Socialism v Capitalism

[wolfriverjoe 1,354]

45 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Agree. I've long had the view that the quickest way to get old and die. Is to move into a seniors condo. People go from yard work to doing nothing.

You don't quit skydiving* because you get old.
You get old because you quit skydiving.

* - Insert 'ride motorcycles', 'skiing', 'hiking' or any other activity.

[airdvr 200]

I was.  What does that have to do with anything?

[JoeWeber 2,331]

12 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I was.  What does that have to do with anything?

It's what it has to do with everything. Those are comorbidities, right? Many would claim they are self inflicted but the issue is that with single payer health insurance, something you now support, we all accept each others circumstance for the greater good. In some ways that's the socialist proposition, right? We need be cautious against taking it too far, absolutely, but there will be things on the margin that we just accept. For most liberals that would include our taxes paying your medical bills.

[airdvr 200]

And what about skydiving injuries?

[gowlerk 1,930]

20 minutes ago, airdvr said:

And what about skydiving injuries?

Or skiing, motorcycle racing, or drunk driving or any number of risky activities. All covered 100%. At least it is in Canada. Same as cancers that might be caused by smoking, or liver disease from drinking. Or Covid that is vaccine preventable. Or suicide attempts. All covered, 

[airdvr 200]

(Long) To dredge up an old thread...

I had another heart incident in October.  This time 2 hours into a 5 hour flight from CLE to SFO.  I won't bore you with the details other than to say my wife says she's seen what I look like dead.

United crew was as good as they could possibly be and there was a cardiologist on board.   We could have diverted to DEN.  I was feeling better at this point and said no.  They asked again at LAS.  We continued on the SFO.  From there to the AR via a meat cart. 8 hours in the ER with nothing to indicate why following extensive testing.

The bills are arriving now.  Incredibly United paid for my 10 minute ambulance ride to the ER.  A bit over $4,000. I think they did this for 2 reasons; reduce the possibility of negative social media and that we didn't have them divert. The rest of it adds up to roughly $37,000.  Fortunately it's the end of the year and we only have a couple hundred left on our deductible.

The point of the post is to say that I have a difficult time reconciling $5000/hr with the actual care.

 

[gowlerk 1,930]

9 minutes ago, airdvr said:

The point of the post is to say that I have a difficult time reconciling $5000/hr with the actual care.

It is good that you were actually able to get care. The bill? IDK, all I can say that I would advise you to shift your political support towards those working toward universal, also called socialised, healthcare. I suppose that incident may make it difficult for you to fly now.

[airdvr 200]

Not sure.  We're doing the same flight on the 27th.

I've stated before that I'm in favor of single payer.

Edited December 7, 2022 by airdvr

[lippy 779]

30 minutes ago, airdvr said:

(Long) To dredge up an old thread...

I had another heart incident in October.  This time 2 hours into a 5 hour flight from CLE to SFO.  I won't bore you with the details other than to say my wife says she's seen what I look like dead.

United crew was as good as they could possibly be and there was a cardiologist on board.   We could have diverted to DEN.  I was feeling better at this point and said no.  They asked again at LAS.  We continued on the SFO.  From there to the AR via a meat cart. 8 hours in the ER with nothing to indicate why following extensive testing.

The bills are arriving now.  Incredibly United paid for my 10 minute ambulance ride to the ER.  A bit over $4,000. I think they did this for 2 reasons; reduce the possibility of negative social media and that we didn't have them divert. The rest of it adds up to roughly $37,000.  Fortunately it's the end of the year and we only have a couple hundred left on our deductible.

The point of the post is to say that I have a difficult time reconciling $5000/hr with the actual care.

 

Glad your ticker’s still ticking!

[gowlerk 1,930]

9 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I've stated before that I'm in favor of single payer.

But you keep voting against it!

[wmw999 2,154]

38 minutes ago, airdvr said:

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United crew was as good as they could possibly be and there was a cardiologist on board.   We could have diverted to DEN.  I was feeling better at this point and said no.  They asked again at LAS.  We continued on the SFO.  From there to the AR via a meat cart. 8 hours in the ER with nothing to indicate why following extensive testing.

