May’s Global Temperature coldest in 9 years

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8 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

No, I made that picture (upon request actually)

Wow, a sought after artist.

9 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

Reasonable people don't need memes thrown at them, because they are not going to resort to ad hominem, they are going to clarify what you mean,  understand it first themselves, then pose questions to the collective.

Commies just run an unhinged collective and expect everyone to acquiesce, or else...

You don't see a contradiction here? Ironic

 

10 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

Typing long winded, messages like this can be fun at times, when you which to really test your hypotheses, because there is no better review, than one from your adversaries.

Adversaries? Didn't see that as part of your scientific method art piece. Are adversaries part of the peer review process?

 

I will say that you can likely give Winsor a run for his money when it comes to saying nothing with a lot of words. I have noticed you and him are never in the room together at the same time...mmmm...

[wmw999 2,334]

I'm not sure where you got that list, but at least in the case of Haiphong and Nina, the vast majority of the deaths are from subsequent famine. It's just not that simple.

Wendy P.

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4 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

Because what sort of degenerate deconstructionist, would actually believe the Carbon and C02 are problematic to life.

Even water is problematic to life when it's not in the right proportion to the other things that are needed. Kind of like carbon and CO2.

Wendy P.

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56 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

The adversaries to scientists, are pseudo scientists.

Why would arguing with pseudo-scientists help scientists test their hypothesis? That doesn't make any sense. Do you understand the scientific process beyond a picture?

 

57 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

Because what sort of degenerate deconstructionist,

Isn't that one of those ad hominems you believe yourself to be above?

59 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

I actually feel sorry for people like you, because you are in a position where you can't back out of it, even if you wanted to.

What position do you think that is?

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53 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

In short, humans merely need to get over themselves and get on with it. 

The Sun/ God / nature / Ranginui / Ra or whatever you want to call it, decides what s happening. 

The Lord helps those who help themselves.

[olofscience 464]

4 hours ago, brenthutch said:

The results show that forcing an ice-sheet model

I thought you didn't like models, but preferred real data. Are you now a fan of climate models?

[olofscience 464]

3 hours ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

You posted the graph again. Do you know what the y-axis means?

[billvon 2,772]

1 hour ago, olofscience said:

 Are you now a fan of climate models?

If it "owns the libs" - of course he is.  He has been very clear that he posts to anger people.

[billvon 2,772]

4 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Liberal Democrats have been shouting "the end is near" since 1988 ...

And conservatives have been saying the temperature is about to plummet since about the same time.

One has been more accurate than the other.

[billvon 2,772]

15 minutes ago, Slim King said:

How many sandwiches have you had???? LOL You should lighten up ...

1. Ad hominem — Thou shall not attack the person’s character, but the argument.
2. Straw man fallacy — Thou shall not misrepresent or exaggerate a person’s argument in order to make them easier to attack.
3. Hasty generalization — Thou shall not use small numbers to represent the whole.
4. Begging the question — Thou shall not argue thy position by assuming one of its premises is true.
5. Post Hoc/False cause — Thou shall not claim that because something occurred before, it must be the cause.
6. False dichotomy — Thou shall not reduce the argument down to two possibilities.
7. Ad ignorantum — Thou shall not argue that because of our ignorance, claim must be true or false.
8. Burden of proof reversal — Thou shall not lay the burden of proof onto him that is questioning the claim.
9. Non sequitur — Thou shall not assume “this” follows “that” when it has no logical connection.
10. Bandwagon fallacy — Thou shall not claim that because a premise is popular, therefore it must be true.

 

 

Thanks for that!  So in your posts I see:

Hasty generalization - finding one guy who said the world was going to end and using that to represent the whole.
Strawman fallacy - claiming that scientists are arguing that no other greenhouse gas other than CO2 affects the climate.
Ad Hominem - attacking Greta Thunberg's mother because she made a silly "my daughter is superhuman" argument
Appeal to Authority - claiming that since Kary Mullis is a good chemist, he is an authority on climate change
Begging the question - claiming that scientists think any amount of CO2 is a pollutant, which isn't true
False Dichotomy -  assuming that the two options are using gas planes forever or "the government makes all your planes illegal."

Can you get all 10?  If you do I'll buy you a beer.

 

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1 hour ago, Slim King said:

I play the music ... You tap your feet!!!! ROTFLMAO 

So you confess to being here to troll?

