppity standards like that.

[jakee 1,254]

20 minutes ago, rifleman said:

It seems that the Conservative party membership aren't happy about being denied a vote in the leadership election

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/10/24/is-the-conservative-party-imploding-because-of-sunaks-leadership-victory/

I'd take that article with a major pinch of salt, but it's funny the Brexiteers quoted who'd leave the party because of Sunak, a man who was already campaigning for Brexit back when his mum still packed his lunches.

So since he's not a remainer, what problem would a big bunch of Brexit voters all have with Rishi Sunak? Answers on the back of a postcard

[gowlerk 1,901]

1 hour ago, rifleman said:

It seems that the Conservative party membership aren't happy about being denied a vote in the leadership election

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2022/10/24/is-the-conservative-party-imploding-because-of-sunaks-leadership-victory/

There are about 173,000 members, and about 415,000 Labour Party members. Out of about 68 million total population. Democracy is a funny thing.....

[jakee 1,254]

I think Liz just beamed in her farewell speech from an alternate dimension where all her ideas were amazing and her time in office has been absolutely fabulous for the UK.

 

[Phil1111 905]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

I think Liz just beamed in her farewell speech from an alternate dimension ...

OK but aren't British citizens to blame as well? They bought the bill of goods called Brexit and voted for it.

Now the actual rubber meets the road details are known. A 3-4.5% drag on GDP  that will be an anchor on the economy for decades. It's not like a King's commission has been ordered to delve into the lies of Brexit.

[ryoder 1,380]

Groan...It looks like Sunak has been taken in by the crypto-bullshit.

Oh Great, Britain's New Prime Minister is a Crypto Bro

[jakee 1,254]

3 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

OK but aren't British citizens to blame as well? They bought the bill of goods called Brexit and voted for it.

For the entirety of the situation, yes. For Truss being completely oblivious about the damage her ideas would cause even after they've caused that damage, no. 

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Now the actual rubber meets the road details are known. A 3-4.5% drag on GDP  that will be an anchor on the economy for decades. It's not like a King's commission has been ordered to delve into the lies of Brexit.

The interesting thing is that Britain could still rejoin the single market. Leaving the single market was not the question that was voted on, and lots of people voted for Brexit thinking we would stay in the single market (or could somehow keep our trade terms intact without being officially in it - which was obviously a complete fantasy but still). 

The Conservatives would never do it, but Labour could, unfortunately so far they've appeared utterly terrified of proposing anything that might annoy the Brexiteer hardcore.

[kallend 1,619]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

. . . but Labour could, unfortunately so far they've appeared utterly terrified of proposing anything that might annoy the Brexiteer hardcore.

Do Brexiteers have any credibility any more?

[gowlerk 1,901]

7 minutes ago, kallend said:

Do Brexiteers have any credibility any more?

Even better than credibility, they have votes. Enough votes that if it had come down to another party member election Boris the spider would be spinning his web again.

[Phil1111 905]

6 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Even better than credibility, they have votes. Enough votes that if it had come down to another party member election Boris the spider would be spinning his web again.

"And we set out a vision for a low-tax, high-growth economy that would take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit." From Liz Truss resignation speech. So still peddling to those with heads in the sand.

It would be fine for the conservatives to say that reduced economic growth is a small price to pay. For the freedom from euro-regs. Freedom from Brussels. But nobody can ignore the costs to British exporters. The cost to British consumers. Unfortunately denying that you made a mistake is a part of human nature. i.e. Putin, trump, etc. and our resident troll. BTW is he on a time out again?