...

The point of the post is to say that I have a difficult time reconciling $5000/hr with the actual care.

 

My cousin did have to divert once when his daughter was having a seizure; he, too, said that the crew was completely professional and awesome. And when the plane got to its destination (without him and his daughter), and the pilot announced that she was going to be OK (symptoms of a much worse type of seizure than it actually was), the entire plane applauded, even though they were a couple of hours late. People are good.

As far as the care, the problem in part is the level of readiness they have to maintain to have all the stuff in case it was something more serious. Kind of like how an army or police force is expensive, even if there isn't a war or much crime. They have to be ready and in practice just in case.

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 2,331]

19 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I've stated before that I'm in favor of single payer.

You mean for everyone, even those who engage in risky behaviors like being dark skinned?

[airdvr 200]

18 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

You mean for everyone, even those who engage in risky behaviors like being dark skinned?

Everyone.  It's the only way forward from the current mess.

[wmw999 2,154]

8 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Everyone.  It's the only way forward from the current mess.

Exactamundo. Going forward only happens from where we actually are, not from where we coulda-shoulda-woulda been had there been a magic fairy in charge.

Wendy P.

[riggerrob 561]

On 2/4/2022 at 12:47 PM, ndege said:

You might want to read up on the differences, unless those books were also burned. Stupidity can be excused, but willful ignorance less so, although recently it seems to be a plus with some people.

Apply Hanlon's Razor to determine if people are being willfully malicious or just stupid.

[kallend 1,651]

23 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

Apply Hanlon's Razor to determine if people are being willfully malicious or just stupid.

> 1.7 Million voted for Walker in the GA runoff election.  Willfully stupid, IMO.

[riggerrob 561]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:09 AM, kallend said:

> 1.7 Million voted for Walker in the GA runoff election.  Willfully stupid, IMO.

There is no hope, nor forgiveness, nor salvation for those who are willfully stupid.

[jakee 1,262]

On 12/7/2022 at 3:33 PM, airdvr said:

I've stated before that I'm in favor of single payer.

Out of curiosity, would you have said that in 2008?

[airdvr 200]

No.  I was not in favor of it then.

[wmw999 2,154]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

No.  I was not in favor of it then.

Tô me, the possibility of change is a positive attribute. Like every other human, I’m more in favor of some changes than others, but “set in one’s ways” isn’t a recommendation to me

Wendy P. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,068]

3 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Tô me, the possibility of change is a positive attribute. Like every other human, I’m more in favor of some changes than others, but “set in one’s ways” isn’t a recommendation to me

Wendy P. 

Hi Wendy,

I agree, somewhat.  For instance, I am pro-choice & I am 'set in' my way on that issue.

Jerry Baumchen

[Phil1111 918]

3 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Tô me, the possibility of change is a positive attribute. Like every other human, I’m more in favor of some changes than others, but “set in one’s ways” isn’t a recommendation to me

Wendy P. 

Well for some things its best to be set in your ways. Integrity, standing up to bullies and the rights of the vulnerable. When others waiver in the face of proper and righteous decisions. You must stand firm.

To your point, positive change is good. Open to new ideas that present positive solutions, also good.

Edited December 10, 2022 by Phil1111

[wmw999 2,154]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

To your point, positive change is good. Open to new ideas that present positive solutions, also good.

I agree — but different people have different ideas of what’s positive change…

Wendy P. 

[jakee 1,262]

On 12/10/2022 at 3:31 PM, airdvr said:

No.  I was not in favor of it then.

This is why Obama’s presidency was such a positive and important step for the nation.

[airdvr 200]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

This is why Obama’s presidency was such a positive and important step for the nation.

Absolutley.  It forced half of the change needed to insure there was no way forward but single payer.

BTW.  I have no doubt that the way we do single payer will be ripe with fraud and corruption.