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14 hours ago, brenthutch said:

More facts

Did you notice that your graph varies in temperature by about a degree over 2000 years while the one billvon posted varies by almost 2 degrees over only 170? Aren’t you the one always talking about natural variation?

Edited September 7, 2022 by murps2000

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9 hours ago, murps2000 said:

Did you notice that your graph varies in temperature by about a degree over 2000 years while the one billvon posted varies by almost 2 degrees over only 170? Aren’t you the one always talking about natural variation?

Look at the second graph 

[billvon 2,772]

1 hour ago, Slim King said:

1200 major Scientists are proving  SLIM KING is correct!!!!  There is no Climate Crisis ... fantastic article...https://slaynews.com/news/1200-scientists-scholars-declare-no-climate-emergency/

"1200 major scientists"

So I took a look at who signed it.  From the top of the list:

IVAR GIAEVER - Nobel prize for discovering electron tunnelling in superconductors.  Zero work on climate.  Paid by the Heartland Institute, a conservative think tank.
GUUS BERKHOUT - Dutch petroleum engineer who works for Shell.  Not a scientist.  Zero work on climate.
CORNELIS LE PAIR - Retired administrator.  Not a scientist.  Zero work on climate.
REYNALD DU BERGER - Professor at University of Quebec, his field is applied seismology. He has received support from Koch Industries and ExxonMobil. Zero work on climate.
BARRY BRILL - New Zealand politician and lawyer.  Zero work on climate.
TERRY DUNLEAVY - New Zealand politician and winemaker.  Zero work on climate.

So here are some facts for you!  Of the five people at the top of that list, only one was a scientist - and he wasn't even a climate or atmospheric scientist.  Three of then are paid for their opinions.

I love facts!

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1 minute ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

I have beautiful pure blood kids,

What does that mean?

 

1 minute ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

If you could prove me or any other of your adversaries wrong

Why would I see people with an opposing opinion as adversaries? Seems to oppose the idea that you would be willing to learn from those with a different opinion.

 

3 minutes ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

a beautiful healty yoga instructor wife

lol, your phrasing here says so much.

[billvon 2,772]

10 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Looks like you hid 1194 contributors .....And all of them are working on the Climate Hoax.

I took the top five.  None were climate scientists.  Only one was a scientist at all.  Three are paid by climate denial organizations.  Going by that sample, your list of 1194 contributors has zero climate scientists and only 238 scientists of ANY type.  And most of them are paid shills.

Sounds like you don't like those facts.

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Joe Rogan agrees

Joe Rogan is a World Wrestling Federation announcer, comedian and actor.  Now he has a lucrative podcast based on his acting experience.

If he is where you get your science from - I think I have just identified your problem understanding science!

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Just now, Slim King said:

You forgot to list the other 1194 scientists.

Burden of proof is on you. You provided the list. 

[billvon 2,772]

2 minutes ago, Slim King said:

You forgot to list the other 1194 scientists.

?? You posted the list and now you claim you can't find the list?

Enough with the trolling.

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7 minutes ago, billvon said:

?? You posted the list and now you claim you can't find the list?

Enough with the trolling.

Hi Bill,

If only.

Jerry Baumchen

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Joe Rogan is an excellent example of "how hard can it be?" syndrome. He's got talent and intelligence, it's just not universal. UFC commentator, Fear Factor dude, comedian, actor -- that doesn't necessarily translate to understanding science and its interfaces.

Wendy P.

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2 hours ago, billvon said:

?? You posted the list and now you claim you can't find the list?

Enough with the trolling.

Here is a list

SCIENTISTS ARGUING THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS PRIMARILY CAUSED BY NATURAL PROCESSES

— scientists that have called the observed warming attributable to natural causes, i.e. the high solar activity witnessed over the last few decades.

• Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences.^[81][82]
• Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.^[83][84][85]
• Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg.^[86][87][88]
• Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.^[89][90]
• Vincent Courtillot, geophysicist, member of the French Academy of Sciences.^[91]
• Doug Edmeades, PhD., soil scientist, officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit.^[92]
• David Dilley, B.S. and M.S. in meteorology, CEO Global Weather Oscillations Inc. [198][199]
• David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester.^[93][94]
• Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University.^[95][96]
• William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University.^[39][97]
• Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, Theoretical Physicist and Researcher, Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.^[98]
• Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo.^[99][100]
• Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.^[101][102]
• William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology.^[103][104]
• David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware.^[105][106]
• Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri.^[107][108]
• Jennifer Marohasy, an Australian biologist, former director of the Australian Environment Foundation.^[109][110]
• Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.^[111][112]
• Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.^[113][114]
• Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.^[115][116]
• Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego.^[117][118]
• Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado.^[119][120]
• Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University.^{[121][122][123]}
• Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo.^[124][125]
• Nedialko (Ned) T. Nikolov, PhD in Ecological Modelling, physical scientist for the U.S. Forest Service [200]
• Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.^[126][127]
• Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia.^{[128][129][130][131]}
• Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.^[132][133]
• Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville.^[134][135]
• Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center.^[136][137]
• George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University.^[138][139]
• Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa.^[140][141]

SCIENTISTS PUBLICLY QUESTIONING THE ACCURACY OF IPCC CLIMATE MODELS

• Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, former Greenpeace member. [203][204]
• David Bellamy, botanist.^{[19][20][21][22]}
• Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.^[23][24]
• Piers Corbyn, owner of the business WeatherAction which makes weather forecasts.^[25][26]
• Susan Crockford, Zoologist, adjunct professor in Anthropology at the University of Victoria. ^[27][28][29]
• Judith Curry, professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.^{[30][31][32][33]}
• Joseph D’Aleo, past Chairman American Meteorological Society’s Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecasting, former Professor of Meteorology, Lyndon State College.^{[34][35][36][37]}
• Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society.^[38][39]
• Ivar Giaever, Norwegian–American physicist and Nobel laureate in physics (1973).^[40]
• Dr. Kiminori Itoh, Ph.D., Industrial Chemistry, University of Tokyo [202] 
• Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University.^[41][42]
• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences.^{[39][43][44][45]}
• Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.^{[46][47][48][49][50][51][52]}
• Sebastian Lüning, geologist, famed for his book The Cold Sun. [201]
• Ross McKitrick, professor of economics and CBE chair in sustainable commerce, University of Guelph.^[53][54]
• Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada.^[55][56][57]
• Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003).^[58][59]
• Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University.^[60][61]
• Roger A. Pielke, Jr., professor of environmental studies at the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado at Boulder.^[62][63]
• Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science.^{[64][65][66][67]}
• Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 astronaut, former US senator.^[68][69]
• Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm.^[70][71]
• Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London.^[72][73]
• Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute.^[74][75]
• Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor of atmospheric science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.^[76][77]
• Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry.^[78][79]
• Valentina Zharkova, professor in mathematics at Northumbria University. BSc/MSc in applied mathematics and astronomy, a Ph.D. in astrophysics.

SCIENTISTS ARGUING THAT THE CAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING IS UNKNOWN

• Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.^[142][143]
• Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).^[144][145]
• Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.^[146][147]
• Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.^[148][149]
• John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.^{[150][151][152]}
• Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.^[153][154]
• David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.^[155][156]
• Stanley B. Goldenberg a meteorologist with NOAA/AOML’s Hurricane Research Division.^[157][158]
• Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes.^[159][160]
• Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change.^[161][162]
• Kary Mullis, 1993 Nobel laureate in chemistry, inventor of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) method.^{[163][164][165]}
• Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.^[166][167]

SCIENTISTS ARGUING THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL HAVE FEW NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES

• Indur M. Goklany, electrical engineer, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior.^{[168][169][170]}
• Craig D. Idso, geographer, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change.^[171][172]
• Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University.^[173][174]
• Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia.^[175][176]

Someone should let these guys know about the “settled science”

Edited September 7, 2022 by brenthutch

[wmw999 2,334]

And in the 1800's, even though the idea that antiseptic treatment of wounds was being developed, there were still many prominent physicians who didn't believe in it. So when the best doctor of the day was called to James Garfield's bedside, he probed the wound repeatedly with his fingers (BTW, the same thing happened to McKinley 20 years later, but that time the doctor might have washed his hands - might; it's not recorded, because it wasn't seen as that important).

Just because there is disagreement doesn't mean it's not right.

Wendy P.

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13 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.^[83][84][85]

Ah yes, she claimed ozone depletion cause atmospheric warming...How has that worked out?

[olofscience 464]

4 hours ago, The Hundredth Monkey said:

It means you have nothing other than repeating youreslf after me explaining how pathetic you were at ad hominnem last time.

maybe try by showing us a "temperature graph' rather than an anomaly chart.

Lol, you're the one repeating that graph, not me.

The one you don't understand but keep posting again, and again.

[mistercwood 287]

4 hours ago, Slim King said:

During the Obama administration they hired 17,000 trolls to push their agenda on Internet forums

And here's you doing it for free, like a chump.